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Death Stranding is being review bombed on Metacritic

NoMoreTrolls

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,219
Texas
I agree that review bombing is pretty dumb especially if there is nothing heinous about the game (such micro-transactions/lootboxes/promotes bigotry). But in this case the game is getting an equal amount of praise from Kojima admirers and on the other end there are the review bombs from what one can assume are Kojima detractors and or individuals who are against console exclusives.

Seems that in the end it's actually balancing out. Kojima has probably the largest fan-base of any game developer out there so of course there will be people who hate that, it's unavoidable even if his games weren't controversial.
Let me know how a game that has an aggregate review score of an 8 from professional critics, which would likely garner no lower than a 5 or 6 (3 points lower than the aggregate) from a person who hates it if they were being honest due to the game's core competence and craft, having a ton of reviews at 0 (8 points lower than the critical aggregate) balances out with the slew of equally bullshit 10s (2 points above the critical aggregate). A 0 is 4x the magnitude away from the more reasonable critic score, and thus has a greater impact on the user score aggregate.
 

pld

Member
Oct 27, 2017
5,611
Furthermore, why have a game's user reviews open the moment it comes out, when nobody has had time to actually play it?
That is something that has bothered me for a while now and it's not only Metacritic but also Amazon reviews. The user review sections should go live weeks after the game has launched.
 

P-MAC

Member
Nov 15, 2017
2,059
They should get rid of user reviews entirely. They don't add anything.

I can either make my own decisions about what to buy, or if I want to read advice and thoughts about it, I want that to be someone that's super knowledgeable about gaming, or an enthusiast on the genre, or a reviewer I know has comparable tastes to me.

Derek from around the corner has nothing to tell me about Death Stranding.
 

Black_Red

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,469
This is the one game where getting tons of 0z and tons of 10s in user reviews will be consistent with critics reviews lol.
 

mutantmagnet

Member
Oct 28, 2017
8,654
Day 1 reviews are basically hype and anti-hype meters. More websites should follow MMORPG.com's method of actually having a hype meter and a review meter.
 

15prints

Member
May 9, 2019
95
Right. That helps for sure.
More context on that guy if you will:
-He is a playstation hater and goes on and on about its downfall and decadecnce and stuff.
-Lives out of controversies
-Well known for not understanding technicall stuff (once he was complaning about sony for saying ps4 pro was gonna be cooler-or something on those lines- because he understood cooler as in "cool beans" instead of cold).
-Just saw his twitter feed and has published 3 DS videos.
I don't know what he did, and I really don't want to watch any os his videos to find out.
TL;DR: he is very obnoxious
 
Oct 27, 2017
978
Does anyone genuinely place any stock into user reviews? 9.9 times out of 10 the author can barely string together a coherent sentence let alone give a well thought out critique.
 

RadCatDad

Member
Feb 27, 2019
1,140
Journalists vs someone at home with nothing else to do but shit on video games. Who do we trust!?!?!?
 

ghostcrew

Spooking
Moderator
Oct 27, 2017
9,687
United Kingdom
The game came out today. Any user review today is basically pointless. Whether that's one of the 10s, one of the zeros or anything in between.
 

Ryo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,206
It was always going to happen with this game 0/10s from people that haven't played the game but want to shit on it for being a "walking sim" and 10/10s from people wanting to compensate for the 0/10s.

I haven't even read them but I know there'll be a 10 with a disclaimer that the game is actually an 8 or something. Just remove them.
 

KirikaPirin

Banned
Jun 6, 2019
336
The history of the users are a goldmine of cringe comedy.

Yep, as expected some childish xboys are into console wars as always because Death Stranding not being on their platform sure stings some asses. They could've been smarter at least and waited for some days as the game released literally today. Goddamn embarrassing. The last time I remember when console fanatics were this hard on an exclusive game was Uncharted 4. On the other hand in a week when lots of people finish the game thousands of positive user scores will flood this pointless hate parade. MC should have had some preventive user hate/fan measures for years now, moderating won't help in the early days of release, maybe they should create some form of reputation scale for users or lock user scores for AAA games for some days just so that the universal score would fair: give time for people to play the game and haters could hate later.
 

Dyno

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
3,896
User reviews certainly still have some merit, just not in this industry where the fanbase are either children or have the maturity of a child anyway. Hell even movie reviews are becoming more useless too, but I mean its gaming, we ARE the home of the childish fanbase
 

Hadok

Member
Feb 14, 2018
3,165
Well user reviews are trash so no surprise.

Ex: Life is Strange 2 episode 1 :(5.5/10)

user reviews:

"Feels more like a far-left ideological propaganda piece than a game "
"why do devs need to push their leftist views in video games, I don't care about american politics"
"Another racist (stereotyping white men), heavy handed SJW political story "

"So many stereotypes in just a short episode. Everything is there you need nowadays:
The poor but honest Mexican immigrant family that innocently gets accused of a crime.
The interracial couple."

etc...
 

Dierce

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,041
Let me know how a game that has an aggregate review score of an 8 from professional critics, which would likely garner no lower than a 5 or 6 (3 points lower than the aggregate) from a person who hates it if they were being honest due to the game's core competence and craft, having a ton of reviews at 0 (8 points lower than the critical aggregate) balances out with the slew of equally bullshit 10s (2 points above the critical aggregate). A 0 is 4x the magnitude away from the more reasonable critic score, and thus has a greater impact on the user score aggregate.
Professional critics have their own biases. Some of them giving this game a 10 even though they claim that it has its fair share of problems is clear bias but it's ok. They can do whatever they want and I respect that. It means just a much to give this game a 10 as it does an 0 to me personally.
 

Goddo Hando

Member
Oct 25, 2017
647
Chicago
the only user reviews i care about are from you guys *d'aaaaaaaw*

metacritic should just hide the user reviews on the front page, who gives a shit--- i'm here for the pro opinions anyway
 

Black_Red

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,469
They should get rid of user reviews entirely. They don't add anything.

I can either make my own decisions about what to buy, or if I want to read advice and thoughts about it, I want that to be someone that's super knowledgeable about gaming, or an enthusiast on the genre, or a reviewer I know has comparable tastes to me.

Derek from around the corner has nothing to tell me about Death Stranding.
What about 1000 Dereks?

Theb asic Idea behind user reviews, is that it hows you the % of people that like or hate a game, thats good data, the problem, is that in reality, only the people with strong opinions about the game will take time to review it, so, people that really dislike a game for a reason, fanboy wars or really big gans of the game.
 
Aug 23, 2018
291
I can not remember the last time I looked at a Metacritic user review score and had it affect my purchasing decision.

My copy of DS is 10 stops away, let’s go!
 

NoMoreTrolls

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
7,219
Texas
Professional critics have their own biases. Some of them giving this game a 10 even though they claim that it has its fair share of problems is clear bias but it's ok. They can do whatever they want and I respect that. It means just a much to give this game a 10 as it does an 0 to me personally.
Whatever you say, man. I'm not gonna try to convince you that math exists, and that math shows how absurd negative reviews have more impact than absurd positive reviews despite your personal opinion about that fact.

At the end of the day, metacritic user scores are worthless either way.
 

FairyEmpire

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,588
Unmoderated ones. Era would probably be the same crap if it wasn't moderated.
Even here you definitely get a bit of that, but the fear of further moderation probably makes a lot of people shy away. Still, speaking of Death Stranding, how many threads did we have about the game or directly inspired by the relatively disappointing reviews? A thread conveniently asked if reviews should still be trusted, another wondered if DS is the most ambitious game ever or something... the mass hysteria on both sides became pretty tiring. With this game it seems that it either has to be the best thing since sliced bread because Kojima is the biggest genius ever and without evil Konami he'll just spawn out masterpiece after masterpiece, or that Kojima is a hack and everything he does is trash. Very hard to find a meaningful middle ground even on a moderated forum such as this one. Not a surprise that less strict places are a cesspool tbh.

And yeah, the issue is the unmoderated reviews, not user reviews per se. When a site doesn't put in enough effort to take away reviewing privileges from people who clearly have not touched the product, this is what happens.
 

Sams88

Member
Oct 9, 2019
124
Anyone who spends any time on social media is well aware this generation has been a nightmare for fanboys of a certain platform. It started with US based Youtube channels pumping out nonsense. That’s faded away.......now we just have channels doing unpaid shilling. The review bombing and fake ‘downgrade’ comparisons tend to come from the Brazilian community. For whatever reason.
 

Leviathan

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,293
Isn't it reasonable to think that just as many people are aggressively promoting it too? It seems like Kojima has far more stans than he does critics, especially if Era is any indicator. I mean, people have been apologizing for this game since before we knew anything about it.
 

dlauv

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,273
Damn, Metacritic should figure this out becauase literally dozens actually give a shit about user reviews outside of Steam.
 

Rosebud

Member
Apr 16, 2018
6,364
Isn't it reasonable to think that just as many people are aggressively promoting it too? It seems like Kojima has far more stans than he does critics, especially if Era is any indicator. I mean, people have been apologizing for this game since before we knew anything about it.
The user review score is very low, so he doesn't have more "stans" than "haters", or the fans aren't giving 10's on MC.
 

Leviathan

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,293
The user review score is very low, so he doesn't have more "stans" than "haters", or the fans aren't giving 10's on MC.
That's not really how it works, because that assumes that every single review is a false 0 or a false 10. Even if the game just came out for most, I'm sure a fair number of reviewers just genuinely loved or hated it.

This isn't really a reliable way of getting a total tally of stans and critics.
 

Ebtesam

Member
Apr 1, 2018
3,294
Yep, as expected some childish xboys are into console wars as always because Death Stranding not being on their platform sure stings some asses. They could've been smarter at least and waited for some days as the game released literally today. Goddamn embarrassing. The last time I remember when console fanatics were this hard on an exclusive game was Uncharted 4. On the other hand in a week when lots of people finish the game thousands of positive user scores will flood this pointless hate parade. MC should have had some preventive user hate/fan measures for years now, moderating won't help in the early days of release, maybe they should create some form of reputation scale for users or lock user scores for AAA games for some days just so that the universal score would fair: give time for people to play the game and haters could hate later.
Come one it's came from both Sides and here some for you

 

Rosebud

Member
Apr 16, 2018
6,364
That's not really how it works, because that assumes that every single review is a false 0 or a false 10. Even if the game just came out for most, I'm sure a fair number of them just genuinely loved or hated it.
You can see that 90% of 0 or 1 reviews are in spanish, so there's a movement.

Come one it's came from both Sides and here some for you

LM 3 and Gears 5 have a good user score though, so it wasn't a big movement. SoT was polemic from the start.
 

Nzyme32

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,029
When the end result is a score far lower than the critic average (critics are just gamers who got early copies in this case), it's clear that the balance of the review bombing is resulting in a lower score than is likely.
So your telling me it’s impossible for users to have a differing opinion to critics?
 

VariantX

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,071
Columbia, SC
I definitely never pay any attention to metacritic user reviews. Any one can post any thing and give any rating for whatever reason. Plenty of trash 0 and 10 reviews that offer nothing.