I mean for the Bernie brothers, they can at least take solace that the environment itself will more than likely foster some level of revolution in the future. A revolution that the working class will lose but a revolution nonetheless.
I doubt he whole cloth called the voters of SC "not working class" do you have a source for that?
You just dismissed that entire rebuttal based on some bad faith bs to his quote. Seriously, why is that by him attacking the very very wealthy, of which they are literally buying off politicians to do their bidding, an example of his failure in coalition building? What part of his talking points makes you question that?
I'm not saying it's a game, but as others have said, helping everyone isn't politically viable. Some will die, mostly the poor, but it seems like it's the will of the American people. Not enough electoral energy behind helping everyone - coalition building exercises entails compromise and that generally means the poor lose out as they are the most disposable in that conversation, severely lacking representation.
Clearly not enough to be politically viable.
I very much doubt the movement survives this. This is very much last chance saloon stuff. The people behind Bernie, the biggest political names all nascent careers and are vulnerable to either changing course policy wise or simply losing power. They certainly don't have the clout to pick this whole thing back up after Bernie fails, the backlash from those who opposed him will be incredible. It will make AOC and co think twice about continuing down this route.
Ooooffff, when you say it like that... you might be right. I can see how so many people would be extremely dispirited if he loses right now.
I am mostly concerned about how the US would continue to be a slave to Israel and AIPAC if he becomes president. With Bernie at least US-Israel will be shaken off somewhat, but with Biden? I don't have any hope.
This. Electability, pragmatism and safe candidates are a fucking disease in the Democratic Party. In theory, I don’t even mind people voting Warren at this stage, if only the people voting Biden due to “electability” concerns would vote for the candidate whose policies they like the most rather than playing it safe. Media and elites have done a great job at convincing people to vote against their interests in order to avoid a racist Republican in office.
It's about beating the establishment, or beating Bernie now. That's how much each side has grown to dislike the other.
I knew Trump had a decent chance when he stole Bernie's trade talking points.
If only multi-party coalition governments were a thing. Maybe if there was a proper left party that could come up with a progressive agenda together with the moderates, there'd be a big enough platform that most left leaning folks could agree on. Though, honestly, I'd sooner expect moderates to work with center-right than the left at this point.
It’s basically coin flip of who gets a plurality and a coin flip if either get a majority.
Hey, let me just mention this program called the Green New Deal. Sounds like the perfect one-two punch with M4A to *any* progressive candidate to champion. If Bernie does not get the nomination, the movement will continue to grow. Its movements that build Bernie to be strong like he is now, not the other way around. "not me, us" is more than just a slogan.
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Well he mostly was referring to the black voters of SC via process of elimination. The full context was; In an interview after the SC results came in, he said he thought they did won with working class voters in the state—the problem is he lost every category of black voters which leaves basically white working class voters. This is consistently an issue for Sanders, he prioritizes class over race. He could have easily acknowledged they underperformed which was disappointing, but they’re committed to winning over all working class voters across the country. It would have acknowledged that in his mind working class voters were his priority, and that included black working class voters that didn’t vote for him.
Read my above quote.
To be very crude, they are two sides of raw, emotional reactions to Trump.
This is a stretch. He never says he's doing well with all working-class people, just that he's doing winning working-class people by big numbers.Bernie Sanders Throws South Carolina Voters Under The Bus By Claiming They Aren’t Working Class
If he wants to win the Democratic nomination, Sanders is going to have to change the way he talks about African American voters.
“When we talk about South Carolina, and when we talk about other places, we are winning working-class people by big numbers,” the Vermont senator said.
That implies the people who voted for Biden weren't working class. Black people to be specific.
My observation is if the number of people that claimed they wanted to vote for her just voted for her she might be doing better. Rather than doing 4D Electoral Calculus, why not support the candidate you most identify with?
...the Democratic base there is almost entirely black, and he got walloped across the board by black voters. Either he knew what he was saying or he’s kind of dumb and didn’t consider the obvious ramifications of what he was saying. Neither is a good look.
Given the history of the left in America, I think i'm fairly confident in saying that it is indeed just a slogan, as much as anyone wants it to be otherwise. The GND will be butchered to be politically viable or may never even see the light of day.
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If there is one thing that the status quo does well, it is to make people think that better things are indeed not possible. That is just a mirage. Things can change quickly, and not just in one direction. There were better times in the US too.
I really don’t understand the whole “the system brought us Trump and Bernie will fix it” thing. How exactly does Bernie fix Trump being possible?
Ignore shit results in early contests and tout her fundraising totals and debate performances?? It's not that hard to understand.
Yep, I'm on the other side of the world and would never in my life have thought that a political ad could do anything other than inspire either indifference or revulsion in me, but this moved me to tears. Even showed it to my parents who have less than zero interest in American politics and they ended up sending it to family we have in Cali.This is a fantastic two-minute video for Bernie. Shared by AOC:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
“What do they call doing the same thing over and over again,& expecting different results? If we do not run a strong, progressive candidate that directly addresses the core crises Americans face, we take a major risk. The time is now. Vote @BernieSanders. https://t.co/rzaKXx0Tk6”
I have chills just by listening.
Yup, they nip in the bud any contemplation of change. And they make you rationalize it all by convincing you that the system is how it is and couldn't be altered to accommodate the will of the people.
Already been posted in this thread :p but it's a great track (and almost anything Phil recorded). I feel like this could be an anthem for all the Biden bros out there.
Ah I didn't realize it's already been posted! Great minds think alike!
That comment section is a fucking messAlexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter
“What do they call doing the same thing over and over again,& expecting different results? If we do not run a strong, progressive candidate that directly addresses the core crises Americans face, we take a major risk. The time is now. Vote @BernieSanders. https://t.co/rzaKXx0Tk6”
I have chills just by listening.
If there is one thing that the status quo does well, it is to make people think that better things are indeed not possible. That is just a mirage. Things can change quickly, and not just in one direction. There were better times in the US too.
It could be altered if the will of the people existed in a big enough number to completely reshape everything, but even if Bernie wins, it would seem that it doesn't.
Agreed, Vice “President Joe Biden” endorses Bernie in November
