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DCEU Era |OT2| Joker's Wild
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It's a comic book movie, people would let it slide. That's how they expect Superman to act.
Snyder could have done this, as well. Snyder could have spent days figuring out the logistics for this to work or be comic book plausible but he didn't because he wanted Superman to kill people.
Why would Superman go through a wall, let alone two, if he wasn't trying to kill the dictator? He knows how fragile humans are. Why didn't he stop before he got to the first wall? What purpose other than murder is there for him to do that? As a first action this is a terrible example to get audiences who are skeptical of his Superman to win them over.
People assume that because that's how Snyder frames his Superman in that fashion. Snyder did not set up his Superman with that credibility in MOS, making that his first scene was not trying to win them over that they could trust this guy. There are moments in the films where he does good rescues and had he done that all the time it'd be less of an issue but that is never focused on as a primary insight into how this Superman acts. Snyder's Superman is reckless.
This is not the Superman who is from MOS or B vs S.
With Birds of Prey so soon, the actors staring to sport their new looks, I'm expecting some costumes soon of Canary, Huntress, and the new Harley.
I'm so excited for this. The Suicide Squad set photos and teasers were A+ and executed perfectly.
Question for everyone: if I use a VPN to change my country to Canada, and log in to Netflix, will Titans show up for streaming?
Because it goes against the narrative people are trying to push, but ignoring other countless examples, in this movie and others.
Sandberg lying about leaks again.
Someone then leaked the audio from that part in the trailer (until Twitter removes it):
EDIT. Twitter removed it.
Edit: Back for now:
Someone then leaked the audio from that part in the trailer (until Twitter removes it):
EDIT. Twitter removed it.
Edit: Back for now:
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He then backtracked and claimed he doesn't know what's in the trailer and that the trailer would have stuff not in the movie because people are flipping the fuck out and being offended that the theme was used.
Doesn't Clark pretty clearly say he didn't kill anyone? You are assuming Superman killed someone when the movie tells you directly he didn't.
This is getting weird my guy. Not liking the movie is one thing, hell tons of people don't dig it. But like it's spelled out in dialogue he didn't kill anyone.
Listen son, DCEU is already on the rise, WW 2 will clear a billion too and Shazam will make 1.5 billion domestic.
It was a weird year. Black Panther hit $1.3 billion. Infinity hit $2 billion. China helped push Venom to $855 million. Aquaman hitting a billy is right in line, and makes sense in context after the fact. (See: Jumanji last year.) Hell, Bohemian Rhapsody is sitting at $743 million.
I cannot confirm nor deny that I had anything to do with Omar's state of mind.
Also, he did NOT have a sexual relationship with that woman....Miss Lewinski...
Can you show me a scene of what you're referred to that he didn't kill anyone? I don't recall seeing that in the movie and I saw it three times.
edit: Are you talking about the director's cut? I didn't see that.
What other examples? The only movies this Superman appeared in are MOS and Justice League, and he didn't kill anybody in Justice League.
As far as I'm aware this is from the theatrical cut, feel free to correct me if this wasn't in the version you saw but I only saw bvs the one time.
1:49 is where he mentions not having killed anyone during the africa incident.
From what I remember the discussions the government has about Superman don't paint him as a killer. Just that he acted in a potentially irresponsible way in a geopolitical conflict. There is lots of confusion in the media converge about the event (caused in no small part by lex and his plans) and it leads to the government wanting to question Superman.
bvs is like 3 hours long and I really don't feel like watching it all again lmao.
I saw the theatrical version. I view this as them speaking about the men Luthor framed him for killing, maybe I'm wrong but I didn't include the dictator in that since he's not specifically bought up again. Agreed on that interpretation, as everyone was reacting to Luthor's group's actions.
If this was Snyder's intent that Superman doesn't kill people I thought he did a bad job communicating this to the audience, as the language he tells it ignores the people in the audience who had a bad reaction to MOS, and he didn't provide sufficient scenes on screen to confirm clearly enough to those skeptics that's not how he operates. Trust needed to be earned with these critics and I felt he didn't bother trying to sooth their worries in B vs S. The movie never dealt with the repercussions of him killing Zod, and if you need to see something to prove he no longer goes that route I don't think the movie did that. It's not just me, either, this Superman has a bad reputation for a lot of people who saw these movies for the same reasons. Maybe its unfair to Snyder but this was what he needed to do to win us over, which he could have done after MOS. How Superman acted through B vs S didn't help his cause, I saw him as a wrathful god who didn't like humanity and acted more like a thug intimidating people than traditional Superman. That characterisation didn't get me to trust him, it made me assume the worst since killing people wouldn't that much of a stretch for a super-human with that personality.
With Snyder's movies how people view him shouldn't be up for debate, everyone should be on the same page and in that guy's corner. I got a better picture of Batman, while he was a jerk and a killer in his own right I was able to view his thought process and knew where he stood and I think everybody else did, too. So I know Snyder can do this, it's just odd why he didn't want to do that with Superman in the same movie.
I'm glad you are able to enjoy this Superman. I didn't get that until Justice League.
Don't blame you lol
If the Shazam trailer is as hype as Twitter people are saying I predict it doing well.
I'm certain all it needs is 1 good trailer and a money shot to have people in. The concept alone is resonating with people.
I'm certain all it needs is 1 good trailer and a money shot to have people in. The concept alone is resonating with people.
Pretty sure the point was to have Superman's intentions up for debate. That thread was started in Man of Steel and was supposed to be partially continued in Justice League and fully concluded in JL Part 2 following an MoS sequel. Plans were nixed after BvS was slammed by critics so his redemption was basically turned into "Well, if we bring him back from the dead maybe he'll be good maybe he'll be bad! 50/50!" Then he comes back and effortlessly beats Steppenwolf alone within roughly a minute. Just after stomping the rest of the League. In a movie that's tagline is You Cant Save the World Alone.
I hate Justice League if that wasn't obvious.
I hate Justice League if that wasn't obvious.
Watch the Ultimate Cut. A huge number of the issues you're having with Superman's characterization and portrayal is all rectified in the longer cut. If it helps, I think the film flows better with more fluid transitions so it really doesn't feel like a longer movie than the theatrical.
I liked mos for what it was but I had problems with it. I didn't necessarily enjoy Superman in mos and bvs, I just thought he was understandable. Just a regular person trying to figure crazy shit out. I do agree with some of your larger points tho. Snyder at times leaves too much unsaid and taken for granted that the audience is on his side. Other times he explains too much. he doesn't always communicate his ideas well, to put it lightly.
If he just did mos and then did batman with a better writter I would have been fine. Bvs has some high highs and some low lows.
People can think however they want and we can have all these discussions, I mean they are just movies.
People (not you) just dog on Snyder tho. I really get wanting something else from his Superman, I really do. but discussions about Zack Snyder online make it sound like he took away their health care. He's just a dude.
You lose a lot of the humanisation of Clark in the theatrical cut compared to the ultimate edition
There's some truth to the 'rumor' that WB wanted the theatrical cut to be more Batman focused.
I agree. You're right, it's important not to get too emotionally invested with entertainment.
lmao
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