I really don't understand what point you are trying to make, when a game hits a platform I think everyone may already suspect it was no accident and that the dev and publisher planned and wanted it lmao
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Death Stranding Has Been Removed from the Official PlayStation Site's List of Exclusives
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People are acting like Sony doesn't own the game. And some are thinking it will come to other platforms other than PC.
4 years of this back & forth. I admire the dedication, But we can all probably accept it will come to PC at some point. Sony are the ones to blame with their murky wording etc. But I get it, They can't come out and say it since it makes their version of the game the worst one so many will just wait, And they can't be having that since they funded the game.
I see a contradicition in that logic. Even in the case they allowed KojiPro to self-publish the PC version, it's still their game, just another version of it, which is also owned by them, and it's going to give them money back. This is not, I don't know, a Yakuza or SF V situation, where a PC version might financially hurt them, because it affects the potential number of sales on their platform. Every DS copy sold is an SIE game sold, like with Uncharted or God of War. The difference is this is going (apparently) to be sold on more than one platform, but that's not a negative for them.
Either way, focusing first on PS makes much more sense. It's their storefront, with their own rules, they can sell hardware to people interested in the game, and collector's editions are sold at a premium. Down the line, after they've done who knows how much money, they will keep the machine going with a digital version for PC, getting again, a cut for every sale. They don't speak clearly, that's true, but it doesn't change the fact, that whatever happens, this is their game.
The funny thing I noticed in those threads is that the notion that Kojima, who was the vice president of Konami, had a far bigger leverage for negotiation seems impossible to some people.
It's like for some people, Sony owns Kojima and Kojima like it. For some people, Kojima just want a blank check to make games and not care about the business aspect and is even glad to be owned by Sony.
Sorry to break some fantasies here, but it's not how things work.
Believe it or not, if you only care about making games, about being a creator, you're even more interested in protecting your creation. The idea that Kojima after taking the boot and taken away his creations (Snatcher, Policenauts and more importantly Metal Gear) would just accept a deal without any ownership sounds far fetched to say the least.
Because otherwise, Sony could've just hired him or outright bought KojiPro. It didn't happen. There's nothing crazy in the idea that (in fact, that's what the deleted Medium QA said and what the SIE PR implies) KojiPro wants to self publish the game on PC and that Sony wants ownership on consoles, which is where it matters the most to them. There's nothing crazy in the idea that Kojima has at least a little saying in what's happening, especially after the whole Konami thing.
It's like for some people, Sony owns Kojima and Kojima like it. For some people, Kojima just want a blank check to make games and not care about the business aspect and is even glad to be owned by Sony.
Sorry to break some fantasies here, but it's not how things work.
Believe it or not, if you only care about making games, about being a creator, you're even more interested in protecting your creation. The idea that Kojima after taking the boot and taken away his creations (Snatcher, Policenauts and more importantly Metal Gear) would just accept a deal without any ownership sounds far fetched to say the least.
Because otherwise, Sony could've just hired him or outright bought KojiPro. It didn't happen. There's nothing crazy in the idea that (in fact, that's what the deleted Medium QA said and what the SIE PR implies) KojiPro wants to self publish the game on PC and that Sony wants ownership on consoles, which is where it matters the most to them. There's nothing crazy in the idea that Kojima has at least a little saying in what's happening, especially after the whole Konami thing.
Even day one multi platforns games they sell more that 50% of the market, do you think they care if their version is the worst?
PC version would be great. I keep hearing Kojima describe some kind of online stuff ("social strand") and I don't want to renew my PS Plus again so I'd prefer a PC version where I can still access online after my Plus ends.
I also love how transparent some people in those threads are. Y'know the "EGS exclusivity would be hilarious" kind. Smells a lot like "if it's not PS4 exclusive, then I hope they'll manage to screw it up for others".
It's not the talk of a PC version that's annoying. It's people acting like Sony doesn't own the game that's annoying. It's their game. If they want to put it on PC, that's fine. if they don't, that's that's also fine, since it's up to them, much like Nintendo didn't release smash, pokemon and fire emblem on other platforms despite them not being "first party" games.
If Death Stranding is a huge success I don't doubt there is a chance Sony buys KojiPro outright.
I see this mentioned quite a lot here, and it never makes sense to me. If it were console ownership that mattered to them the most, they'd have put their entire first-party lineup on PC by now, much like MS did. They've stated in the past that the PS4 Pro was conceived as a competitor to PC, not the Xbox One X.
Baseless port begging is banned for a reason so *hnnnggg, holding it in*
But in this case we have some actual hints of a PC version being at least heavily considered by the developers/publisher (I hope that's is the lowest common denominator here), so of course people are goshing about it, because people like their pc, and others like exclusives, understandably.
Would Sony be the publisher on PC, or would KojiPro publish it themselves?
No matter how good their partnership is, I imagine Kojima is far more comfortable being independent than being owned by a company.
Things are fine as is. Sony provides the money and gets to promote a big name (timed?) exclusive, Kojima gets to do whatever the fuck he wants and seemingly maintains ownership of the IP?
Would Sony even be the publisher on PS4, now that Death Stranding has been removed from the list of PS4 games published by Sony? lol
They have full control of their 1st party output. Kojima is an exception.
PS4 Pro as a PC competitor was a lie.
Sony had no problems with console exclusive games, see SF V, cross-play with PC and some of their "funded" games are on PC as well.
So no, saying that PS4 Pro was conceived as a competitor to PC was just PR, i mean, Xbox One X came out one year later, they had to say PC.
You sure about that? Seems more like the deal they had with thatgamecompany and Quantic Dream (who were able to publish their games on PC despite Sony funding and publishing the PS3/4 version).
It's really pathetic. The more people get to play this, the better.
Sony allowed it. See Jenova Chen interview for Game Informer.
Basically TGC started to communicate with SIE and Sony "made an exception".
Sony still has publishing rights for Journey and other old TGC games.
How come ?
The only funny outcome is for the people I described indeed. That's the kind of "petty fun".
"it's happening... But in a way not desirable for some people".
They also own these IPs, Except for Heavy Rain.
Owning the IP doesn't mean they can't have a deal with the studio who made the game to release it on other platforms (PC).
There really isn't enough data to make a statement like this. It's also way too broad because while it might be true for some multiplats it's certainly not true for all or even most multiplats.
Only really Ubisoft gives platform breakdowns for their revenue and PC was the biggest platform the last two quarters, one of which The DIvision 2 launched in. For Ubisoft atleast PS4 is never even close to being more than 50% of the market. It's currently not even their biggest platform.
those games are first party. death stranding is first party as well.
yeah, it's really sad.
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Xbox is still their primary competitor, I agree, but if what they said were a complete lie, you'd see more of their games on PC, not just a handful of indie releases.
Sony doesn't have problems with 3rd party console exclusive games (SFV, Nioh etc.). They don't have ownership over these games, though, so they'd rather have Xbox excluded from the equation than PC. It comes down to who is a bigger threat for them, and that's still Xbox.
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If a big EGS wad of cash is what it takes for this or any other game to make it to PC then so be it.
That said, given Sony owns the trademark for this, I don't expect it to make it to PC soon. Soon as in within one year at least.
Will be pleasantly surprised if it does as it's unlikely I'll get this one at launch anyway.
That said, given Sony owns the trademark for this, I don't expect it to make it to PC soon. Soon as in within one year at least.
Will be pleasantly surprised if it does as it's unlikely I'll get this one at launch anyway.
I was just about to post this. Console wars shit brought to PC.
How is it screwing it up, the outrage at !!!!!!!SHOCKER!!!!!!! having to use another launcher is funny from an outside perspective and will continue to be, it's still available on your platform of choice you're just being a baby about it
Yes lol
That way there's reveling in suffering both ways. Nobody has to feel left out when it comes to heartache.
Yeah this will totally be released on PC. Next Gen will be interesting. Chances are getting higher every day that PC will become my primary platform with more and more "exclusive" games ending up on PC.
Did I say that ?
No. But people knows a lot of people dont want to use it.
It doesn't matter if it's right or not. It's the intent that matters.
"if it's not exclusive anymore, I hope there'll be downsides for the others".
Heartache because more people gets to play it ?
Not anymore because the fucking well is poisoned and it's their fault.
Yes. This doesn't seem like a hard question to figure out. Nobody likes hearing "PC Master race" and no compromises mentality bullshit all day. It's patronizing.
So as I said, some sort of vengeance mentality going on.
"Those smug pricks took OUR game. So I hope they'll mess it up in a way or another, that'd be HILARIOUS".
Yeah, it reminds me outrage from PC warriors when D3, X-Com 2 and Civ V were announced for other platforms.
Reminds me of the outrage from Sony warriors when xcom 2 wasn't releasing on console at launch. I can play this stupid game all day long.
I've already answered yes 3 times. How many times does it take for you to accept that as an answer?
Probably 3 or 4 times more because it's really hard to accept myself that there can be people this petty
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