Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

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Tfritz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Here I will do it for you:
thank u king

*Who did you vote for?
The Klob

*Are you in favor of M4A? What if I told you that you had to give up your current private insurance for it?
I'm ambivalent about it.

*What do you think matters more to you, a candidate's policies or if they can beat Trump?
Whether or not I can make fun puns and wordplay with the candidate's name.

*Do you consider yourself a liberal, conservative or moderate/centrist?
I'm the party girl, I'm the tragedy, but the funny thing is: I'm fucking everything. (An elaborate musical number where I perform Kesha's hit 2019 single "My Own Dance" would happen here)

*How old are you and what is your ethnicity?
33 and white

*Are your religious or non religious?
no

*Is this your first time voting? Who have you voted for in the past in primaries and in the general elections?
no, obama bernie clinton[/QUOTE]
 

DumpsterJuice

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Unless something has come out to show he's siphoning Bernie voters, I'm not sure you're making as strong a point as you think you are. I was pointing out how the behavior you're criticizing of some posters is literally being exhibited by the other candidate. Typically, I care more about how a candidate actually behaves rather than some posters on a gaming forum.
I care about this place more because this is where I come to congregate and converse. Believe it or not, you are an extension of your preferred candidate in some form - just look at Trump supporters.

I don’t get caught up in politics like that becuase it’s designed to cause chaos like it’s doing now. I don’t care what Joe has done and I don’t care what Bernie has done because neither has done worse that Trump. If not for Trump, I would care a little more about who’s the boogie man. I suggest more Dems move past this bickering or Trump will win 4 more years.

By the way, I’m neither Dem or Republican.
 

WillyFive

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Oct 25, 2017
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Saudi Arabia is not one person. There are factions within it just like there are here in the US. Guess which factions Sanders wasn't talking about when he was "pretty friendly on Saudi Arabia"?

Guess who was fighting to stop US aid for the war in Yemen? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/opinion/bernie-sanders-saudi-arabia-war-yemen.html

Guess who was criticizing them in 2015 while Warren was supporting them?


How deluded are you to think they are even remotely the same?
Information warfare is how campaigns are fought. Don’t be mad at someone for being shot.
 

Prodigal Son

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i come home from classes still hungover as shit, see the polls havent changed and see people on this page equating forcing saudi arabia to use their wealth to fight isis with a friendliness to saudi arabia and i want to die so bad rn
 

Rael

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Oct 26, 2017
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Odd, Bernie was pretty friendly on Saudi Arabia himself back in 2015/2016.



You are bad at this. Saudi Arabia should help us fight ISIS means he was in cahoots.
There's a reason muslims are enthusiastically voting Bernie Sanders while Biden has a pro Modi outreach coordinator and Warren doesn't even bother to put an imam in her 16 people inter-faith advisory council.
 

Trey

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As a Warren supporter, I really appreciate AOC's classiness throughout all this, she's a far better Bernie surrogate than all of the others who called Warren a snake and were demanding that she drop out. And she's right, politics irl is far more civil than the nonsense you see on the internet. Would vote for her in 2024 (not that she's likely to run).
This is uh, also exactly why Biden says stuff like wanting to go back to a time of bipartisanship and how he could even work with a racist in Congress. He gets eviscerated for stuff like that

Not that I'm disagreeing with you (or even Biden, by proxy), just keeping the perspective square. I do think there's something to be said about Extremely Online political activists/pundits, because folks really do let some wild shit fly online lmao
 

Dahbomb

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thank u king



The Klob



I'm ambivalent about it.



Whether or not I can make fun puns and wordplay with the candidate's name.



I'm the party girl, I'm the tragedy, but the funny thing is: I'm fucking everything. (An elaborate musical number where I perform Kesha's hit 2019 single "My Own Dance" would happen here)

33 and white

no

no, obama bernie clinton
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I threw away the responses when I saw that Klob (a non competing candidate) was voted for.

😂😂😂
 

Protein

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Oct 27, 2017
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Christ with the taxes. Taxes wouldn't even be an issue if we paid people a decent fucking wage.
 

SerAardvark

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you all had taken the time to learn about and support the one true candidate of the Democratic Primary, we would never have gotten to this point. This is your punishment for denying us the presidency of Wayne Messam.
 

Maolfunction

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Oct 27, 2017
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What? He's saying that they have enormous wealth and resources (which they do) and should fight ISIS. He doesn't mention Yemen at all.
His position on the Yemen fight at the time was it'd be really nice if Saudi Arabia could quit bombing them and help fight ISIS instead.

He really was not all that concerned with what was happening in Yemen. He had no criticism against Saudia Arabia for what they were doing in Yemen.

And I'm not sure where this sentiment is coming from that Bernie has far better foreign policies than anyone else in the field. His record indicates he'd be just as much a war president

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/23/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-doctrine-227193

Using his foreign policy views as a one up on Warren like they're any different is disingenuous.
 
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Chaos Legion

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Oct 30, 2017
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What on earth are you even trying to say here? I’m not saying Sanders invented the concept, I’m saying he fundamentally shifted political discourse in the US.
The discourse about universal healthcare has been going on for a lot longer than 5 years.

He pushed/continues to push for a type of universal healthcare and maybe even popularized that approach, for sure.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, because nothing says diplomacy and respect like the Bush campaign spreading rumors that McCain had an illegitimate black child right before primaries in the south. I think you've got some real selective memory, friend, because I've been following these primaries just as long as you and they're always nasty.

The difference this time is that the working class and the poor are fighting fire with fire, so NOW of course it's a matter of CIVILITY.
I did forget about that from 20 years ago. Personally, I don't think that we should be trying to model our campaigns off of ... George W. Bush. Not really the best person to emulate if you're a Democrat.

And, of course, we're back to the false equivalency. The idea that the disgusting attacks on Elizabeth Warren and her supporters are "just fighting fire with fire," like as if Warren is some enemy of the working class or something. But, I suppose that's in line with dehumanizing Buttigieg as a vermin, and whatever other things are "fair play." You forgot to quote me and say "But what about the tolerant left??!" or whatever other meme responses are used to shield disgusting attacks on Democrats.

I am not giving anyone an excuse to be toxic to any other group. But the internet and online culture shaping peopels view and how they interact with eachother is somehting that is indeed the new normal. Its not going away probably ever. The nature of the beast is people now have license to express what they feel and what their beliefs are more fervently because there are barriers that dont exist when typing on forums or responding on reddit. If the Internet is an outlet for peoepl to share what the truly believe its something that has to be adapted to, not the other way around.
I think you're right that this is the new normal just as a fact of existence. As reliable press gets eroded away by attacks on the free press from Trump and others, as every fact gets perceived as "an alternative fact" or "your fact versus my fact," it'll certainly only get worse.
 

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If Bernie loses, I hate to say it, but probably better now than the primary. I understand the Bernie love, but he definitely is hard for centrist to swallow. Progress always will be, so I get it. But Bernie said it himself last night at the Minnesota rally, the differences between the Dem candidates pale in comparison to Trump. So let's suck it up either way and rally behind the candidate.
 

y2dvd

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I really admire Warren for ultimately being for M4A. But it also doesn't surprise me she isn't too warm to Bernie anymore after the way people treated her since January.
I honestly don't get this. Random online fans can be toxic. So don't support or remains with the candidates because of it?

Jump to the 4:30 mark. There are toxic supporters on all sides, but damn you only hear about it from one side. Focusing on a small fraction of this is so tiresome.
 

The Albatross

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Ok so as a Bernie supporter who doesn't participate in toxic discourse (at least I hope I didn't) and never called anyone a rat or a snake, what are we supposed to do? It feels like our movement is getting narratively railroaded by the toxic online supporters.
I think that's really good question and difficult, because it means calling people out who we agree with ideologically and defending those who call those people out. While Sanders hasn't been my first choice in the primary, I tried to call people out for threads/attacks that I thought were unfair, like the one about him not disclosing his health reports or something or the ones about him not disclosing getting support from Russia on social media. Counter-balancing the toxic narrative with facts. Unfortunately, as is the case with my posts where I've taken issue with people being nasty, you usually get ridiculed by your own side... E.g., "Oh what about the tollerant left," pearl clutching memes, and all sorts of other brainless replies, and those you just gotta be happy getting shit on by people who you're voting alongside.
 

Maolfunction

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Quoting snippets from Politico apparently is impossible, sorry about the borked post there. Edited it just with the news link.
 

Prodigal Son

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if elizabeth warren ended her doomed candidacy yesterday bernie would have won today and bernie would become the nominee and probably beat donald trump.
instead joe biden is going to crush today and be the nominee and who knows what happens with him vs trump when no one under 45 could be fucking bothered to show up in november. has any of this happened yet? no. am i catastrophizing? absolutely. Am i gonna drink more in the middle of the afternoon? you bet baby
 

Ziltoidia 9

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Even if Bernie does well tonight, I anticipate the pundits moving the "moderate vote" over into Biden's numbers to make it seem like he won.
 

auicc

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Of course my state (Florida) won't let me vote in the primary because I am registered as NPA. I'm pretty much voting for whoever is going against Trump, but since this state is backwards, they won't give me a say on who that person should be. Hopefully Bernie Sanders will win.
 

carlsojo

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if elizabeth warren ended her doomed candidacy yesterday bernie would have won today and bernie would become the nominee and probably beat donald trump.
instead joe biden is going to crush today and be the nominee and who knows what happens with him vs trump when no one under 45 could be fucking bothered to show up in november. has any of this happened yet? no. am i catastrophizing? absolutely. Am i gonna drink more in the middle of the afternoon? you bet baby
We may not agree on a candidate but at least we can agree on day drinking!
 

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if elizabeth warren ended her doomed candidacy yesterday bernie would have won today and bernie would become the nominee and probably beat donald trump.
instead joe biden is going to crush today and be the nominee and who knows what happens with him vs trump when no one under 45 could be fucking bothered to show up in november. has any of this happened yet? no. am i catastrophizing? absolutely. Am i gonna drink more in the middle of the afternoon? you bet baby
Jesus dude.

At least put up some kind of hope. There's plenty of chance to win no matter who the candidate is.

And Warren has a right to run and see how it goes today.
 

Anoregon

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Also not an issue if you don't have to pay premiums or other healthcare costs.
I love how impossible a concept this is for people to grasp. I know a lot of it is intentional misrepresentation and disingenuous, but still.
There's a large amount of people in this country who would rather spend $5,000 a year on insurance than pay $0 but have a $2,000 a year tax increase. (numbers from my ass).
 

Stellar

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His position on the Yemen fight at the time was it'd be really nice if Saudi Arabia could quit bombing them and help fight ISIS instead.

He really was not all that concerned with what was happening in Yemen. He had no criticism against Saudia Arabia for what they were doing in Yemen.

And I'm not sure where this sentiment is coming from that Bernie has far better foreign policies than anyone else in the field. His record indicates he'd be just as much a war president

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/23/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-doctrine-227193

Usingbhis foreign policy views as a one up on Warren like they're any different is disingenuous.
One of the key aspects about the war in yemen is how hard the Obama administration tried to cover up what was going on. There was extremely, and I mean extremely little coverage in the media and even less coming from the Obama administration. It took years for people to really see what a disaster that conflict was.

Now you're trying to downplay his criticism of Saudi Arabia and claiming he'd be just as much of a war president as the others when Bernie was one of the extremely few senators on record to oppose the Iraq war and who regularly criticizes american foreign policy is, again, completely delusional. None of what you are saying is based on reality.
 

JeTmAn

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If Bernie loses, I hate to say it, but probably better now than the primary. I understand the Bernie love, but he definitely is hard for centrist to swallow. Progress always will be, so I get it. But Bernie said it himself last night at the Minnesota rally, the differences between the Dem candidates pale in comparison to Trump. So let's suck it up either way and rally behind the candidate.
Pretty much. The Bernie or bust people will help nobody but their archenemy Donald Trump if they're unwilling coalesce around a nominee whose name is not Bernie Sanders.
 

Apharmd

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if elizabeth warren ended her doomed candidacy yesterday bernie would have won today and bernie would become the nominee and probably beat donald trump.
instead joe biden is going to crush today and be the nominee and who knows what happens with him vs trump when no one under 45 could be fucking bothered to show up in november. has any of this happened yet? no. am i catastrophizing? absolutely. Am i gonna drink more in the middle of the afternoon? you bet baby
I've got a few hours yet before I start having a few myself. Don't follow the ST results too closely as they come in and wait for reasonable amounts to be tallied, or you'll end up with alcohol poisoning, lol...
 

Trey

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Is she implying that her plan would get rid of my premiums, deductibles, co-pays AND not increase taxes at all? Now that sounds like a great idea that would just cruise through the House and Senate. Maybe she should just fire off this bill right now and not wait for the Presidential elections.
She wants a more aggressive tax at the top end.
 

Kusagari

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Bernie won people without a college degree in the 90+ white states of IA/NH while losing college graduates.
 
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