I don't know what you're talking about. Clearly says 1938! *whistle*
this "basest concept" perception is absolutely a product of seeing characters through the lens of the stories that authors have most frequently chosen in the past to tell with them. why is a superpowered African king of a sci-fi utopia intrinsically "about Africa and black people" and a superpowered alien from space who came to America as a baby and grew up to stand for truth, justice, and the American way not intrinsically "about immigrants"?
the tweet in the OP is calling this out as blinkered thinking
Is mcu captain America that far off?Now there's a crappy and cynical take.
I always found Superman makes the biggest impression when he's saving lives, not trading blows. Picture a young Christopher Reeve giving a little girl a humble nod and smile after rescuing her kitten from a tree before flying off. That's what Superman always was to me - strength in kindness. We can't be Superman but we could all be what he represents. All it needs is Lex to fuck with that a bit.
I'd imagine that's a hard sell for today's movie goers though.
by your standard, is the Black Panther character Black in name only? how is he representative beyond the color of his skin and the continent of his birth? he didn't grow up facing discrimination or traumas based in racism, he's a super-privileged cishet male superhero/monarch - but that would be a very weird justification for not engaging with Black issues in a story with Black Panther. part of why the character is appealing is because of the power fantasy where he's a Black African who doesn't have to deal with any racist bullshit, or alternatively can knock it firmly on its ass when it appearsI don't think that's true, or at best it's true in a backwards way. Black panther stories feature a black people and Africa because at that's what the character is, Black panther is A black, African king of a country that avoided colonialism, that is intrinsically about black people and Africa. I don't think that's a choice, in the same that I don't think it's a choice for James bond stories to feature a person from the UK who's a spy. I don't think it's a choice for Black Panther to not be about a white Norwegian king. There are core parts of these stories which have to be present, generally at all times for it to even be a story about those characters. Superman being an immigrant isn't that, to be honest Superman is an immigrant in name only. Like I've pointed out, in no substantive way is he representative of immigrants and in no substantive way does his presence relate to them. This is not the case with black panther and black people.
Oh hell could you imagine a film adaptation of Grounded? I'm almost thankful we got Snyder Superman now.
"I'd like to delve more into the aspect of Superman [that] we traditionally know, coupled with where we left him with Man of Steel," Cavill explained. "It's the hero who is trying to exist in a world where people may say he's not relevant anymore -- where, actually, he's extraordinarily relevant and it's him coming to terms with that and becoming that relevance and showing people that hope does exist without it being too chocolate box."
The leading man added: "I wanted to still have an edge but to have some warmth to it and to have some hope to it."
FFS, look at the DCAU. Just make him Superman. No deconstruction or whatnot like Snyder. Make him like this:
i mean, why even do it if it's not Wally.
by your standard, is the Black Panther character Black in name only? how is he representative beyond the color of his skin and the continent of his birth? he didn't grow up facing discrimination or traumas based in racism, he's a super-privileged cishet male superhero/monarch - but that would be a very weird justification for not engaging with Black issues in a story with Black Panther. part of why the character is appealing is because of the power fantasy where he's a Black African who doesn't have to deal with any racist bullshit, or alternatively can knock it firmly on its ass when it appears
Superman is an immigrant. it is the core of his origin story. if he doesn't seem like an immigrant to you, that's because writers have historically not been interested in telling stories that engage with the immigrant experience. that should probably change.
Not exactly it's an alien family refugees who were hiding in a suburbs and brought with themselves tons of gold because they're aliens for whom gold is plentifulJoking aside, I usually love the work of JMS (especially Babylon 5) but Grounded was awful. There was a bit where Superman even seems to make a snide 'why don't you pull yourselves up by your bootstraps and help yourselves' type comment to a family of extraterrestrial "immigrants" he encounters while he's taking his walk if I remember correctly. Like, yikes.
Not exactly it's an alien family refugees who were hiding in a suburbs and brought with themselves tons of gold because they're aliens for whom gold is plentiful
Superman got mad at them for just being surviving refugees and not contributing and then forced them to use their medical technology to heal people in order to contribute
I don't get the metaphor either
You're correct up to a point, but then you need to just take lessons from MCU Spidey. His last couple of films were pretty bad too, so what did Feige do? He made sure Peter wasn't fighting Green Goblin or Doc Ock again. Snyder did a good job with Zod and a terrible job with Lex. Put BOTH of those guys on the shelf. Use Metallo, Brainiac, or Manchester Black. Pull a Ragnarok and have Superman be abducted by Mongul to fight in Warworld gladiator matches. Do something other than the two villains he's fought over and over and that will get people interested right there because at least it's something new.Even if they turned in a Superman film with Dark Knight quality or Guardians of the Galaxy fun appeal I don't see it reaching the same box office heights as his contemporaries.
The problem is that he's too familiar and it leaves very little for audiences to get curious enough to go see.
This is why Reeves should use villains like Calendar Man and Condiment King instead of the usual rogues.You're correct up to a point, but then you need to just take lessons from MCU Spidey. His last couple of films were pretty bad too, so what did Feige do? He made sure Peter wasn't fighting Green Goblin or Doc Ock again. Snyder did a good job with Zod and a terrible job with Lex. Put BOTH of those guys on the shelf. Use Metallo, Brainiac, or Manchester Black. Pull a Ragnarok and have Superman be abducted by Mongul to fight in Warworld gladiator matches. Do something other than the two villains he's fought over and over and that will get people interested right there because at least it's something new.
cause dc will make sure that he kills a load of other superheroes.
I'm ashamed for allowing myself to get excited after Wally returned.cause dc will make sure that he kills a load of other superheroes.
least they're finally getting around to releasing tpb of his flash run.I'm ashamed for allowing myself to get excited after Wally returned.
I'm ashamed for allowing myself to get excited after Wally returned.
Hopefully. I've stayed away from Flash Forward because of the creative team. My hope was that they'd give him some sort of Paralax/Green Lantern Rebirth retcon and hand wave away everything he did by saying he was unwillingly taken under the influence by some sort of corrupted speed force.I'm pretty sure they're undoing HiC in record time with that new Wally mini.
I never buy physical comics anymore but I really want these. Waid's run on Flash is my all-time favorite.least they're finally getting around to releasing tpb of his flash run.
Hopefully. I've stayed away from Flash Forward because of the creative team. My hope was that they'd give him some sort of Paralax/Green Lantern Rebirth retcon and hand wave away everything he did by saying he was unwillingly taken under the influence by some sort of corrupted speed force.
I never buy physical comics anymore but I really want these. Waid's run on Flash is my all-time favorite.
they're also starting to release the baron and messner-loeb stuff.Hopefully. I've stayed away from Flash Forward because of the creative team. My hope was that they'd give him some sort of Paralax/Green Lantern Rebirth retcon and hand wave away everything he did by saying he was unwillingly taken under the influence by some sort of corrupted speed force.
I never buy physical comics anymore but I really want these. Waid's run on Flash is my all-time favorite.
that books just 6 issues of lip service before he gets killed off in next years event.I'm pretty sure they're undoing HiC in record time with that new Wally mini.
So they can age him up via black hole?Jon Kent.
Makking Superman a dad is such a logical conclusion to his character that I'm still surprised it took them this long to do it.
What