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DCEU Era |OT2| Joker's Wild
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Yes it's been straight up weird to read this forum condemning this movie while getting angry at video games being blamed.
If you think a film is capable of that than video games are too.
If you think a film is capable of that than video games are too.
This is where I'm at too, especially after watching the clips. That Joker thread was a fucking dumpster fire.
I'm going to disagree for two reasons.
1) Era isn't a hive mind, the posters Pearl-clutching about Joker aren't necessarily the ones getting upset about video game criticism.
2) criticism about games is literally just 'they have violence in them' when the discussions about Joker are due to the motivations of the violence and how those motivations are portrayed.
Doesn't make it not dumb, given practically nobody here has seen the film at all.
But of course they are. I'm sure one of the few things just about everyone here would agree on is that blaming the vidya games is bs. You won't see much of any calls for mainstream game censorship in relation to gun violence here, but you'll have plenty of pearl-clutching over a Joker film.
Era isn't a hive mind, there's just too many people. But it's style of moderation definitely tries to make it one. There is a wrong opinion to have on certain things, and you will get banned for sharing them. Carried right over from GAF.
I can see RT changing the critical consensus now that Joker is below 80%. American critics...
Looking for excuses instead of tackling the gun worship problem. I personally hate guns, will never own guns but I love shooters and don't mind violence in movies. Some people should just get a grip on reality.
I also wonder what the discourse would be towards this movie if incels or the alt right weren't really a thing. It seems to me that people propping this film to be some banner for those bad individuals will only help make that a reality.
Looking for excuses instead of tackling the gun worship problem. I personally hate guns, will never own guns but I love shooters and don't mind violence in movies. Some people should just get a grip on reality.
I also wonder what the discourse would be towards this movie if incels or the alt right weren't really a thing. It seems to me that people propping this film to be some banner for those bad individuals will only help make that a reality.
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Yall gotta stop worrying what an RT score means for consensus. I feel this movie is going to kill it at the box office. IDK how well it'll do long term, but with a tame budget it's going to do fine. My 63 year old mom wants to see this movie.
I never understood why RT pumps out a consensus blurb so quickly. It has always seemed very strange because they often have to change it.
I had mentioned this when the review thread came about. They're basically advertising for these said individuals and making it know more and more with each reply about it.
Are critics knocking it more objectively, or does it come off as bitterness towards the content?
I don't read reviews.
You can just tell they want to do the complete opposite of the reviews that came out around the Venice Film Festival
Some reviews start with like 2-3 paragraphs complaining about other reviews and the Venice film festival itself. For some reason it's a problem the film world wasn't united in condemning the movie and a foreign film festival should cater to Americans specific worries.
The whole world isn't about America lol.
I'm sure the movie isn't perfect but some people just went in mind already made up. Which is, whatever. People gonna be people. But then those reviews read so weird.
No reason to worry tho. The movie will be fine.
Agreed on all points. Most of those new TIFF reviews are utter nonsense imo.
But yeah, regardless of the RT/MC scores, this movie is gonna make bank (and probably sweep several awards too).
Another fascinating review from a top critic: https://www.vulture.com/2019/09/joker-2019-movie-review.html
I honestly don't see the Academy recognizing this film for anything anymore. A lot of these influential critics just absolutely hate the movie and the Academy wont want to further tarnish their already terrible reputation by giving it any awards or recognition.
Seems like if anything some of these critics are accomplishing making the film into a bigger controversy than it actually is by comparing it to nazi/incel/right wing propaganda that will ultimately just help the actual nazis and incels latch onto it. I'm already seeing youtube recommendations (which I will never watch) complaining about these critics as being SJWs.
I honestly don't see the Academy recognizing this film for anything anymore. A lot of these influential critics just absolutely hate the movie and the Academy wont want to further tarnish their already terrible reputation by giving it any awards or recognition.
Seems like if anything some of these critics are accomplishing making the film into a bigger controversy than it actually is by comparing it to nazi/incel/right wing propaganda that will ultimately just help the actual nazis and incels latch onto it. I'm already seeing youtube recommendations (which I will never watch) complaining about these critics as being SJWs.
If the academy cares about what top critics thought then Green Book wouldn't have won anything.
They got a lot of flak for awarding those films and I don't see it repeating. Also critics weren't as bent out of shape with those movies as they are with Joker. They see this as a life or death situation and as a moral obligation to get people to not see the movie.
Green Book was literally two years after Moonlight and after Oscars So White. The Academy does not give a flying fuck.
Lmao you can't be serious. America did nothing after Sandy Hook, even if some incel goes and shoots up a movie theater nothing is going to happen. Not in Trump's America.
We definitely wont be seeing from trump any gun control legislation and universal health care proposals which would assure that everyone has access to mental health care. But now that we have some progressives using the same right wing excuses of blaming media consumption for atrocities committed by psychopaths with guns it isn't too far fetched to believe that some democrats might eventually agree with republican who want to censor entertainment just as a scapegoat to avoid gun control.
Incredible to watch how politicized this film has become. It's just a lightning rod.
I wonder if WB expected this?
I wonder if WB expected this?
There are harsh reviews but there also great ones...if the movie appeals the public once it's released and becomes succesfull, which is likely, Oscars are definitely possible.
By the way, no one else thinks that all these repercussion around the movie will work as publicity? It's almost a month away lol
By the way, no one else thinks that all these repercussion around the movie will work as publicity? It's almost a month away lol
I absolutely think it will work as publicity. The more outcry there is about it the more people will want to see it. Guaranteed. I think it's going to open big and also do well at the Oscars.
Worth mentioning that a few critics giving negative reviews to 'Joker' also didn't care for Christopher Nolan's Batman movies either.
Stephanie Zacharek (TIME) gave negative/rotten reviews to both "The Dark Knight" and "Batman Begins".
David Edelstein (Vulture) gave negative/rotten reviews to both "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises.
If they didn't care much for Nolan's dark, gritty Batman movies, then it's doubtful they'll be interested in an R-rated Joker origin movie directed by Todd Philips.
Stephanie Zacharek (TIME) gave negative/rotten reviews to both "The Dark Knight" and "Batman Begins".
David Edelstein (Vulture) gave negative/rotten reviews to both "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises.
If they didn't care much for Nolan's dark, gritty Batman movies, then it's doubtful they'll be interested in an R-rated Joker origin movie directed by Todd Philips.
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I wouldn't look much into that. Nolan's Batman trilogy and Phillips' Joker probably have nothing in common other than the IP itself.
I could see plenty of people with little interest in Batman films taking an interest in Joker. It's not your usual comic book movie.
I think Emily is just saying that some of the critics were just not likely to have liked Joker in the first place.
On the real tho, this deal is more for original content. Their trying to fill out Warner Media and set up newer properties.
Quick hand over stewardship of the DCEU to Sonny Shine before Episode IX melts the internet.
So yeah... he's literally talking about Elseworlds or a DC Black label. DC should've just labeled it as such from the get go.
So news of Abrams directing or at the very least producing the next Superman will happen before the year is over, yes?
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