Kinda weird that Tetris Effect is still on the list. Maybe this isn't the most reliable source?
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Death Stranding Has Been Removed from the Official PlayStation Site's List of Exclusives
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This is pretty much exactly what I said. Before the game had a title or an engine, right after the initial announcement of the partnership.
It is weird and that fact alone completely and utterly obliterates this narrative that people seem to be vying for. Sony are just extremely unreliable with their labelling of exclusives and has been shown countless times.
The examples people bring up as to why Death Stranding might be coming to PC are either good will towards the developers who wanted to part way with Sony (Journey and Detroit), or they were never labelled as first-party exclusives in the first place (No Man's Sky and Crash Bandicoot). None of these, aside from Journey were made with Sony's internal production resources. As proud as Kojima seems to be that he runs an independent studio and that most of the marketing has been controlled by them, almost everything about DS is going straight through SIE.
I'm thinking 5 years down the line, this narrative will be as creaky as those who were confident MGS4 would go to other platforms, and that's not even a first-party game made with Sony resources.
You said it was referring to a smaller scale project, when they literally said it was the first game that they were doing that would also come to PC after PS4.
Is there some other independent Kojima game (as in, his new studio) that was released on PS4 before Death Stranding?
Could be, but before it even releases? That seems like a poor move.
Drive-by port-begging is prohibited on ResetERA. Iirc, I think it is even a bannable offense (although temporarily) last time I checked.
It was first announced as coming to pc. Maybe Kojima isn't happy that Sony won't allow it to be released on pc. They agreed to it for goodwill? It's possible.
Port-begging is a problem when it occurs in threads that have nothing to do with ports, if there were a thread where port-begging would be appropriate, it's this thread.
I have even seen someone in this thread praying it remains a PS4 exclusive, because he doesn't want people to start asking for other PS4 games
Why, you think all those 100+ million PS4 owners are all of the sudden going to change to PC gaming? The smart move would be Sony owning the IP, sselling it on PS4, then a year later sell it on PC and get more sales.
Thankfully those people are slowing fading away into obscrurity. Times are slowly changing, especailly anything that isn't from a 1st party studio and once streaming gets ahold there will no longer be this territorial attitude. The attitude should be this game is great, I wish more people could enjoy it.
I said he was.
I can't find the interview he did in December 2015, but it mirrored his statements above about the early stages of this whole process. Somewhere a long the way the 'smaller' PC/PS4 game turned into a full fledged, AAA tier, Decima Engine project called Death Stranding at which point all mention of a PC release stopped. The reasoning for that? Time will tell.
Just a fan of games, though, I'd love to see Death Stranding running on bleeding edge tech, 60fps with ray tracing and everything.
Gotcha. I can see how many of us ended up gelling those things together in our memories from 3-4 years ago lol
That's super unlikely because the situations are not even close. The games you are comparing Death Stranding to did what they needed for the PlayStation brand at the time, and if there was any chance in there being strong sequels to those games, we would see the intent with them signing on for a sequel and not with the developer wanting to move away from Sony's financial backing. Death Stranding is going to be a huge hit for Sony, and Kojima if he gets the chance will want to make sequels, which will be content to drive the future PlayStation console hardware business - that is one prong of Sony's PS5 strategy: AAA exclusive content. I made a response about this topic in another thread which concerns the exclusive games that have gone to PC so far:
Journey was the last of TGC's incubated projects with Santa Monica Studio. It was very successful for Sony and helped them build a reputation for helping shape these kinds of indie experiences and what would come next, but I don't think it had staying power like the big AAA IPs do for the PlayStation brand, mostly due to it being a 2-hour indie game that not many people talk about as much anymore or really buy as much on their platform. Nobody is asking for "Journey 2". Sony obliged TGC to put it on the PC because they were going to be moving away from console development and must have wanted to attain a bigger audience.
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture was a one-off partnership that was assisted by Santa Monica Studio and after they decided that they no longer wanted to pursue a new project with Sony (or maybe it was the other way around) they wanted their IP to go to other platforms. The Chinese Room is a studio that made its name in the PC community and many of their fans are there. Sony obliged them the license to publish on PC, and after that they decided to take Dear Esther to multiple platforms. Again, nobody is asking for "EGTTR 2".
Helldivers was from Arrowhead Game Studios - also a team that made its name on the PC platform first and foremost. I'm sure Sony had no problem with letting them do what they want on a platform their are comfortable working on. It's a small indie studio making relatively small games, and they don't do sequels. Again, because of this we are probably never going to see a "Helldivers 2". Also I've noticed it was published by PlayStation Mobile Inc, and not SIE directly.
Quantic Dream wanted to pursue something different after all of these years. They no longer wanted to work with Sony's production money (or maybe it was the other way around), so Sony obliged them the license to publish the game on PC as they see fit. Some people want a "Detroit 2", but the chance for that already passed. They've already done exactly what they need to for SIE and aren't getting sequels that would boost the PlayStation brand in any way.
In short, what is the common thread between the studios behind all of these games that came to PC? These studios do not make sequels. So it's not likely going to happen unless it's a game from a studio that is known for not making sequels that also wants out of a working relationship with Sony.
Additionally, none of these games on PlayStation platforms moved anywhere close to as many copies as Death Stranding as a new IP is about to. It will move 8-10 million copies, easy. KojiPro is going to eat. They're getting all they could ever want from Sony's internal resources and complete creative freedom, so why would he bargain for a PC port when he's working in tandem with a studio who handed him the source code to their engine without question. Not only will Kojima want to make another one after this, but Sony is going to want to put more weight behind it as content to drive their PlayStation business. PC really doesn't help them in that case.
That strategy is at odds with what content like Death Stranding does for Sony's console business over the course of a generation. Committing to releasing any and all sequels to a franchise they've heavily invested in on PC is what this would mean with no guarantee they'll get the return they're after, and then the pandora's box is opened. In actuality they will bring games like this to PlayStation Now when it fully makes business sense to because that looks to be their long-term multiplatform strategy.
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In what conceivable way is that so?
This list omits Dreams, Concrete Genie or MediEvil which are PS4 exclusives that nobody has ever questioned. It includes Tetris Effect which has already been confirmed for PC, the PlayStation Store still lists it as "Only on PlayStation", and there have been trailers confirming it as a PS4 exclusive. That is not even touching on how engrained this game is within SIE's internal production pipeline.
I think you're well aware how inconsistent Sony is and has been with exclusivity labelling but are just joining the bandwagon. There is no more chance today that the game is coming to PC than a week ago.
Death Stranding port begging reminds of me Persona 5 Royal port beg.
Kinda sad cuz when the game comes out we will get every thread derailed by it.
But hey this is the forum that allowed a thread with a title "Only PS4 announced so far" for a exclusive announcement rolling trough dozens of pages so let people have fun with their port begging.
I know I ll be playing day one.
Kinda sad cuz when the game comes out we will get every thread derailed by it.
But hey this is the forum that allowed a thread with a title "Only PS4 announced so far" for a exclusive announcement rolling trough dozens of pages so let people have fun with their port begging.
I know I ll be playing day one.
I mean, there's a pretty big difference between "This game was never on the list" and "It was on the list, but it was removed." Don't you agree?
Sony should open up more to the PC. If nothing else, having it as a option for 2nd party games would make those deals even easier for them to do. PC support is something MS offers that Sony traditionally doesnt. If you are a dev that cares about supporting the PC then Sony just isnt a option for you.
I can see them keeping the internal 1th party on lockdown but letting 2nd parties release on PC makes some sense.
I can see them keeping the internal 1th party on lockdown but letting 2nd parties release on PC makes some sense.
Were those games removed from the list just like Death Stranding, or are they not even there right from the start?
Ooof if anyone ever mentioned anything about the PC version people would usually be up in arms claiming it was exclusive.
A true Kojima fan should want a PC version. It produced the best version of MGS5 by far. :P
You won't have to worry about thread derails though, port-begging is still a bannable offense.
Yep. I am not surprised this poster is arguing so hard against it.
It is odd that it was removed. For what purpose? Oversight or is it coming to PC as originally planned?
Dumb question, if this comes out on PC, is this gonna be the first PC game that uses the engine Guerrilla made for Horizon? That's neat~
That thread was probably one of the worst around this topic. People are latching on to whatever they can cause it's a Kojima game and they either want it or they want to stomp on platform exclusivity. That's not a bad thing, but it's also not entirely pragmatic either given how the production of this game has evolved.
It's all the same to me. It shows that Sony or whoever they have managing this kind of exclusivity labelling is just not good at it or isn't given all the details they need to effectively inform people. I've been in every "DS coming to PC" thread there is and there is just as much reaching here, as there ever is.
See the post I made above.
You know you are able to respond to me directly? Seems like you are avoiding a direct conversation with me about the topic. What part of the comment you responded to makes sense and confirms a "better chance now than a day ago"? It has already been established that Sony is inconsistent and unreliable with its exclusivity labelling. Removing a listing and not replacing it with other exclusives just shows their negligence in this area.
it benefits console warz which so many people love to argue about here
both sides it gives something to fight about, has anyone reached out to sony and asked them about it? i looked around at a few of the articles all sourcing era and didnt see any off the top
Maybe we'll hear more at gamescon. The timing is perfect for a pc announcement.
Oh you can be sure that Gamescom thread gonna be a shit show if there is no PC announcement, which I think it won't happen for obvious reasons.
As for Kojima fans I would say that those that really are will find a way to play it regardless the plataform. I know I did with Twin Snakes.
honestly this list doesn't make any sense
many games on that list are not even exclusives, plus there are a lot of exclusives titles that they didn't include
many games on that list are not even exclusives, plus there are a lot of exclusives titles that they didn't include
The PS4 generation is coming to an end and PS Now is already on the PC. So why not sell older titles on the PC too? Kojima already stated he would like to support the PC, not sure why some of you seem to struggle with letting go. We are not talking about 1st party studio titles from Naughty Dog. This could very well be treated like Street Fighter V.
Maybe they don't want to respond directly because some seem very touchy on the subject, acting like it may somehow deteriorate their experience and devalue their investment into the system. To me it's just weird seeing a consumer speak on behalf of the company, much like how crossplay topics go.
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Yep. All this chest beating but reality is most people will play this day 1 on ps4.
I cannot imagine waiting a year. The outliers in this thread who refuse to buy a console are a vocal minority.
And what voice do you represent? Of course most people will play this on the PS4 day 1, it's the only announced version. It's like saying everyone will buy Grand Theft Auto V on the console day 1, then they go and buy it again on the PC. What's your point, that nobody bought The Last of Us on the PS4?
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