if some people being mean online is enough to convince you that progressive policies aren't worth voting for then you're too far gone to care about.
First polls close 7:00 PM EST. So expect exit polling at that time.
18 or so. First polls close at 7pm EST (VT and VA) and 7:30pm EST (NC). Usually results start rolling in within an hour.
biden has the "momentum" but reading the tea leaves i'm not too sure much is different pre-south carolina and endorsements/dropouts. i think most primary voters are already set on bernie or "other", which is probs beneficial to bernie
I mean basically. Biden does the best in states dems cannot win. But if it turns out that he’s (at least) competitive w/ Bernie everywhere else also, despite putting very little effort in those states - then I mean idk; all that work and money progressive voters put in seems incredibly meaningless.
Its starting to feel like Bernie didn't do enough in the south, once again, to close the margins and make them more competitive. Which was arguably his most fatal mistake last time around.
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Yeah I figured he was gonna lose to Biden because of this but I had hope after Biden floundered in the first 3 states more than anyone expected and Bernie won 3 in a row. :/
Not much you can do vs Southern machine politics. The Democratic party is at its most corrupt in the South- this is why Bloomberg did so well for a bit- the money talked the most down in the South.
And your solution is to push the candidate that lost to Hillary Clinton? The candidate who cares so much about people of color, that he literally skipped over the South in 2016 and just within the past week claimed that black people in South Carolina weren't REAL working class Americans? Give me a break. Sanders is an outsider fighting for the working class who is also a millionaire and has been in congress for decades. Yeah, he talks a good talk, but I have zero confidence that him being on the top of the ticket is a positive force. You honestly believe we have a chance of flipping red seats in the Senate with Fox News blasting SOCIALISM SOCIALISM SOCIALISM propaganda 24/7?
Apology accepted. Your first mistake was thinking that you're the only people who care about the issues occurring in America. We can't even get Obamacare to stick and you think the country is just going to magically leapfrog it? That's not how the world works. You know what sucks more than incremental change? No change because the country rejects your platform. Sanders' platform is struggling to reach a majority in a contested primary but you think the whole country is just going to embrace it with open arms?
I think it’s true. It’s still possible that Bernie does really well tomorrow, but this is my take as well. I noticed this particularly when his Mississippi comments came out. Like why are you worried about white voters in a democratic primary in Mississippi? It just seems so out of touch. i get that he only has limited time to devote to each state, but not doing more in S.C. was a big mistake.
I’m sorry, but this is ethically impoverished. If the self-evident moral clarity of the movement does not cancel out a mild to moderate amount of annoying snark, well, you’re not the target audience. You either accept that social democracy is a fight WORTH having, NECESSARY to have, or you settle for a slow drip of maybe 3-4%, if that, of what we really need to drip out of the spigot. If you genuinely believe the latter is the best we can possibly hope to achieve, then we hope you’ll vote for our movement if the opportunity comes, but you are not the core of it.
You honestly believe we have a chance of winning the senate with hunter biden blasting 24/7, from the guy who won his first state in a primary in 30+ years just two days ago? And youre not going to win this argument against Bernie when the alternative is Joe Biden. Its hilarious that anyone would even try. Like one of these people is still saying the crime bill was a good thing in 2020. Its not even a contest.
There is zero reason to think he won’t get blown out in the southern states. Meanwhile Biden looks like he’ll be viable in both Texas and California with minimal effort on his part. It’s a massive L for Bernie if it plays out like this.
We are just waiting to see if
Put the issues on the ballot and I'll vote for them. I vote for issues, not demagogues. If Sanders and his supporters don't want allies, congratulations. Make sure to spread the good word on Twitter and Reddit as well. Lmao at trying to build a coalition but shitting on everyone who doesn't fall in line. Who's taking voters for granted and who isn't?
You're right. No one wants it. Clearly Sanders has zero support
Are you gonna provide a source for that or are we just openly making things up now?
Pretty privileged position to take to thumb your nose at people who are angry at how embarrassingly bad this country is.
For trying to paint every opponent as a troll, you're engaging in extremely trolly behavior. I do not think getting medicare for all will be easy. I think it will be exceptionally difficult. I think we will have to drag the country kicking and screaming to that position. I find Sanders victory merely a step 1.
I actually think people are overestimating it. At least compared to any other nonsense scandal the GOP will cook up.
Biden is literally out here aggressively telling people not to vote for him.
Well first, if you think the Hunter Biden thing is bad, you haven't seen anything yet. Trump and the entire GOP have literally been pushing for Bernie to be the nominee (and reciting the "rigged" narrative) for the however many months. I'm going to guess they're not doing it because they want to reach across the aisle and vote for him.
There is so much baggage, including everything that was dragging down Hillary in 2016. The Iraq War vote ALONE should be a sinkable thing.
which makes it very weird that folks are so afraid he's going to defeat bernie's grassroots army or whatever
...wait does this mean Biden is going to switch bodies with Bernie?
They're going to go overdrive on absolutely everything, regardless of who gets the nom. There's no avoiding it.
Very strong pigeon energy with your all lower case, punctuation-less posts!
That people think Bernie being a socialist is going to be more damaging than months of Burisma chatter by the freshly-acquitted talk is a sign of how truly fucked this country is right now.
honestly, I disagree
Democrats would probably want to compromise with us more if we were a separate party if history is any indicator.
We're on this track and there's no getting off it. We just can't see what the end looks like.
I'm gonna keep asking you to respond to this. Cite the source where Sanders said black people in South Carolina aren't real working class Americans.
At the end of the day, it’s the voters not the DNC. If you can’t convince your own party, how will you convince the rest of the nation?
I was talking about debates. If it goes to a contested convention I'm 99% sure Warren would give her delegates to Bernie
It is almost irrelevant right now. The conservative Democrats who are endorsing Biden now have nothing to do with the DNC preferring Biden to Bernie (though they clearly do). The preoccupation with Bernie being cheated by the DNC is strange because Bernie is losing the popular vote to Biden right now; and may lose again tomorrow.
we live in a country where we elect officials to enact policy, so they are more or less on the ballot. this is why people like you are literally worthless. your head's too far up your own ass about what politics is or isn't.
i guess i just assume that bernie has earned people's votes
I'll resign myself to four more years of Trump if Biden is the nom. I won't canvass, I won't phonebank. I'll vote for him like a good little stooge and assume to wake up the next day to Trump's victory speech. Then I might turn in my Democrat party registration and go Independent. Fuck it.
