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December Wrasslin' |OT|: It's the Most Carny Time of the Year

Oct 26, 2017
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Question: Is this always a bad thing? I'm sure they're aiming for "some people have the prestige and they can ask for a title shot whenever they want". Is that just BS?
For the HW and Jr. tags no, as that been happening in NJPW for a long time. But it is bad booking, as it de-valuates the tag league. Like if the Bucks can come and do that, then any tag that has won the Title in NJPW could say they also deserve it. And that is how you end with boring tag gauntlets. Honestly, both tag leagues need to be moved.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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I haven' tbeen keeping up over the last few days so I'm behind on the newz...

You would hope that NWA mark Trips at least takes some lessons on the negatives of what happened with the WWF expansion but we've known pretty much since NXT got rebranded that the ultimate goal was a global "territory" like system except all the promotions are owned by one entity. It could also potentially be worse depending on where it goes.

That said, I'm not sure the AWA is the best example to use, that's like blaming Vince for the collapse of WCCW, I get the most easily recognizable but even without Vince the AWA wasn't going to make it out of the early 90s as long as Verne was in charge even without Vince's raiding, much of which did got through Hogan in the case of the AWA where a lot of people were frustrated with Verne to begin with. If Vince didn't do it someone else would have, Turner would've still bought out Crockett and probably gone a similar route. The real victims were the smaller, more local territories that WWE muscled in on who in no way could compete with the WWF's production which pushed them out their TV slots on top of losing their top talent.
 
For the HW and Jr. tags no, as that been happening in NJPW for a long time. But it is bad booking, as it de-valuates the tag league. Like if the Bucks can come and do that, then any tag that has won the Title in NJPW could say they also deserve it. And that is how you end with boring tag gauntlets. Honestly, both tag leagues need to be moved.
No no no, not "I won the tag titles". That qualifies any goober who was a transitional champ. No, we're talking people like the Bucks. The best other example I can think is John Cena or Hiroshi Tanahashi. People who always have some kind of gold around their waists. People who, just having titles makes title look more prestigious. Those sorts of people.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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No no no, not "I won the tag titles". That qualifies any goober who was a transitional champ. No, we're talking people like the Bucks. The best other example I can think is John Cena or Hiroshi Tanahashi. People who always have some kind of gold around their waists. People who, just having titles makes title look more prestigious. Those sorts of people.
The Bucks are new to the HW scene in NJPW, they are only a one time HW tag champions, so I do not think that qualifies them as a Tanahashi for their division q:

But it is bad booking as it makes wrestlers like KES (that have won many HW tag titles) or even G.O.D. have an argument just for the amount of tag titles that they have won.

Like it is not as bad as Cody getting multiple IWGP WH title chances (once for winning the US title, the other for who knows), but it looks bad coming after the tag league.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Like imagine if Okada interrupted a Tanahashi/Omega promo and said as the ex-IWGP HW champion he deserved a chance at WK. Then Naito comes and says as the most popular wrestler in Japan, he deserves one too. Then Gedo makes the singles match a 4 way for the IWGP HW title.
 
Like imagine if Okada interrupted a Tanahashi/Omega promo and said as the ex-IWGP HW champion he deserved a chance at WK. Then Naito comes and says as the most popular wrestler in Japan, he deserves one too. Then Gedo makes the singles match a 4 way for the IWGP HW title.
I don't have the aversion to 3 and 4 way matches ya'll do, but it does sound more ridiculous when it's like that.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I don't have the aversion to 3 and 4 way matches ya'll do, but it does sound more ridiculous when it's like that.
My problem is that this happens after the Tag League. Like you have several teams fighting for weeks to get a chance at the titles at WK and then some teams just come and demand chances. That is why I do not like it. Maybe change the date of the Tag League or something.
 
My problem is that this happens after the Tag League. Like you have several teams fighting for weeks to get a chance at the titles at WK and then some teams just come and demand chances. That is why I do not like it. Maybe change the date of the Tag League or something.
I don't disagree with this either. Frankly, the way this is set up is weird. The World Tag League is in December, but the Super Jr. Tag League is just a month before it. One or both of them need to move. January's basically empty, push one of them there.
 
Dec 15, 2017
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Only in sports and wrestling do people get shit on for taking up a promising career opportunity with a bigger company LOL. In most industries people are congratulated for it. The UK guys still busting their asses on the indies between NXT tapings especially don't deserve it.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The UK guys still busting their asses on the indies between NXT tapings especially don't deserve it.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with those lads saying "I want to get paid/realise a lifelong dream in working for the biggest wrestling promotion in the world", but can get fucked with the whole "WWE is a benevolent entity that can co-exist with independent wrestling, in-spite of all historic evidence to the contrary!" spiel, frankly.