Once again since some people think we're "Being too Mean" This is the man you're defending.
Jaffe's "views" here are absolutely twisted. What's his problem exactly?
Once again since some people think we're "Being too Mean" This is the man you're defending.
Jaffe's "views" here are absolutely twisted. What's his problem exactly?
That's always the thing isn't it. People like Jaffe who bravely fight for the rights of scum like Milo Y. are enamored and affected by his false victimhood while the actual targets of his harassment, the people who have to suffer the brunt of Milo's bigoted rhetoric are expected to just tolerate it. In fact we're seen as the villains for making Milo pay the price for trying to classify black people and trans people as inhuman. If people like Jaffe fought this hard for actual marginalized groups, bigotry would be curtailed a lot more efficiently. Except as another poster mentioned before, they stem progress or outright reverse it by claiming that these tired worn out "opinions" about black inhumanity and xenophobic fearmongering deserve to be listened to or people will somehow get dumber.Than god for people like David Jaffe, who will always be there to fiercely defend others' right to tell me and my family that we are innately inferior and must be purged from the country.
He mistakenly believes that there's no such thing as inherently violent rhetoric. To him, talk about literally culling the population to establish white supremacy is functionally harmless and doesn't produce people who put the words into action.Jaffe's "views" here are absolutely twisted. What's his problem exactly?
Cool comparison. The Singapore government has provided infrastructure for fantastic public transportation, public healthcare, public education, while also offering tons of choices for private transportation, private healthcare, and private education for those who can afford them. The standard of living is pretty good, the food is amazing, and we have a multi-racial and multi-religious country that doesn't implode everytime someone tries to start shit. What has American values of free speech gotten the USA? Slavery, racial discrimination, a divided nation, and a paralyzed government system where no one can make any real meaningful changes to declining quality of life for millions of Americans. FUCK YEAH USA! Right? :)Resetera is very much governed like Singapore. I think this is very much a clash with the American values of free speech. I have no problem with how a person or community govern themselves, but it's totally disappointing when we judge someone and treat them as a bad person with just one comment of their entire live.
yeah but I can't spit in public so what's the pointCool comparison. The Singapore government has provided infrastructure for fantastic public transportation, public healthcare, public education, while also offering tons of choices for private transportation, private healthcare, and private education for those who can afford them. The standard of living is pretty good, the food is amazing, and we have a multi-racial and multi-religious country that doesn't implode everytime someone tries to start shit. What has American values of free speech gotten the USA? Slavery, racial discrimination, a divided nation, and a paralyzed government system where no one can make any real meaningful changes to declining quality of life for millions of Americans. FUCK YEAH USA! Right? :)
Once again since some people think we're "Being too Mean" This is the man you're defending.
Fucking dumb + white privlageHow fucking dumb do you have to be to see bigots rallying for a white ethnostate and think that they won't act on it? How does one force America into an ethnostate nonviolently?
To a white man like Jaffe, talk of a white ethnostate is just that; "harmless talk". He's not in the crosshairs so he doesn't have to consider how it can come about non-violently. Jaffe is worse than just ignorant though because he chastises those people who know what the rhetoric means, see how it has actually affected people (like again after Charlottesville or the synagogue shooting I don't know how people like Jaffe remain this fucking oblivious) and its ultimate goals. Sure it's "gross" to him but its a sanitized, nebulous disgust. It's disgusting because it just sounds like bigoted talk but doesn't take into account that bigoted talk ends up with victims and real human bodies who have to suffer when that talk takes hold.How fucking dumb do you have to be to see bigots rallying for a white ethnostate and think that they won't act on it? How does one force America into an ethnostate nonviolently?
Gotta love how an apparently 'irrelevant' David Jaffe gets multiple 20+ threads just for sharing an opinion.
You'll learn one day, Era.
Leave it to Era to think they know better than an industry vet *eyeroll*
On a whim I was googling Jaffe over something, and one of the tweets that showed up in Google is him being outraged that not wanting to sleep with a trans woman is transphobia.
I don't particularly care about Jaffe. What pisses me off enough to comment in topics like these and others to confront Jaffe is that he's a symptom of a bigger problem where "centrists" think there's a civil middle ground in the battle for peoples actual lives and existences. Jaffe is just one person but even on ResetEra proper and beyond there are people who think like him who need to know that standing idly by to tut tut the people trying to quell bigoted rhetoric that leads to bigoted action isn't something to be tolerated in the modern day just because it hides behind being a fair intellectual.honest and real question: why are people caring that much about the opinion a failing game developper ?
I initially thought he was still working on the God of War IP at sony and was like "oh wow thats a big scandal" but actually sony took the ip from his hands and now he just makes games that no one plays like drawn to death
Nobody is exaggerating anything. It's used within alt-right circles to disqualify the opinions, feelings and actions of individuals invested in social justice. It's one more tool of marginalization:So "NPC" now is a dark meme? I'm with Jaffe with that, I didn't know anything like that, for me NPC is Non Player Character in a videogame and that's it and it always be... wow, we are really exaggerating with this s*it.
So "NPC" now is a dark meme? I'm with Jaffe with that, I didn't know anything like that, for me NPC is Non Player Character in a videogame and that's it and it always be... wow, we are really exaggerating with this s*it.
Only watched the first 2 minutes of that don't have the time but I agree with how knee jerk people were in that other thread about him. Just because he doesn't share your view doesn't automatically make him a bad person.
This was my problem with the reaction. Jaffe is really liberal and he said one stupid thing (and unfortunately is trying to defend his stance) and it triggered ResetEra. But that's the world we live in these days unfortunately.
that's actually his most recent tweet
really putting his best foot forward into the marketplace of ideas
So "NPC" now is a dark meme? I'm with Jaffe with that, I didn't know anything like that, for me NPC is Non Player Character in a videogame and that's it and it always be... wow, we are really exaggerating with this s*it.
Lmao. How does Jaffe think a white ethnostate could be established nonviolently exactly?
Like is his ego so large that with what amounts to moderate criticism and a lot of attention from ResetEra he's willing to die on stupid fucking hills like this? Jesus between this and CDPR 2018 has been a disappointing year for developers I respected.
It's not about sharing views, it's about having extremely dumb and harmful views like "Not giving an insane hate monger a platform is what's wrong with America".
Honestly, he deserves to be called out for saying horrible shit like that.
"He said one stupid thing" - so he deserves to be called out for it, no?
Not sure why people should turn a blind eye to a prominent industry figure spouting harmful provocations.
And you know what else? He could have - apologized. Wow.
Instead it's suddenly everyone elses fault for telling him what they think of his statement. THAT'S the world we're living in unfortunately.
Yes, it's an alt-right meme to describe the left. If you're getting mad at leftist Era posters for acknowledging the existence of this meme, you're either getting mad at the wrong side or making a bad faith drive by post.So "NPC" now is a dark meme? I'm with Jaffe with that, I didn't know anything like that, for me NPC is Non Player Character in a videogame and that's it and it always be... wow, we are really exaggerating with this s*it.
I think it takes 3 seconds looking at ERA for anyone who was around when GAF was an hot darling of the industry to understand the trust is gone. I don't think the industry at large dislikes ERA, at least not as much as ERA seems to dislike the industry itself, but it definitely doesn't want to get involved with it as a community as it did during the peak days of GAF.
And honestly, can you blame them? For better or worse, be it videogames or Etcetera, every single day is a long parade of "In today's episode of All Corporations and Industries Suck and the People Working in Them Are Monsters™, here's 5 more blog posts from 2007 by people you should start to petition against".
I still believe ERA has its heart in the right place, and I'll still take making the community safe and welcoming to everyone over making it more popular with "celebrities", but I feel like the discussion has not-so-slowly devolved into the kind of exausting, never ending purity testing that ultimately leads communities like this to collapse or isolate themselves from everything else.
Well. I made this new account because I really like the site. I've got banned once by my political view being different of the main of the site. I've got banned for "facism" that really get me sad. Because I don't harm no one and not disrespect anyone. I promised myself that never was going to discut sensitive matters here. Because I can get banned just for saying my opinion. Not blaming anyone or not. Just stating a True event and how a ifelt. I really love to talk about games and industry. And this site has awesome members on it. I agree with a lot Jaffe said. And desagree with some. I really want era to grow on a healthy way. I've been here since from day 1. I putting myself only on the games threads here because it is what make me love this place.there much to grow here on Era on my opinion, be more open minded on diferents ways of views and such. And I want it to grow because it's an awesome site. I would love to see Jaffe having an account and discuting here on a respectful and healthy way. It would be great
This.It's not about sharing views, it's about having extremely dumb and harmful views like "Not giving an insane hate monger a platform is what's wrong with America".
Honestly, he deserves to be called out for saying horrible shit like that.
"He said one stupid thing" - so he deserves to be called out for it, no?
Not sure why people should turn a blind eye to a prominent industry figure spouting harmful provocations.
And you know what else? He could have - apologized. Wow.
Instead it's suddenly everyone elses fault for telling him what they think of his statement. THAT'S the world we're living in unfortunately.
When talking about video games he isn't relevant anymore.Gotta love how an apparently 'irrelevant' David Jaffe gets multiple 20+ threads just for sharing an opinion.
You'll learn one day, Era.
I can only imagine the blowback if a public figure denounced Nazis
So "NPC" now is a dark meme? I'm with Jaffe with that, I didn't know anything like that, for me NPC is Non Player Character in a videogame and that's it and it always be... wow, we are really exaggerating with this s*it.
Not true m8
everyone i know in the industry migrated over to GAF when everyone else did.
Jaffe did get banned from GAF remember....
I feel like his views in the video are very reasonable and he seems honest about all of it, but I haven't been following any of the outrage that triggered it.
However, I'm reading a couple responses in this thread. Can I really not call actual video game characters "NPC's" anymore without being frowned upon? I've been saying that word for like two decades. (well I barely ever used the word, but still) So it's come to this that they adopt a word in a bad way and I can't use it in the way I've always used it and meaning what it actually always meant (and still does to me)? Sorry, but that's crazy.
Nobody is exaggerating anything. It's used within alt-right circles to disqualify the opinions, feelings and actions of individuals invested in social justice. It's one more tool of marginalization:
If Jaffe were more in touch with why people have an issue with the alt-right in the first place, people wouldn't accuse him of co-opting their language
where the hell are y'all getting thisHowever, I'm reading a couple responses in this thread. Can I really not call actual video game characters "NPC's" anymore without being frowned upon? I've been saying that word for like two decades. (well I barely ever used the word, but still) So it's come to this that they adopt a word in a bad way and I can't use it in the way I've always used it and meaning what it actually always meant (and still does to me)? Sorry, but that's crazy.
I feel like his views in the video are very reasonable and he seems honest about all of it, but I haven't been following any of the outrage that triggered it.
However, I'm reading a couple responses in this thread. Can I really not call actual video game characters "NPC's" anymore without being frowned upon? I've been saying that word for like two decades. (well I barely ever used the word, but still) So it's come to this that they adopt a word in a bad way and I can't use it in the way I've always used it and meaning what it actually always meant (and still does to me)? Sorry, but that's crazy.
Guys, come on..However, I'm reading a couple responses in this thread. Can I really not call actual video game characters "NPC's" anymore without being frowned upon? I've been saying that word for like two decades. (well I barely ever used the word, but still) So it's come to this that they adopt a word in a bad way and I can't use it in the way I've always used it and meaning what it actually always meant (and still does to me)? Sorry, but that's crazy.
As it turns out, David Jaffe chose a pretty stupid hill to die on.'you cant say something someody disagrees with without being treated like a moron?'
you know, i like resetera but that statement is so accurate its not even funny.
'you cant say something someody disagrees with without being treated like a moron?'
you know, i like resetera but that statement is so accurate its not even funny.
Well, from the responses to SixelAlexiS 's post, where he/she talks about it in a video game context and where people tell him / her (and now also me) to educate myself.where the hell are y'all getting this
the 'NPC' alt right meme is a very specific meme
no one is gatekeeping what you call them in game
So I'm currently talking to him on Twitter about this. I don't think this guy is very bright...
How does he think other countries have come to ban hate speech? Does he honestly think their citizens didn't do what we're doing now?
So I'm currently talking to him on Twitter about this. I don't think this guy is very bright...
How does he think other countries came to ban hate speech? Does he honestly think their citizens didn't do what we're doing now?
Only reason I came in this thread was because it was still active. To see what's up. Guys it's Jaffee, who cares?
I don't particularly care about Jaffe. What pisses me off enough to comment in topics like these and others to confront Jaffe is that he's a symptom of a bigger problem where "centrists" think there's a civil middle ground in the battle for peoples actual lives and existences. Jaffe is just one person but even on ResetEra proper and beyond there are people who think like him who need to know that standing idly by to tut tut the people trying to quell bigoted rhetoric that leads to bigoted action isn't something to be tolerated in the modern day just because it hides behind being a fair intellectual.