So from that profit, how much is Nintendo's cut vs Universal Studios?? Can we assume half of that is Nintendo's?? Also crazy how much theatres make money. If I were Nintendo, might make it streaming only the next movie and get more money and cut out the middleman that way.
A lot of people don't know this, but Disney (especially Pixar) developed a lot of technology for their film even thought sometime it doesn't look like it (like how Disney make one to simulate the water for Moana, or Pixar with their element/fluidity tech in Elementals). Then they licensed those tech to other animation studios to make some money back, so the budget is always high (of course we need to mention the constant reanimate after screentest, etc.).
But Illumination rarely did any of that shit.
Probably half, they funded like 50% of the production budget, and although it seem like theater make a lot of money, their real profits is from snack and drink, not these, it seem huge but like, not every theater can get the big cut.
And if Nintendo were you and put the next movie on stream, they will lost a lot of money lmao people will pirate it day 1... And if they keep doing it, people will start to expect it and don't go to theater. There is a reason why a lot of Pixar, Disney movie didn't make much money these days, everyone is waiting for it on D+.
I'm assuming that many of the animators are from France which have lower salaries than ones in California. I could be wrong though.
Honestly, the fascinating thing to me is seeing all the revenue and expenses breakdown, even if they're estimates.
In any case, I welcome the beginning of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe.
In any case, I welcome the beginning of the Nintendo Cinematic Universe.
There's no way Nintendo would be able to make this much money on the movie if it went direct to streaming.
And like it's been said, the cut theaters get from the movie is not that big. Theaters make most of their money from selling snacks.
The new Planet of the Apes has some buzz to it. If it winds up being good and they let Wes make a legit film then we may have something actually great on our hands with Zelda, hopefully
I would've thought Nintendo got a much bigger share. Cause I would imagine this profit estimate are from the perspective of the studio releasing. The money Nintendo makes would be part of the participations line item. And they've got $90M there. And I know, on animated films nobody gets much of anything for participations. But in this case Nintendo would. Voice actors don't get Profit sharing deals on most animated films, usually just bonuses based on box office (and even then, only in English speaking countries or domestic).
Granted, I know Deadline is often off on their numbers. They make good estimates but they are estimates. I wonder what their assumptions are on what Nintendo takes. Maybe they're looking at it from the co-financier perspective though cause they didn't reduce the budget to account for Nintendos input. But then…who the hell would get $90M?
Granted, I know Deadline is often off on their numbers. They make good estimates but they are estimates. I wonder what their assumptions are on what Nintendo takes. Maybe they're looking at it from the co-financier perspective though cause they didn't reduce the budget to account for Nintendos input. But then…who the hell would get $90M?
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No ways. I thought participation is for "talent", so some kind of big names actors (which we have a lot of in this movie) willing to take less pay to get (possible) big money later.
Beside, Nintendo is also funding the movie and the one have the right of this movie, there is no way they only got the money from "participation" and not from actual theater/home media revenue.
I mean why wouldn't it be round numbers? It's not like deadline has access to actual numbers. They're guessing. Educated but still.
Participations is any profit participation paid to interested parties (excluding unions, that's residuals). Not just talent. It's also where co-finance partners get paid, or licensors for distribution, etc. If you looked at Universals accounting books, you would see all the money paid to Nitnendo classified as participations cause that's what it is. Granted I don't know what Deadline means, but I know what Universal would call it. And I Would've expected more for Nintendo, and something much smaller for actual talent. So I can't quite figure what they're suggesting on that point. They didn't reduce the budget to really account for Universals point of view so I guess it's not, but it makes that $90M seem a little unbelievable. I dunno.
participations should be anyone with profit participation/points. given Nintendo also provided financing, I would assume Deadline is putting them in the studio cut, but we don't know what the actual co-production agreement between Universal/Illumination/Nintendo was (unless it's been mentioned somewhere but I doubt that specific breakdown has)
i wish the movie were better but good for Nintendo.
90m with Nintendo's cut is way too low, i'm assuming they're including them in studio cut.
i wish the movie were better but good for Nintendo.
90m with Nintendo's cut is way too low, i'm assuming they're including them in studio cut.
Thats what I ask my Boss every week
No one wants to read 1732.837
Nintendo simply rules entertainment in general. It's really profound to behold. Their stable of recognizable creative work goes far and well beyond everything Disney has ever owned or produced (including Star Wars and Marvel), DC with Batman or Superman, Tolkien, Harry Potter…anything and all those other IPs combined, really. Their artistic impact in our lifetime is absolutely staggering if you really stop to consider it.
(almost?) every Disney movie released last year lost money lol
wonder how Barbie and Oppenheimer did compared to this, Barbie made more money but I guess cost more or had to share the profits more or whatever
wonder how Barbie and Oppenheimer did compared to this, Barbie made more money but I guess cost more or had to share the profits more or whatever
Here you go.
‘Barbie’ Struts To No. 2 In Deadline’s 2023 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament
Barbie become the highest-grossing movie in Warner Bros history with $1.44 billion, overtaking Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.
deadline.com
Oscar Best Picture Winner ‘Oppenheimer’ Is No. 5 In Deadline’s 2023 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament
Oppenheimer saw a profit of $201.9 million after the Oscar winner's home entertainment, box office and production costs.
deadline.com
I was going to say I'd be surprised if it was bad, then just found out Wes Ball wasn't the director of the previous reboot movies, Matt Reeves was. Well, hopefully Kingdom is good too...
Oh wow it beat Barbie, incredible start to their cinematic universe:)
What is the most profitable movie of all time, I remember Avatar and endgame being the top grossing
What is the most profitable movie of all time, I remember Avatar and endgame being the top grossing
This is an unanswerable question. Nobody has enough information to really say for sure. It's probably one of those movies youd think but who could ever actually figure that out. What even counts? Granted, I'm gonna guess it is not Avatar or Endgame cause too many big players got money. Then something like Lion King…you don't have to really pay anyone. And do you count the stage show? I could come up with tons more questions that would make this incredibly impossible to answer. I mean even these Deadline numbers are what…10 year estimates? It's not even the end of day profit, itll be more after these numbers. Anyway I go on.
All of the above is part of it, but also, I mean…
Have you sat and watched films from both studios? Because the difference is pretty stark. The animation detail/complexity, the technical complexity of the effects, the environment detail/complexity, and the general artistry of everyone involved is on another level entirely in Pixar films.
No Illumination film will ever look like this 5 year old Toy Story 4 scene:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRr0Dg9faQc
doesn't really matter what they get, the profit of the movies is not significant for nintendo.
the real value is the commercial for their IP. getting kids excited about Mario is immense for them.
Exellent point.
Any new kid that gets intrested in a Mario movie, is possibly a new fan of Nintendo and it´s ecosystem including consoles, games and merch.
