Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

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Wraith

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I love the passion here, but some of you greatly need the experience of stepping out of your political "bubble." While I'm certainly not a Democratic moderate, you gotta treat other people as your potential allies (and hopeful future supporters) and have good faith conversations in bringing them to your side.

Other people love their candidates, just like you may love Bernie (and I do as well). They're heartbroken when their candidate doesn't win. I certainly wasn't a fan of Pete one bit, but when Bernie supporters are tripping over themselves to call him a "rat" and make fun of his looks all the time, it certainly doesn't endear your candidate to his supporters. Bernie supporters calling Warren a "snake" each time she posts something or constantly telling her to drop out certainly isn't endearing your preferred candidate to their supporters. To be clear, most Bernie supporters are Fan-f'n-tastic, but the extremely and very vocal minority isn't doing his candidacy any favors when it comes to outreach which he desperately needs it to win the nomination/Presidency.

Bernie has a loyal and gigantic base. But he desperately needs to expand that base. Unfortunately for him, it's never really got much more than 30% in polls. This was a big advantage when the vote was being split between a huge field, less so now. Also, "moderate voltron" isn't some conspiracy. It's politics. Politics are ugly, but consolidating the field was a inevitability.

Warren still has money. She sees her main competition in her "lane" as a 78-year-old man who recently had a heart attack who is running for the most stressful job on the planet. Is it unlikely she wins, of course! But politics are crazy and unpredictable. Bernie also gave her a life line by allowing her to be the candidate to really hammer Bloomberg when the "1%" has been his thing since the last election.

Guess what I'm saying to really no one in particular is don't be a jackass online and act "holier than thou" if for whatever reason someone doesn't prefer your flavor of candidate. The vast, vast majority of people on the left just want someone that can beat Trump and want to feel "better" than they do right now. Bernie's and Warren's plans are "new" to most. Change can be scary. If people feel trepidation about what they represent, don't slam them with petty insults. Be their ally.
Cosigned. It was inevitable that the primary fight would get uglier the further we got into the primaries; these candidates are opponents all competing for the nomination. That doesn't mean we (primary voters, supporters of various candidates) should be ugly towards each other. Or go round and round on conspiracy theories about why someone's really in the race, or why a former candidate really endorsed another, or who's really a Democrat.
 

toohectic

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Oct 27, 2017
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About to drop off my mail in ballot at a local polling place near work and I realized I filled in one too many votes for a county position. Damn!

Do I need to get a replacement ballot at my official registered polling location, or can I get a replacement at any polling location? If I submit it as is with the error, does it invalidate the entire ballot, or just that one section? My official polling location is far away from work, so if I can deal with it locally, that would be preferable.
Figured I’d check one more time with the Era group before I drive off to the polling place.
 

Stooge

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As a European, I'm holding out hope for Bernie. Get with the times, America.
I mean, maybe Europe should be focused on keeping your own alt-right from jumping in power.

I am tired of this "America is sooo regressive" trope when LePenn, Wilders, Brexit are all in the middle of a massive spike in popularity and the German coalition is edging further and further right.

I mean, right now most of the large European economies (France, Germany, England) have a center-right (or worse) candidate in charge.

America has it's fucking share of issues (Trump, healthcare, waves generally at foreign policy) but we aren't some backwater living in isolation. The whole fucking world is going through a strong lurch right.
 

newmoneytrash

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i really wish that the primary voting was just all on one day. months and months of drawing it out is just so tedious and nerve wracking. just do it all at once. if it works for the general why can’t it work for this
 

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So much of today on Facebook is pissing me off, nothing but « practical » We need to Rally behind Joe! posts with the occasional Bernie or Warren supporter holding onto hope
 

LGHT_TRSN

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Progress in a country as diverse and divisive as the US is going to be slow. That's just how it is. One of the two parties is still pissed off about a law that passed 50 fucking years ago...

We can hope for more radical change. That's what Obama in '08 was all about...but that hope can quickly turn to disillusion as the reality sets in.

Progress is progress though, and I'll take that any day over the regressive bullshit the GOP are constantly pushing.
 

Jon Carter

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I mean, maybe Europe should be focused on keeping your own alt-right from jumping in power.

I am tired of this "America is sooo regressive" trope when LePenn, Wilders, Brexit are all in the middle of a massive spike in popularity and the German coalition is edging further and further right.

I mean, right now most of the large European economies (France, Germany, England) have a center-right (or worse) candidate in charge.

America has it's fucking share of issues (Trump, healthcare, waves generally at foreign policy) but we aren't some backwater living in isolation. The whole fucking world is going through a strong lurch right.
All of those countries already have free universal health care, so the other poster is right regardless of current political troubles in Europe.
 

RDreamer

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i really wish that the primary voting was just all on one day. months and months of drawing it out is just so tedious and nerve wracking. just do it all at once. if it works for the general why can’t it work for this
yeah it kinda sucks sometimes not really getting much of a say in things because the narrative is decided with like 3 or 4 states.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Super Tuesday is a really big day, why does this have to be another conspiracy and no just someone who's working too fast fucking up? I swear the persecution complex some people have is unhealthy.
Yeah it's always an intern, we're working too hard, what do you expect??? It's just a coincidence that it was just Bernie's colors that got swapped!
 

Cyclonesweep

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Oct 29, 2017
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Super Tuesday is a really big day, why does this have to be another conspiracy and no just someone who's working too fast fucking up? I swear the persecution complex some people have is unhealthy.
Cause an infographic like that you literally just copy and change the numbers. To change the words you literally have to jump in intentionally.

It's not a persecution complex. It either has to be intentional or someone is trolling.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Super Tuesday is a really big day, why does this have to be another conspiracy and no just someone who's working too fast fucking up? I swear the persecution complex some people have is unhealthy.
It's almost like there's ample evidence the mainstream media doesn't want one candidate to win and multiple candidates just dropped out the night before super Tuesday because the democratic establishment also doesn't want that candidate to win.

It's kind of sad that Bernie having the largest number of donors in modern history's already being forget about because people want to so badly believe the narrative big money interests create that ultimately only favours a never small group of people.
 

Stoof

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I mean, maybe Europe should be focused on keeping your own alt-right from jumping in power.

I am tired of this "America is sooo regressive" trope when LePenn, Wilders, Brexit are all in the middle of a massive spike in popularity and the German coalition is edging further and further right.

I mean, right now most of the large European economies (France, Germany, England) have a center-right (or worse) candidate in charge.

America has it's fucking share of issues (Trump, healthcare, waves generally at foreign policy) but we aren't some backwater living in isolation. The whole fucking world is going through a strong lurch right.
Europe having its own alt right troubles doesn’t mean we aren’t regressive as fuck for a “developed” country.
 

Stooge

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i really wish that the primary voting was just all on one day. months and months of drawing it out is just so tedious and nerve wracking. just do it all at once. if it works for the general why can’t it work for this
The arguement for why the primary is staggered is:

1) Back in the day national media was limited in scope and local papers were more important.
2) Travel was hard, and getting into early states to begin the process of coalescing around candidates was important.
3) Cost for running would be high and prohibitive for many candidates.
4) Politics was more regional and parties were more diverse so early states were there to help winnow the field.

In 2020 with national coverage millions of debates and all of the constant coverage tells me that we should just have a national primary day.

It's also bullshit that 4 early states basically set the tone for who will be "viable", and post Super-Tuesday states are effectively just there in the event that things are actually close and winnable.

Especially with the Dem party not doing winner-take-all primaries you run into situations like 2008 and 2016 where one candidate can build a virtually unassailable lead early, which leads to extreme frustration from the runner up camp and supporters because it's tilting at windmills for another 3 months until the deed is actually done, but has "effectively" been settled already.
 

ty_hot

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Super Tuesday is a really big day, why does this have to be another conspiracy and no just someone who's working too fast fucking up? I swear the persecution complex some people have is unhealthy.
Lol it’s MSNBC and working too fast would mean “not changing colors at all”
 

Dekim

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Super Tuesday is a really big day, why does this have to be another conspiracy and no just someone who's working too fast fucking up? I swear the persecution complex some people have is unhealthy.
I mean, thats possible. But after years of Fox News pulling similar stunts (and with similar excuses) and MSNBC melting down about Bernie when there was a chance Bernie could win the nomination doesn't make me feel charitable that this was an honest mistake.
 

darkside

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Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah honestly if Bernie can't get the youth turnout turned around now he never had a chance against Trump.
 
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