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David Jaffe (creator of God of War) has a bone to pick with ResetEra.

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greenbird

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I the path you're traveling takes a turn down a road in which you're defending Milo of all people, it's time to get a new map because you're fucking lost. Used to play this dudes games back in the day, but goddamn if he didn't turn out to be a dumbass.
 

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This Jaffe guy is just an alt-right sympathizer. He doesn't agree with their ideals exactly but is sympathetic to them. It's garbage centrism that is killing this country.
 
Complicated

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Weird that saying terrible things and supporting or trying to give cover to terrible people would garner criticism and disgust from the internet. He may be a good person (I hope he is cause the world needs more every day it seems), and if he is he'll hopefully learn that being a good person in real life doesn't matter to the internet if you're toxic on the internet and rightfully so.
 

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Brawlz said:
That's the thing, they do. As long as I've been browsing this site, the entire notion of "Separating the artist and art" always comes up. Individuals getting lambasted over supporting the art, when the artist was a scumbag. Literally the same situation happening now.

I saw the title
Read through (Gather more info etc etc)
Saw the aforementioned comment
Made a quip considering I know how this site operates with its hive-mind approach and attacking individuals who support the "Art" of certain "Artists"
Had many individuals respond back with triggered responses (Including my joke over how Gaf is better with this style of posting even though I don't post there)

That is all. Nothing else to explain. This certainly has something to do with the topic at hand, while concurrently having something to do with the forum its being posted on.

If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides. Not just Jaffe, but here too. I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.

Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)

L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.

Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
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158 posts. Throwing around terms like "hive mind". Offended that people don't like it that they get upset with the fact that you're supporting a shitty human being's art and therefore strengthening their platform with the money that they make since you and people like you have ass backwards priorities in life. And of course, throwing around the term triggered like an insult instead of it's intended, serious use.

Like, ya'll aren't slick at all about this shit.
 
L Thammy

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Brawlz said:
I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.
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I'm just going to make a brief dip into Wikiquote and post some things that Milo has said. Tell me if his rhetoric leads to harm. I don't think these are the worst things he's said, and Morrigan already pointed out how directly went after a trans student, but it should give you an idea of who we're talking about.

It was perfectly consensual. When I was the 14, I was the predator
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Some of those relationships between younger boys and older men, the sort of coming of age relationships, the relationships in which those older men help those young boys to discover who they are, and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable and sort of a rock where they can't speak to their parents.
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In the course of my Dangerous Faggot tour, I've had my fair share of bans… but here's one I didn't see coming. I've been banned from San Francisco! Me, the gayest person on the planet. Banned. From San Francisco, the queerest city in America. Apparently I'm just too dangerous of a faggot, even for a city that pumps AZT directly into the water.
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Muslims are allowed to get away with almost anything. They can shut down and intimidate prominent ex-Muslims. They're allowed to engage in the most brazen anti-semitism, even as they run for office in European left-wing political parties. And, of course, politicians and the media routinely turn a blind eye to the kind of sexism and homophobia that would instantly end the career of a non-Muslim conservative — and perhaps get the latter arrested for hate speech when he dared to object.
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With a little effort, we can help fat people help themselves. But first we have to make sure that "fat acceptance", perhaps the most alarming and irresponsible idea to come out of leftist victimhood and grievancean politics, is given the heart attack it deserves.
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While we're here, since Jaffe is a video game developer, I'm just going remind you of how he thinks of the people who play video games as well.

It's easy to mock video gamers as dorky loners in yellowing underpants. Indeed, in previous columns, I've done it myself. Occasionally at length. But, the more you learn about the latest scandal in the games industry, the more you start to sympathise with the frustrated male stereotype. Because an army of sociopathic feminist programmers and campaigners, abetted by achingly politically correct American tech bloggers, are terrorising the entire community – lying, bullying and manipulating their way around the internet for profit and attention.
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Crossing Eden

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Brawlz said:
I've also read up on the Milo situation as well.
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He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone. *narrator's note, the aggressive stupidity presented here indicates that he hadn't read up on the Milo situation*
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hmmm


he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric. Personally, i'm not affected by anything he does so it's hella fucking easy for me to just tell people to ignore it.
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Thank you for your honesty. Thanks for telling people to JuSt IGnOre IT
 
DoubleTake

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Continuum said:
Getting banned isn't the main concern. Assholes get weeded out smoothly for the most part.

But it is how people respond to and jump on some posters that discourages them from engaging in future discussions. That continues on for a while, little by little, and the end result is an echo chamber where differing points of view immediately stick out and are met with unprompted hostility that, for some reason or another, is somehow tolerated.
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Tell me, on a site that's built on social inclusion and intolerance of views that could be harmful to minority groups, how do you expect the majority of users to react to someone stating an opinion that runs counter to such tenets.

Whenever a contentious topic comes up, how often do you see those whose POV differs from the majority able to effectively support their dissension? It happens very rarely. The rest of the time it is drive by inflammatory posts that get banned or ignored. And it's been that way since the site began. This isnt a developing echo chamber. We've always been this way, even back on GAF when the aforementioned tenets weren't as heavily enforced. Only now, when they are, does it suddenly become a problem. You should take a moment to wonder why that is.
 
Epcott

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Dmax3901 said:
When it comes to issues like racism, sexism, transphobia etc yes of course you're either for or against. Era is good in that it's not interested in hand waving any of that bullshit. It's wrong, and there's no argument to be made against the fact that it's wrong.
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I totally agree with that myself... some issues need to be dealt with, without the tolerance. Some opinions ARE toxic and don't need a grand overseer to dictate that it is because it's morally bankrupt to begin with.

But often times I see too many polarizing views on pretty much everything... and I mean the things like gaming difficulty, are you for or against lack of clothing on characters, are you an apologist for so and so AAA publisher/developer, or what games are acceptable to like.

And not to say such views aren't good for discussion. But like for instance, I may think a developer's views are garbage, and I'll choose not to buy a certain game myself... Then I'll see people dogpiled on or criticized for liking said game by that questionable person. Or others who take to attack someones social media feed because they feel it's their duty to take them down. Maybe it's not the black and white, red and blue division that gets me... I guess it's the lengths people go for their personal crusades that sometimes tip toe into malicious intent that I find questionable. That and the over saturation of lines for an escapists hobby.
 
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xxracerxx said:
Sorry if I missed it, but what are some of the different point of views that the right holds that should be discussed with civility around here? Guns and taxes? Because for the most part, those are discussed alright around here.
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You won't get an answer, but imagine stuff like "maybe gay conversion therapy is not that bad", or "maybe racism doesn't exist, or it's not that bad"? I can imagine how gamers might feel like disallowing such views is a FAR LEFT SJW SOCIALIST CENSORSHIP thing.
 
Chaos2Frozen

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L Thammy said:
I'm just going to make a brief dip into Wikiquote and post some things that Milo has said. Tell me if his rhetoric leads to harm. I don't think these are the worst things he's said, and Morrigan already pointed out how directly went after a trans student, but it should give you an idea of who we're talking about.







While we're here, since Jaffe is a video game developer, I'm just going remind you of how he thinks of the people who play video games as well.
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..."Dangerous Faggot tour" 0_o? That's what he called it?
 
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iliketopaint_93 said:
He's streaming right now. Link in case anyone is interested in hearing him react: https://www.twitch.tv/thejaffestream
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Crossing Eden

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Brawlz said:
imately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Just to reiterate, I am in no way shape or form ever targeted by people like Milo. I also have a startling lack of empathy, which is why it's so easy for me to just tell people to get over what they're going through when they're straight up harassed by people like Milo when he had a prominent platform to do so. NOTE, I will not read that link. Reading hard. I will not self reflect on this.
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Translated for transparency.
 
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L Thammy said:
Part of Milo's whole shtick is going I embody every awful gay stereotype, so every one of those stereotypes is true, and no one who believes it is a bigot for doing so. That's why it's called that.
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also, the "Let me be your gay friend that tells you why your shitty views are right, just give me money Tour" wouldn't fit on a t-shirt
 
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Nanashrew said:
Some just don't seem to understand that Nazis and white supremacists don't need to do anything to incite violence. Their very existence is violence and provoking because their belief is that other races, certain genders and sexuality should not exist at all. Their voices, their speeches, their chants, are all violence. Saying "they're fine as long as they don't commit acts of violence" is plain idiocy through and through.
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This should be stickied to the top of every page in this thread.
 
Watchtower

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A friendly reminder that when Milo did have the right to speak he used it to out a trans student to an anti-LGBT college crowd, and was about to do the same to a DACA recipient.

So yes, fuck off Jaffa Cake
 
M. Wallace

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He's obviously bored as fuck being unemployed so he's stirring up controversy to increase his viewer count on YT/Twitch. Don't fall for the stupid.
 
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Marcellus Wallace said:
He's obviously bored as fuck being unemployed so he's stirring up controversy to increase his viewer count on YT/Twitch. Don't fall for the stupid.
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the only twitch stream i'll every watch is Woolie playing Rez VR, but not knowing he accidentally muted his mic because he's playing Rez VR and can't read chat, so its just like 45 mins of Woolie talking and no one being able to hear him
 
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Got to love privileged ass people who think they are being centrists by feeling that they are appealing to equality for certain people/groups when in reality their so called neutral thinking holds no merits.
 
Wein Cruz

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Brawlz said:
Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)

L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.

Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
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How convenient
 
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Brawlz said:
That's the thing, they do. As long as I've been browsing this site, the entire notion of "Separating the artist and art" always comes up. Individuals getting lambasted over supporting the art, when the artist was a scumbag. Literally the same situation happening now.

I saw the title
Read through (Gather more info etc etc)
Saw the aforementioned comment
Made a quip considering I know how this site operates with its hive-mind approach and attacking individuals who support the "Art" of certain "Artists"
Had many individuals respond back with triggered responses (Including my joke over how Gaf is better with this style of posting even though I don't post there)

That is all. Nothing else to explain. This certainly has something to do with the topic at hand, while concurrently having something to do with the forum its being posted on.

If you want to know my honest opinion about this whole direct situation, I truly believe its hyperbolic, on both sides. Not just Jaffe, but here too. I've also read up on the Milo situation as well. He's a right asshole, but as long as his words aren't physically affecting someone, he's allowed his idiotic opinion, just like everyone here is. Just ignore his idiotic rhetoric, just like everyone here needs to ignore Jaffe's ramblings, like-wise for NEOGAF, who're currently stalking this thread as I type this, and that this forum likes to do time after time.

Ultimately, people need to calm down, relax and breathe and not get perpetually triggered over everything all the time. Anyway, I explained my point, if you don't like it, too bad, so sad (General statement, not directed to you L Thammy)

L Thammy, I would like to thank you again for not resorting to derogatory statements and rhetoric, that's quite rare these days.

Edit: I'm only responding back to L Thammy, I don't have time to respond back to multiple triggered individuals.
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Bigotry does cause massive harm in society. Words matter. Words have effect.

For someone acting all high and mighty, you sure don't seem to understand fuck all about anything.
 
Buckley

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Weltall Zero said:
Perhaps he's immune to bans as well? I suspect we're about to find out.



Because otherwise how could they inform everyone else that they're enlightened enough to separate them?
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There were a ton of early posts saying his games were shit. I'm not siding with any of these posters but that's kind of ridiculous when you'll find the twisted metal and goW games on a ton of best psx games of all time lists. As far as Jaffe is concerned, i think he is misguided and uninformed about Milo . No one has aright to use twitter and promote hate or other shitty things. Milo is such a bad choice for him to back in his argument and i'm not sure he thought it out to well.
 
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Blackpanther25 said:
That is what happens when that racist talk doesn't affect them.

Edit: yeah Jaffe, I'm talking about you. If people joked about hanging your family then it wouldn't be okay anymore.
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I mean, it does affect them though. You have to exist with people, maybe you like them, and there is a good chance they are feeling discomfort or fear because of these societal problems, so not doing anything about that is a special type of 'fuck you', especially if you don't live in some 99% white rural town. It's like, empathy completely disappeared.
 
L Thammy

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Buckley said:
There were a ton of early posts saying his games were shit. I'm not siding with any of these posters but that's kind of ridiculous when you'll find the twisted metal and goW games on a ton of best psx games of all time lists. As far as Jaffe is concerned, i think he is misguided and uninformed about Milo . No one has aright to use twitter and promote hate or other shitty things. Milo is such a bad choice for him to back in his argument and i'm not sure he thought it out to well.
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It seems like he's misguided and uninformed about an awful lot of things.
 
Timppis

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Now I feel bad for saying bad thing in the previous thread.

It should have been lot worse. And no, Jaffe is no even in my personal top 100 of assholes. He's a minor player, who just happens to be massive douche.
 
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