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Coronavirus Discussion Thread (See Staff Post) [UPDATE: WHO declares global emergency. See threadmarks]
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As someone who takes immunosuppressants to combat autoimmune disease, this thing is freaking me out a little.
Well, i edited my reply.
I live in the tropic, and cold and sore cold is quite common.
I guess the animal in the tropics carry different kind of diseases.
More good news, the Chicago and Washington patients are in good condition.
Same. On top of that I already have respiratory problems lol.
Where did you get the transportation bit? I've heard nothing about that, but I also live outside the ring.
So I don't live in or near Chicago, but my company is owned by a Japanese corporation, our home offices ARE in Chicago and they fly people to and from Asian hubs into O'Hare and they come straight to our factory... I'm unnecessarily freaked out by this, but its hard not to be :(
official report form global times:
For more specify information, you can check Shanghai goverment-sponsed Wechat accout, 上海本地宝
scroll down, there are information about changed train schedule in this article
The only thing that has been confirmed is that it's origins are from a fish market in Wuhan; Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market. Whether it came from eating a bat, eating a snake (which eats bats) or a different animal have yet been traced at the moment.
As of right now the research they have done with genetic sampling etc seems that it may be closer linked to mammals, such as bats.
What about a mongoose that ate a snake that ate a bat?
Flashbacks of Karl Pilkington and his suitcase of Monster Munch.
Trying to figuer out if me and my wife should leave china. Very tough choice if this is being over blown.... I understand better safe than sorry but she doesnt want to leave her mom. Then her job and so on. opinions?
How old are you guys and do you have any conditions affecting your immune systems? If you're young and healthy you shouldn't worry for yourselves at all at this point.
36 amd 34 but
We would be in chongqing where it could have a decent affect and no one really knows the effects clearly in wuhan or here.
We mostly are looking at the time table of them shutting things down here and then we have no choice, making all of this very difficult
In a time of holiday and time off it has to warm your heart a bit to know why they are working so hard. Being in China for 7 years, I truly have always got the feeling of care and deep rooted compassion even if it isn't always easy to see on the other side of the world and I really hope this situation goes well for as many as it can as there are so many worried and likely are sick that just didn't deserve this. If I am mad, it's at the ones that keep letting the food market situations go.
I've got a flight next weekend too
Guess I'll stock up on masks for the plane ride/airport walk
Guess I'll stock up on masks for the plane ride/airport walk
Where are you, the only thing we are looking at is the time table and if anything is shut down and impossible, which seems a real possibility
My workers often already sleep there during normal times, they likely aren't leaving. I think the key a lot of people always miss is the difference in work flow and culture. My wife's mom works at a hospital and I haven't seen her but about twice this month and only about 10 min. or so (she isn't dealing with this issue)
That's what I was thinking must be happening, that sounds like hell and an easy way for it to spread among medical staff.
But most of them have the virus as well, so there are a few reasons why they can't leave.
I have been to the hospital here for a pretty bad infection, they generally do care and do try their best. This is just a really really sad situation, heart breaking and just so shitty.
And this is something that isn't unique to T3-4 places. I live 5 minutes from Shanghai's largest wet market and while they aren't selling things like Wuhan out blazingly, it's a completely disgusting environment to sell food in with little to no verifiable ways to see where the food comes from or if it's what it says it is. And if you drive say 1-2 hours outside of Shanghai there are very large open fur and wet markets (that likely import into other local markets) that have things like snakes, bats, and mongoose out. My Gf's family goes crazy over these markets because they are significantly cheaper then elsewhere, but generally they don't think about why it's that much cheaper.
Edit- removed last bit since not related and or helpful
Bats were the cause of SARS jumping to humans 20 years ago, but it's way too early to know what this has come from other than it was probably some exotic meat thats banned or taboo for human consumption and thus been sold/consumed under the radar of the authorities.
I know its walking on eggshells to criticise another culture, but there have been reports and rumours that food is the source of outbreaks like Coronavirus and sars. If the foods and types of foods being consumed, their production, farming, storage and handling are responsible for huge, deadly disease outbreaks, then something within that culture needs to change. China needs to legislate and educate to stop outbreaks.
I'm Chinese and I think it's possible to criticize (unfortunately, some) Chinese people consuming wild animals without overgeneralization on the whole Chinese population.
I realise that some people prefer to panic, fear-monger and blow things out of proportion, particularly when absorbing whatever misinformed and ignorant garbage the media throws at us, but if you want to educate yourself about this then I'd recommend a read of the top comments in this reddit thread:
here's a couple of pertinent posts:
question:
It seems like we get a virus scare every couple of years, the last one being Ebola. Is this one any worse than previous viruses?
answer:
So far, no.
At this point the World Health organization does not consider it a global emergency.
2009 Swine flu, 2014 Polio, 2014 Ebola, 2016 Zika virus, 2018–20 Kivu Ebola were all considered global emergencies.
There is of course the potential for coronavirus to mutate, become more lethal and spread. It's location is of particular concern as it is hard to contain in China's urban centers which are tied all over the world. The more it spreads the greater the potential for mutation. This is what makes it quite different than Ebola in rural centers of Africa.
question:
Why has this epidemic seemingly (from even the very early days when only a dozen or so we're infected) been responded to SO fiercely and described as so dangerous? Compared to SARS and the avian and swine flus, this seems like it was understood to be apocalyptic. I don't recall clean room people movers and PPE suits with only a few hundred sick.
answer:
After experiencing so many viral outbreaks the CDC and local health organizations have gotten much better at responding to these situations. We simply have better protocols in place and better precautions to help contain the disease as much as possible. The hyper-vigilance is more preventative than anything. Also I suspect it's being more sensationalized than is necessary by the media as that also tends to happen.
and don't forget this Wikipedia page either:
here's a couple of pertinent posts:
question:
It seems like we get a virus scare every couple of years, the last one being Ebola. Is this one any worse than previous viruses?
answer:
So far, no.
At this point the World Health organization does not consider it a global emergency.
2009 Swine flu, 2014 Polio, 2014 Ebola, 2016 Zika virus, 2018–20 Kivu Ebola were all considered global emergencies.
There is of course the potential for coronavirus to mutate, become more lethal and spread. It's location is of particular concern as it is hard to contain in China's urban centers which are tied all over the world. The more it spreads the greater the potential for mutation. This is what makes it quite different than Ebola in rural centers of Africa.
question:
Why has this epidemic seemingly (from even the very early days when only a dozen or so we're infected) been responded to SO fiercely and described as so dangerous? Compared to SARS and the avian and swine flus, this seems like it was understood to be apocalyptic. I don't recall clean room people movers and PPE suits with only a few hundred sick.
answer:
After experiencing so many viral outbreaks the CDC and local health organizations have gotten much better at responding to these situations. We simply have better protocols in place and better precautions to help contain the disease as much as possible. The hyper-vigilance is more preventative than anything. Also I suspect it's being more sensationalized than is necessary by the media as that also tends to happen.
and don't forget this Wikipedia page either:
Three more confirmed cases in Australia now (NSW specifically)
That's one impressive rush construction job, but from how it's evolved in the past 2 days since they announced that thing 1000 beds unfortunately isn't going to cover much.
Appreciate that, and i tried to word it carefully. I totally agree, and i know China is a vast land with different cultures within it. China (the state) does need to intervene responsibly, though, and stop whatever is happening to promote disease outbreaks wherever it is happening
I hope i didnt cause offense, that definitely wasnt my goal.
Interesting read for those of you who know Chinese: this basically discusses how the Wuhan local government suppressed all information except through 'official' channels in the early days of the virus, as well as the notorious 'superspreader' who infected 15 medical staff (he was in the hospital for neurosurgery, and had seemed perfectly healthy before the surgery itself).
Sitting here in HK visiting in-laws and it already feels tense to me. Luckily came prepared with masks and stuff, but it's nerve-wracking seeing it all unfold so close to here. They just declared a state of emergency for it here and are blocking any trains from Wuhan, and postponing school more. I'm just hoping our flight back to the US on Tuesday is able to get back there without a hitch.
They aren't "fake", they are lagging behind actual reality cause testing kits need to be done then sent to a lab to confirm coronavirus and as you can see, hospitals are under stress at the moment.
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