• Introducing Image Options for ResetEra 2.0! Check the left side navigation bar to show or hide images, avatars, covers, and embedded media. More details at the link.
  • Community Spotlight sign-ups are open once again for both Gaming and EtcetEra Hangout threads! If you want to shine a spotlight on your community, please register now.

DCEU Era |OT2| Thundercrack!

Erza won

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • Oh hell yes

    Votes: 23 69.7%

  • Total voters
    33
Oct 25, 2017
5,418
I never understood why people gave "I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you" a pass. Imagine if TAS Batman said that. Bruce Timm would be vilified.

Also the whole "I won't kill this man who murdered someone, but I will set fire and kill many more men while not saving that man but instead save the man who orchestrated the whole thing instead."
People didn't really pass it, they just liked the movie so most let it slide. Every movie has missteps and failures, if the movie as a whole good enough, it doesn't matter. Like, the fact that Luke Skywalker remains hidden in SW, considering he has his father's last and lives openly on his uncle's farm makes no goddamn sense. But I like the movie, so *hand wave*. If I didn't, that shit jumps out.

That said, folks did notice.

https://www.cinemablend.com/new/Batman-Has-Killed-Lot-People-Screen-Here-Proof-78987.html
Watching the various clips featured in this video, you'll probably notice that the Tim Burton/Joel Schumacher era of movies was pretty loose on the whole "not killing idea," and that it was really Christopher Nolan who really enforced that aspect of the Dark Knight's character. Of course, this has led to a handful of controversies. First of all, in Batman Begins, Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne basically refuses to execute a criminal, and instead decides to kill a bunch of other people instead. There is also the rather bogus "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" line from the end of that same film, which gets a fantastic Michael Keaton Bruce Wayne reaction shot in the video
At the very least fans can take solace in the fact that most versions of the Caped Crusader stick to the hero's famous "no guns" rule... well, except for the Nintendo game based on Tim Burton's 1989 Batman movie.
Christopher Nolan dragged Batman (and superhero cinema) into a more serious “real” world
Batman Begins is also a movie full of movie bullshit, characters who don’t remain remotely consistent. After spending who knows how long in the thrall of a ninja cult, Bruce Wayne refuses to kill a murderous farmer, so he sets off an explosion that must kill a whole lot of people, presumably including that same murderous farmer.
One Batman Returns kill was so controversial that it's brought up in an interview 25 years later.
A controversial Batman kill wasn't in the screenplay, according to Waters.

"My friends always asked, 'How can you have Batman kill somebody?' To me, Batman not killing Heath Ledger at the end of The Dark Knight after proving he can get out of any prison, it's like 'Come on. Kill Heath Ledger,' " says Waters.

But he's not thrilled with how Batman Returns' Batman handled capital justice.

"Batman killing the clown by throwing his bomb back at him, that wasn't in my draft. I know how uptight people are about Batman killing people in the first place," he says. "To me, if he's going to kill somebody, it better be worth it. It should mean something. So, when he's killing people in a devil-may-care way, it's a little grating."

Burton recalls the violence this way: "At the time, it felt like we were exploring new territory and it's probably quite tame compared to now."

He doesn't recall the studio pushing back.

"I think that everybody was on board with the fact that these were going to be a different type of superhero movie. Because it felt new at the time, they really didn't know what to say about it," says Burton.
Even The Daily Beast called Arkham Knight, "The Most Violent Batman Yet"
This is a character who doesn’t kill people. That makes him (almost) a role model—certainly a hero for edgy, brooding kids to look up to. The ESRB description for Arkham Asylum, the first game in the series, makes specific mention of this: “Players assume the role of Batman as he fights (never kills) his way through a psychiatric hospital populated by psychopathic criminals…”
And then you’re in the Batmobile chasing down the thugs that almost ran you over. You’re driving through the streets, crushing pretty much anything in your path. (Pillars, tables, trees, etc. are all destructible, and crumble upon impact.) It’s like something out of Grand Theft Auto. And then you… shoot missiles at the car. Yes, it says that you’re doing this to immobilize them, not kill them, and yeah, you might see someone come out of the wreckage. But when you see that car explode and then flip over in a flaming wreckage, the only thing you can think is, “Yup. They’re dead.” Followed by, “Wait… Did Batman just kill somebody?”
College Humor made a whole joke video about it.

The truth is the no kill rule is in place to justify one big, big sore thumb in the Batman universe. Without it, why doesn't he just Punisher most of his rogues gallery? This is generally why most superheroes have no kill rules: to preserve super-villains. Something I note is really not a problem with superhero movies because they usually end up killing their villains? I was so happy when
Aquaman didn't kill Orm or Black Manta
.
 
Oct 25, 2017
384
If Superman doesn't die, I think he helps form the league too inspire the planet, and on the idea that one man even a Superman isn't enough to fight future threats. If your looking at why form the league in the first place, than after Clark is brought back why deal with the team anyway.

I would have waited a few films and had a Death and Return of Superman work to introduce new character's and a new Team after the big 7.
The team is formed after Superman returns to fight...bigger threats?? That was the setup in place with Darkseid apparently being a part of Justice League but we didn't get that in the theatrical cut so who knows?
And what wouldn't be more inspiring than Superman's return leading to a rise of metahuman superheroes being able to come out in the open? Without Superman inspiring figures like Batman and Wonder Woman to stand united, then what are the chances of Aquaman, Shazam, or any other heroes like Blue Beetle or Flash to be recieved as the heroic figures they are?
I know a lot of people think Superman's death was done too soon, but I disregard that mainly due to the thematic notion of sacrifice, and that Superman himself was willing to sacrifice his life to save the world from a threat that he couldn't handle alone. A threat so imposing and overwhelming...that forming a team to fill the void of Superman would have made complete sense.
 
Dec 26, 2018
5,521
Idiotic hot take? Superman would be a a god among us and how Snyder handled him as a dude coming to grips with his power was amazing. I know you got it out for cavill Superman but people just wanted him to be classic supes who saves the day and you can get that bullshit outta my face. Some People took that neck snap like it was their neck being snapped.
A classic Superman coming to grips with his powers in a modern world is a wonderful idea, the issue is how Snyder implemented it. I don't think MOS was a deal breaker for making the transition to the classic Superman but Snyder bungled everything with B vs S. That neck snap only happened because Goyer and Snyder went above and beyond to make it happen, there's a multitude of options he had to get a similar reaction without making Superman a killer or at least someone who doesn't have to snap necks to win. Of course people will take an incident like that to heart with characters they care about, why would they not?

Many super-heroes in the DCU would be gods among us: Martian Manhunter, Dr. Fate, Metamorpho, Wonder Woman, Shazam etc. They can be gods while being relatable, and understandable to others. Wonder Woman did this in all her movie appearances.

I’m not a fan of Gunn’s quirky style for Superman, I really think he needs that team dynamic. So weird he wants krypto to just be hanging out in his movie.
Gunn might be suited to a Superman movie with the Super Family (Supergirl, Superboy, Steel), or having him team up with a super-hero or two.
 
Last edited:
Oct 27, 2017
5,763
Still her best costume though. Why can’t she wear the suit and just ditch the hat? Or at least include it as one of the costumes she wears.
Because those days are ova for her. Not hard to understand why she doesn’t where the suit she used to wear when she was with her abuser lol
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,882
Simpler answer is the Suicide Squad and other alternative HQ outfits are insanely popular. Among comic fans, general audiences, and everyone in between. The very vocal minority advocating “purity,” wanting her to wear a black and red onesie 100% of the time aren’t gonna override everyone else.
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,468
What team up is everyone hoping for in the new suicide squad movie?

I'd like Killer Frost, Deadshot, Katana, Harley and Boomerang.

Though it's wishful thinking for that many characters to carry over from the first movie I guess.

I'd like Kingshark too, he could appear in Aquaman 2 also to add some connectivity to the universe.

Edit - I BELIEVE
 
Last edited:
Nov 15, 2017
1,479
Deadshot, Harley, Boomerang, Cheshire, Livewire, Weather Wizard, King Shark, Vixen, Angle Man (jobber who dies almost immediately).

Still my preferred team. Swap Cheshire for Katana if you want to maintain more continuity between the two movies.

Basically, I want to maintain and expand the diversity of the cast as I think that was a big part of the first movie's success. I honestly think dumping the entire team from the first would be a mistake; let Boomer, Harley, and Deadshot form the core of the team at least. Flagg and Moon can be around as supporting characters or cameos.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,236
Bothell WA
I don’t know what people are complaining about, I think two live-action DC films a year are more than enough. I do think the 2021 DC films could be spaced out a lot better
For me it's cause they have so many characters I want to see on the big screen that having 2 a year is just too low. Especially when they're all going to be getting sequels. I also don't want to wait 4-5 years between sequels. These actors aren't getting any younger and it gets harder for them to stay in superhero shape.
 
Oct 25, 2017
7,866
What team up is everyone hoping for in the new suicide squad movie?

I'd like Killer Frost, Deadshot, Katana, Harley and Boomerang.

Though it's wishful thinking for that many characters to carry over from the first movie I guess.

I'd like Kingshark too, he could appear in Aquaman 2 also to add some connectivity to the universe.

Edit - I BELIEVE
Henry on that JUIICEEEE, look at those delts

Geralt is gonna be huge
 
Dec 26, 2018
5,521
Cavill is still supes.

You have to believe.
Is he still Superman when Superman doesn't appear in films? I haven't heard the faintest whisper of Superman appearing in any movie being in production in the next few years. There were occasionally rumours of Man of Steel 2 but that never gets made.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,897
I never understood why people gave "I won't kill you... but I don't have to save you" a pass. Imagine if TAS Batman said that. Bruce Timm would be vilified.

Also the whole "I won't kill this man who murdered someone, but I will set fire and kill many more men while not saving that man but instead save the man who orchestrated the whole thing instead."
"I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" didn't bother me a ton. It's 'you destroyed the train controls, you decided to stay and fight, you committed to this suicidal plan - save yourself'. Same with burning down the monastery - if you see the place is on fire, have time to get out, but decide to stay and fight - your death is on you.
 

Pein

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,020
NYC
Is he still Superman when Superman doesn't appear in films? I haven't heard the faintest whisper of Superman appearing in any movie being in production in the next few years. There were occasionally rumours of Man of Steel 2 but that never gets made.
That’s probably on lock, the rock commented on that pic too.

The rocks production company and his ex wife manages cavill, they’re also producing Shazam. They have a vested interest in DCEU and Superman, I’m sure something is in the works.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,498
That’s probably on lock, the rock commented on that pic too.

The rocks production company and his ex wife manages cavill, they’re also producing Shazam. They have a vested interest in DCEU and Superman, I’m sure something is in the works.
They can easily add a small scene in Shazam with Cavill. I will never give up hope
 

Pein

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,020
NYC
They can easily add a small scene in Shazam with Cavill. I will never give up hope
The rock is the biggest star on the planet and he made bank with rampage for WB already, I’m sure they’ll bend to him. Superman, black Adam, Shazam.

A small cameo would really help out the DCEU’s image, Shazam is so light hearted it’d be a perfect cameo. Besides, when’s the next opportunity for Superman to be on screen? The closest thing that would make sense after Shazam is Wonder Woman.
 
Oct 26, 2017
4,498
Doesn't even have to be story related. Literally I would like a scene where Shazam is doing something heroic, looks up, and you see Cav floating and looking at him. He smiles and nods and flies away.

That's on the house WB.

I wanna watch the best, most epic DCAU content right now. What's everyone's best movie or even multi-part JLU episode? Preferably with the JL, not just Superman or Batman
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,468
More Shazam toy leaks

THAT is going to be so damn hype. This film is going to be huge, I feel it.

A Caveo is so damn easy to add to this movie.

Shazam flying at the end of the movie. Superman flies past, slows down, nods and smiles and zooms off.

A recreation of Shazam/Superman first thunder's ending would have me tear up in the cinema - but this movie seems to be taking a different route with Billy (that run was quite dark in hindsight).

ALSO

If Shazam is ever in a JL movie, I hope they go the route where no one (but Batman of course) knows he's a child.
 

a916

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,276
Cavill looking hella good...

And WB gave Gunn the choice of doing Superman? And he didn't say yes?...

I don't know if I should be depressed that he didn't take it... or not as depressed that WB is still open to doing a Superman movie.

The rock is the biggest star on the planet and he made bank with rampage for WB already, I’m sure they’ll bend to him. Superman, black Adam, Shazam.

A small cameo would really help out the DCEU’s image, Shazam is so light hearted it’d be a perfect cameo. Besides, when’s the next opportunity for Superman to be on screen? The closest thing that would make sense after Shazam is Wonder Woman.
I've been saying it since day 1 and they should've done something similar for AM. It takes nothing for them to do these kinds of easter eggs and bring the universe together WITHOUT hampering the quality of the movie.

People bemoan the connected universe because sometimes it weighs very heavily on the plot of the movie, but these small easter eggs have no bearing on the quality of the movie.
 
Last edited:
Oct 25, 2017
4,236
Bothell WA
Just give me Hammer. Dude is the perfect age and looks enough like Ben.

He turns 33 this August, but can easily pass for late 20's. I would assume Reeve's Batman will be year 8, with Batman starting his career around age 24-25, which means 32/33 is the perfect age for the actor.
 
Nov 28, 2017
128
I'm just going to put it out into the world because I deserve nice things, but this has to be the week we get the Shazam trailer!
So some dude I’m apparently following who I didn’t know I was following retweeted some other dude who basically said no Shazam! trailer this week.