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Days Gone |OT| A Deacon of Hope

Oct 25, 2017
9,928
10 year old level and somehow still over your head. Nobody said it was pulitzer (spelled correctly for your reference) quality, but compared to the narrative of many games out there today, it requires more from the player than watching a movie scene and having everything spelled out for you. This is a game made for the long haul, and if you don't want to hang around to let it play out, then that's your choice. You don't get everything spoon fed to you, and many plot points take a very long time to resolve, but in my opinion it added to the payoff.
You’re not getting it. I don’t think it’s bad because these junior themes are going over my head, I get it, angry bike man is angry at the world, learns to not to as angry. That’s bog standard character development. You’re the one using it as an example of the writing being top class. When I’m reality, it comes across like an angsty teens English assignment.
 
Oct 27, 2017
8,398
This game has one of the most authentic portrayals of adults in adult social situations I've seen in games.

I had the corrupt-save-power-down thing last night. Was able to fully recover and save over the corrupted save successfully, but yeah that sucked.
 
Oct 25, 2017
795
Longview
If someone is already 25 hours into the game and the story hasn’t “gripped” the yet, than it’s a reflection of poor narrative/story direction for the game. You shouldn’t have to focus on “subtle” one off lines or analyze facial expressions to satisfy your hunger for a gripping storyline. That’s just plain poor writing

Those things you mentioned should be compliments to over arching storyline, to where you’re already clinging to things and these little tidbits further enhance the story more - not the opposite.

I haven’t played this game but there is a very clear divide on the story of this game and how long it takes until “it picks up” - to me that’s just poor game direction. 25 hours is a sufficient amount of time to come to a conclusion about whether you think the game is actually good or not
You know, I think it is fair to say "the story gets good" that far in. We do it with TV shows all the time.

Yeah, the first 1-2 seasons suck, but then it's great! <- That's considered Normal.

And you're not actually getting 25 hours of Story in those first 25 hours, to be fair. That far in in this game really isn't that much story. And yes, it greatly picks up and gets better and I think it's okay that it does. Not every good story starts bang out of the great strong whether it's a book or a movie or TV show and many truly do get better and better.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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You’re not getting it. I don’t think it’s bad because these junior themes are going over my head, I get it, angry bike man is angry at the world, learns to not to as angry. That’s bog standard character development. You’re the one using it as an example of the writing being top class. When I’m reality, it comes across like an angsty teens English assignment.
The game is much bigger than Deacon. If you continue with the game you'll see that one of the takeaways is that not everything revolves around Deacon and the world is much bigger than his problems. Again, nobody said this was masterclass writing, but it's far from shit. Finish the game and form an opinion, or drop it before it properly develops. It's up to you if it's worth your time. I'd never want someone to play a game they're not enjoying.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,822
The story and characters are absolutely top notch but I absolutely see many people dropping the game early because of the slow start. They could have cut a bit from the beginning and it would have helped a lot imo. I urge people to just push through as it gets 1000x better once you reach the third camp. It's like someone flips a switch.
this. i think the third camp should have been the second camp. the first two camps are pretty terrible.

i love the character interactions in the third camp even for characters that you are supposed to hate. its great writing. the only problem i have with it is that its super inconsistent ('ride me like your bike' lol) and the voice acting on the bike is trash.

otherwise, the story is better than 90% of the games out there. just comparing it to games released this year, are we seriously saying that DMC, RE2, Anthem, Metro and Seikiro have a better story?

It's no RDR2 or even God of War, but it has plenty of great moments.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,298
this. i think the third camp should have been the second camp. the first two camps are pretty terrible.

i love the character interactions in the third camp even for characters that you are supposed to hate. its great writing. the only problem i have with it is that its super inconsistent ('ride me like your bike' lol) and the voice acting on the bike is trash.

otherwise, the story is better than 90% of the games out there. just comparing it to games released this year, are we seriously saying that DMC, RE2, Anthem, Metro and Seikiro have a better story?

It's no RDR2 or even God of War, but it has plenty of great moments.
Honestly, Tucker and that first Truther camp could have been a single area with opposing struggles instead of making it 2 unique camps.

The first stretch of the game (until you get to Lost Lake) is very generic and I can understand how people will get put off by it.
 
Oct 26, 2017
2,926
this. i think the third camp should have been the second camp. the first two camps are pretty terrible.

i love the character interactions in the third camp even for characters that you are supposed to hate. its great writing. the only problem i have with it is that its super inconsistent ('ride me like your bike' lol) and the voice acting on the bike is trash.

otherwise, the story is better than 90% of the games out there. just comparing it to games released this year, are we seriously saying that DMC, RE2, Anthem, Metro and Seikiro have a better story?

It's no RDR2 or even God of War, but it has plenty of great moments.
This. That's all I've been saying.
 
Nov 10, 2017
2,013
You really have to pay attention to the things Deacon says to a lot of other characters in the beginning to how he is by the end of the game. He gives a shit about people now. He kind of always had a morale code specific to the MC and his brothers, but other people especially IRON MIKE, Rikki, the guy from Diamond lake show him that those days are gone and these people living in this world are the people you need to start caring about not just the ones you use to ride with.
why does this remind me of the plot of a sesame street episode? :) ...
 
Oct 25, 2017
158
This. That's all I've been saying.
yeah the first 2 camps are set up to get you used to the games world and systems, but all of that could have been condensed into 1 camp with 3-4 hours probably chopped to keep the player more engaged with the story once you get to the areas where the story really picks up. This would have also likely led to you having more trust and good upgrades faster and feeling a bit more powerful to deal with the world. I think for me the first 2 camps only took me about 12 hours, maybe 15 at most, so the slog wasn't as bad as for those who are taking 25 hours until they leave those areas.
 
Dec 5, 2017
1,872
I personally don’t really even buy the slavery work camp thing. I’m no farmer but I doubt working a farm requires as much work as the game seems to suggest considering there’s not fields and fields of things growing. It was a narrative the game tried to create of these slavery camps but I’m like how much Fucking work is there to really do? You rake the ground, you sow seeds and you wait. I mean there’s so few people in those camps anyhow. It was sorta weird
They aren’t working just a farm they are trying to create trenches and wells and an irrigation system from what I understand. Also note that the camp is run by an old prison warden. So her context for hierarchy and pecking order is from the perspective of a prison.

So yeah she’s a real bastard, but it makes sense in the context of who she is and what she came from.
 
Nov 10, 2017
2,013
I personally don’t really even buy the slavery work camp thing. I’m no farmer but I doubt working a farm requires as much work as the game seems to suggest considering there’s not fields and fields of things growing. It was a narrative the game tried to create of these slavery camps but I’m like how much Fucking work is there to really do? You rake the ground, you sow seeds and you wait. I mean there’s so few people in those camps anyhow. It was sorta weird
what was weirder was eventually checking out iron mike's farm, &
seeing skizzo running it in pretty much exactly the same way :) ...
 
Oct 27, 2017
650
You know, I think it is fair to say "the story gets good" that far in. We do it with TV shows all the time.

Yeah, the first 1-2 seasons suck, but then it's great! <- That's considered Normal.

And you're not actually getting 25 hours of Story in those first 25 hours, to be fair. That far in in this game really isn't that much story. And yes, it greatly picks up and gets better and I think it's okay that it does. Not every good story starts bang out of the great strong whether it's a book or a movie or TV show and many truly do get better and better.
Big difference is I’m not shelling out $60 to watch/power thru the first 2 seasons of a TV series to get to the “good seasons”

And I agree with your last point but what it sounds like to me is poor game direction - they should have cut parts of the game instead of keeping it bloated. Specifically in the early parts of the game
 
Oct 27, 2017
880
Haarlem
I just finished the game. I also got the platinum and some message from Sony saying that I will receive my pre-order items just 20 minutes before finishing the game.... anyway. I loved every bit although the story was a bit toooo long, but everything paid off in the end. Everything has an explanation and thats what I like.
So I know that Brian had his team, but did they go rogue on NERO and how did he or the group got infected or did something else happen? Is everybody at Nero like him did I miss some stuff?
 

Chronospherics

Games User Researcher at Player Research
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
1,802
Brighton
I'm only about 5 hours in so far but I really love it.

Bugs are the only thing that get in the way of the experience. It feels like I can't go 10 minutes without seeing something weird.

I was in some infested zone last night and there was a drifter being attacked by freakers. Except she wasn't animated, and wasn't able to move. I killed the freakers and tried to see if she would react but she was frozen in time. I performed an assassination animation on her, but she was still frozen.

In the end I just left her there. She would bleed when I shot her, but never die or move.

5 minutes later in the same area, I'm running away from a larger group of freakers, around 10 of them. I jump off a ledge and they try to follow. Except, instead of following, they're running in the air.

Stuff like that harms my experience fo the game. It's easy to get used to, and just move on, but it's hard to stay immersed when stuff like that is happening all of the time. It feels like one of the games I see in my office, 3-6 months prior to release.
 
Oct 27, 2017
880
Haarlem
I'm only about 5 hours in so far but I really love it.

Bugs are the only thing that get in the way of the experience. It feels like I can't go 10 minutes without seeing something weird.

I was in some infested zone last night and there was a drifter being attacked by freakers. Except she wasn't animated, and wasn't able to move. I killed the freakers and tried to see if she would react but she was frozen in time. I performed an assassination animation on her, but she was still frozen.

In the end I just left her there. She would bleed when I shot her, but never die or move.

5 minutes later in the same area, I'm running away from a larger group of freakers, around 10 of them. I jump off a ledge and they try to follow. Except, instead of following, they're running in the air.

Stuff like that harms my experience fo the game. It's easy to get used to, and just move on, but it's hard to stay immersed when stuff like that is happening all of the time. It feels like one of the games I see in my office, 3-6 months prior to release.
Did you download the latest patch? I didn't have those problems at all. Only a few after being over 20 hours in the game. And at 60% into the game the framerate was unbearable on my PS4Pro.
 
Tucker's camp
from the mission anecdotes, the ambiant dialogue in the camp, etc shows that that she's pretty abusive to those who stay in the camp, working them very very hard and has very spartan punishment if you don't do your work, A lot of people attempt to run away from there.

Iron Mike's camp
also expects people who stay there to work, but in principal, they also try to be accommodating of people who can't pull their weight and try to divert them to do other things to help out if they can't do other task well.
 
Jan 2, 2018
784
Hmm, I've had two hard crashes recently where it crashes in the middle of a manual save. :/ Both times it actually corrupted the save data, but thankfully I keep multiple saves and don't lose much progress with all the autosaves. I need to force boot the PS4 with the power on button on the console itself, and then it checks the HDD and gives a crash report for CE-36329-3.

Is this a known problem or should I be wary of my Pro giving up?
Yes, it's rare but performing manual save can trigger a hard crash. I would avoid it until there's been a patch addressing the issue. Happened to me once near the end of the story after consistently manual saving throughout the game. Quicksave at the bike has been working fine. I've only risked a few manual saves since then to save some hordes I might want to rerun.
 
Oct 31, 2017
1,744
You’re not getting it. I don’t think it’s bad because these junior themes are going over my head, I get it, angry bike man is angry at the world, learns to not to as angry. That’s bog standard character development. You’re the one using it as an example of the writing being top class. When I’m reality, it comes across like an angsty teens English assignment.
Not sure how far you are into the game but if that is the only thing you are taking away from the story then I really don't know what to say. There are so many threads being sewn throughout the story the more you play. I feel like it does characters better than most open world games. Everyone has a purpose and I understand their motivations, and most of them are somehow interconnected into the broad story until the very end.
 
Feb 2, 2018
2,180
Denmark
I'm only about 5 hours in so far but I really love it.

Bugs are the only thing that get in the way of the experience. It feels like I can't go 10 minutes without seeing something weird.
It's really weird reading about people getting lots of bugs. I've put a ton of time into the game and explored most of the map (I'm in the late game, dunno how much is left). I've seen one biker stuck in a tree as a still, non-interactive object and I've seen two floating items inside a house. That's it in terms of bugs. Then of course there's some frame rate issues when riding fast on the bike in the late game, but other than that my experience has been pretty much bug free.
 

Chronospherics

Games User Researcher at Player Research
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
1,802
Brighton
It's really weird reading about people getting lots of bugs. I've put a ton of time into the game and explored most of the map (I'm in the late game, dunno how much is left). I've seen one biker stuck in a tree as a still, non-interactive object and I've seen two floating items inside a house. That's it in terms of bugs. Then of course there's some frame rate issues when riding fast on the bike in the late game, but other than that my experience has been pretty much bug free.
Feels like every time I go to camp someone walks through the floor and glitches about like they're rogue from x-men.

Did you download the latest patch? I didn't have those problems at all. Only a few after being over 20 hours in the game. And at 60% into the game the framerate was unbearable on my PS4Pro.
Yeah I do have the latest patch. I wish fixing the issues were that simple.
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,928
Not sure how far you are into the game but if that is the only thing you are taking away from the story then I really don't know what to say. There are so many threads being sewn throughout the story the more you play. I feel like it does characters better than most open world games. Everyone has a purpose and I understand their motivations, and most of them are somehow interconnected into the broad story until the very end.
I played for 25 hours. It was shite. I’m not playing any more.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I can't imagine spending 25 hours with something I didn't enjoy, honestly.

If you don't like it a game in the first 5 hours, you're only going to like it even less, forcing yourself to play something you don't like for another 20 hours.
Because I would like to be able to say I gave it a fair shake before any critiques. Lots say it’s a slow start. Get to camp 3. Blah blah. But yeah, top to bottom the game is dull imo.
 

Chronospherics

Games User Researcher at Player Research
Verified
Oct 28, 2017
1,802
Brighton
Because I would like to be able to say I gave it a fair shake before any critiques. Lots say it’s a slow start. Get to camp 3. Blah blah. But yeah, top to bottom the game is dull imo.
I can't imagine the people saying it gets better at camp 3 truly hated it when they started.

I'm only just at camp 3, but I liked camp 1 and 2 also. I like Deacon, Boozer and Sarah, I think that helps a lot. If you don't like, or relate to the characters, perhaps that makes the narrative much less appreciable.
 
Oct 28, 2017
1,277
Finished all the hordes. The burnout apocalypse trophy is infuriating.
Way I did it was to do donuts by offering a slight angle turn and holding the button to let the back end go out, then the trophy popped after adding in nitro. not straight away though, actually at the 2nd attempt - my angle was crap the first time and I hit a tree. Before I attempted it I put the worst tyres on as suggested by someone in this thread.
 
Oct 27, 2017
9,207
It's really weird reading about people getting lots of bugs. I've put a ton of time into the game and explored most of the map (I'm in the late game, dunno how much is left). I've seen one biker stuck in a tree as a still, non-interactive object and I've seen two floating items inside a house. That's it in terms of bugs. Then of course there's some frame rate issues when riding fast on the bike in the late game, but other than that my experience has been pretty much bug free.
Thats is just the way it is with open world I only encounter a few bugs in all my hours of playing.
 
Apr 7, 2019
172
this. i think the third camp should have been the second camp. the first two camps are pretty terrible.

i love the character interactions in the third camp even for characters that you are supposed to hate. its great writing. the only problem i have with it is that its super inconsistent ('ride me like your bike' lol) and the voice acting on the bike is trash.

otherwise, the story is better than 90% of the games out there. just comparing it to games released this year, are we seriously saying that DMC, RE2, Anthem, Metro and Seikiro have a better story?

It's no RDR2 or even God of War, but it has plenty of great moments.
I feel tuckers camp should have been cut copeland at least is present throughout the game
 
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Apr 7, 2019
172
Had such a cool moment. It was night, was trying to figure out how to get on this cliff. Hear some freakers and thought they were after me. Then noticed it was a small group in fact running after a wolf, not me. Took me by surprise. But yeh then one of m spotted me, and hell broke loose. So so good and intense.

Not sure how I feel about fuel. Dont mind it yet, but can see it getting annoying later on. Right now, it makes you explore the world in a natural manner. So props.



I only attempted it once, but ran out of stamina pretty quick. Just got to the second camp.
Use the terrain to your advantage climb and run over objects, down hills etc. slows them down and lets you lose them if you need a breather for a second

Finished the game last night (credits, not the secret ending) and it's my GOTY so far.

Well done Sony Bend! Now get me my sequel asap
Get that secret ending its worth it sort of reshapes the whole game imo
 
Just beat the game. I’m pretty close to a platinum. Just need to get one camp to trust 3 so I can get the trophy from nitro 3. I liked the game but I can see the low scores. Aside from the horde mechanic, everything it tries to do is pretty mediocre.

There’s a good story there but it goes on for 10-15 hours to long. The story picks up at camp 3 but that like 8 hours into the game. Then after camp 3 the story gets bad again in the next region as your stuck doing fetch quest for everyone until the endgame starts and the story picks up again.

I didn’t get to much bugs but we’re already on patch 1.07. So they were there. Bend even somehow broke the game more with patch 1.06. Luckily they took it down before I installed it. It seems to be selling well so I wouldn’t mind a sequel on next gen hardware. In the sequel they should introduce smaller hordes earlier in the main story instead of saving them for endgame. I’m at the post and you’re post game is literally horde farming.

I would give it a 7.5.