Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

The EITC is a wage subsidy for low income workers. Harris's proposal is an expansion of that wage subsidy, the largest effects of which would be to cover single childless people, who are currently excluded - fixing this is a big thing Ro Khanna's talked about previously.

mael · Mar 17, 2020

Lothars said:
it could also be that Bernie isn't a good candidate and did nothing to help his chances but pretend that he could skate by

It's never going to be Bernie's fault, you should know that by now.
Last round should have taught everyone that.

Vestal · Mar 17, 2020

Just voted here in FL. Poll worker tells me that flow has been steady and higher than previous primaries even with COVID panic.

Lothars · Mar 17, 2020

mael said:
It's never going to be Bernie's fault, you should know that by now.
Last round should have taught everyone that.

I know just one of those constants

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

Here's stuff on other proposals similar to Harris's w/ EITC expansion -

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/...rats-earned-income-tax-credit-child-allowance

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...na-eitc-wages-democratic-agenda-working-class

Perspicacity · Mar 17, 2020

I'll credit Biden for having the more revolutionary campaign as he sends his base to the polls to die in waves like the red army

Znazzy · Mar 17, 2020

Perspicacity said:
I'll credit Biden for having the more revolutionary campaign as he sends his base to the polls to die in waves like the red army

Lol did you mean to write Bernie there or...?

Perspicacity · Mar 17, 2020

Znazzy said:
Lol did you mean to write Bernie there or...?

Covid doesn't kill the young

Cowardly Bernie wanted to delay the polls while Commander Biden makes no excuses for his terror.

Deleted member 4346 · Mar 17, 2020

Maryland's primary is pushed back to June, joining other states. At this point Bernie almost has to ride it out to the convention, there is too much uncertainty with the process to drop out now.

I will say, watching the press conference today, that Trump is starting to respond appropriately to the COVID-19 virus and the economic decline. He's not going to be easy to beat in November, I think he's stumbling into the right answers, and he's going to get (undeserved!) credit for maybe staving off a worst disaster. This whole thing is a nightmare.

schuelma · Mar 17, 2020

Apharmd said:
Maryland's primary is pushed back to June, joining other states. At this point Bernie almost has to ride it out to the convention, there is too much uncertainty with the process to drop out now.

? After today things are going to be even more certain

profoundcarnage · Mar 17, 2020

Why is the DNC threatening to punish states and disenfranchise voters for the crime of trying to promote public safety during a pandemic?

HipsterMorty · Mar 17, 2020

Znazzy said:
Lol did you mean to write Bernie there or...?

Seems like a dig at Biden; he claimed in the last debate that his campaign is more revolutionary because he can actually get stuff passed.

Ziltoidia 9 · Mar 17, 2020

Sunday Night Bernie said that we should follow the CDC and delay the polls.

Horrible situation.

Tamanon · Mar 17, 2020

Perspicacity said:
I'll credit Biden for having the more revolutionary campaign as he sends his base to the polls to die in waves like the red army

Fuck off with this nonsense.

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

profoundcarnage said:
Why is the DNC threatening to punish states and disenfranchise voters for the crime of trying to promote public safety during a pandemic?

Institutional knee-jerk reaction because of the 2008 bullshit, it's a bad response given the very different circumstances.

TheSpaceBetween · Mar 17, 2020

Just voted in Illinois. Polling place was basically empty. This was my first time voting, and I didn't like how they made you chose a party and sign your name before voting. I told them I had no party affiliation, and that the two party system is one of the things that's hugely wrong with our voting system. For the sake of getting my votes in though I chose Dem of course.

loquaciousJenny · Mar 17, 2020

Apharmd said:
Maryland's primary is pushed back to June, joining other states. At this point Bernie almost has to ride it out to the convention, there is too much uncertainty with the process to drop out now.

I will say, watching the press conference today, that Trump is starting to respond appropriately to the COVID-19 virus and the economic decline. He's not going to be easy to beat in November, I think he's stumbling into the right answers, and he's going to get (undeserved!) credit for maybe staving off a worst disaster. This whole thing is a nightmare.

He has a zero percent chance of winning, absolutely nothing we're seeing is uncertain but the size of one man's inflated ego.

loquaciousJenny · Mar 17, 2020

TheSpaceBetween said:
Just voted in Illinois. Polling place was basically empty. This was my first time voting, and I didn't like how they made you chose a party and sign your name before voting. I told them I had no party affiliation, and that the two party system is one of the things that's hugely wrong with our voting system. For the sake of getting my votes in though I chose Dem of course.

You're voting in a primary big dog, that's why they need to know which ballot to give you lmao

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

Illinois allowing cross-party voting in primaries is really bad and the reason a guy like Dan Lipinski isn't already gone.

supra · Mar 17, 2020

States delaying primaries past 9 June may face delegate penalty, warns DNC memo

Democratic National Committee reacts to Ohio postponement with memo that says party working with states on coronavirus measures

www.theguardian.com

Are they out of their goddamn minds?

schuelma · Mar 17, 2020

Arizona: The GOP's political bellwether

"The latest wave of polls, released in the runup to tonight's primary, show how precarious the GOP's standing is in Arizona. Every one of the four nonpartisan public polls conducted in March show Biden leading Trump, with leads ranging from one point to eight points. The numbers are even more significant after digging deeper into the polls' crosstabs."

Arkeband · Mar 17, 2020

loquaciousJenny said:
He has a zero percent chance of winning, absolutely nothing we're seeing is uncertain but the size of one man's inflated ego.

Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

Equippedwithtowel · Mar 17, 2020

supra said:
States delaying primaries past 9 June may face delegate penalty, warns DNC memo

Democratic National Committee reacts to Ohio postponement with memo that says party working with states on coronavirus measures

www.theguardian.com

Are they out of their goddamn minds?

....um wow

that's pretty bad

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

The earlier Bernie drops out, the more leverage he has to extract concessions.

DrewFu · Mar 17, 2020

Equippedwithtowel said:
....um wow

that's pretty bad

I don't know, I feel like elections are an instance where the show should still go on. They're that important. We're talking about a one night event - that doesn't throw away all the hard work of staying safe.

Deleted member 48897 · Mar 17, 2020

supra said:
States delaying primaries past 9 June may face delegate penalty, warns DNC memo

Democratic National Committee reacts to Ohio postponement with memo that says party working with states on coronavirus measures

www.theguardian.com

Are they out of their goddamn minds?

I love that with people losing faith in the ability of the DNC to act in the interests of party rank-and-file that their decision on how to move forward in our current conditions is this. The establishment trying to punish their way to victory yet again.

profoundcarnage · Mar 17, 2020

DrewFu said:
I don't know, I feel like elections are an instance where the show should still go on. They're that important. We're talking about a one night event - that doesn't throw away all the hard work of staying safe.

Idk man it seems like a postponed, but still occurring election would be better than one with drastically suppressed turnout and great health risk to those that did turn out. If elections are that important maybe we should ensure that the sick and elderly aren't disenfranchised just to make "the show go on" instead of just waiting a few months. Not to mention all of the closed-at-the-last-minute polling locations due to volunteers (correctly) bailing out! If Ohio voters get punished because their government did the right thing and Illinois/Florida/Arizona tally delegates as normal despite getting dramatically muted vote counts I'm going to go insane

Lothars · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

Yes and I think that Bernie still being in shows how out of touch he continues to be and why he is losing so badly.

loquaciousJenny · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

Yes, because unlike Bernie, Biden is capable of changing his approach for broader appeal

Blue Skies · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

You can vote for someone who's not Bernie and be a progressive

trying to paint non Bernie voters (over 60 percent of democrats) as anti progressive is bullshit.

Aaron · Mar 17, 2020

schuelma said:
Arizona: The GOP's political bellwether

"The latest wave of polls, released in the runup to tonight's primary, show how precarious the GOP's standing is in Arizona. Every one of the four nonpartisan public polls conducted in March show Biden leading Trump, with leads ranging from one point to eight points. The numbers are even more significant after digging deeper into the polls' crosstabs."

Biden probably wins PA and MI before he wins AZ, so if he pulls it off, it's game over.

Hoping he does well enough though that he picks up at least WI, FL and NC so there's no question about the results (not that it would stop Trump from crying RIGGED anyway). I'd just hate for this to be a thing where Biden pulls off PA/MI and all the Clinton states, but then Trump has a 1-point lead in Arizona or something and we're waiting at least a week for Maricopa County to fully come in. I think I heard they made some reforms since 2018 to hopefully speed things up, but we'll see.

profoundcarnage · Mar 17, 2020

loquaciousJenny said:
Yes, because unlike Bernie, Biden is capable of changing his approach for broader appeal

Gotta admit "capable of changing his approach" is a fresh euphamism for "lying".

Madison · Mar 17, 2020

profoundcarnage said:
Gotta admit "capable of changing his approach" is a fresh euphamism for "lying".

Biden contradicting everything hes said about social security during the past 40 years just shows that hes committed to workers

loquaciousJenny · Mar 17, 2020

profoundcarnage said:
Gotta admit "capable of changing his approach" is a fresh euphamism for "lying".

K

ned_ballad · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

He's incorporating some Warren policy into his platform, and she dropped out after Super Tuesday

cj_iwakura · Mar 17, 2020

They should develop an online system. Dead serious.

Volimar · Mar 17, 2020

Arkeband said:
Do you think Biden would be changing his platform if Bernie had dropped out right after Super Tuesday, when anti-progressives proudly proclaimed his campaign dead?

I think this is an underappreciated point, though I do think that the longer Sanders stays in the less bargaining power he has. I don't think a few concessions on some more climate related policies would be out of the question.

Equippedwithtowel · Mar 17, 2020

DrewFu said:
I don't know, I feel like elections are an instance where the show should still go on. They're that important. We're talking about a one night event - that doesn't throw away all the hard work of staying safe.

until a an asymptomatic carrier infects a hundred people.

this is total fantasy talk and is wildly irresponsible

Chaotic-Strike · Mar 17, 2020

profoundcarnage said:
Why is the DNC threatening to punish states and disenfranchise voters for the crime of trying to promote public safety during a pandemic?

Can we say this is a problem now when the DNC acts as craven as the GOP? Or we gonna continued to be gas lit again because a certain candidate is trending higher in the polls and for some reason that suddenly makes this okay?

AlexBasch · Mar 17, 2020

Alright, since I know this is a primarily US forum, I won't mind the million posts of Biden vs Sanders in a global COVID 19 thread.

Most museums, concerts and every thing is being postponed or cancelled in my town in Mexico, also school is gone until April 20th. This is good, we don't have a proper lockdown in here, but it's a way of telling people "why would you even want to go out, everything is closed" and I think it's worth it.

Volimar · Mar 17, 2020

Chaotic-Strike said:
Can we say this is a problem now when the DNC acts as craven as the GOP? Or we gonna continued to be gas lit again because a certain candidate is trending higher in the polls and for some reason that suddenly makes this okay?

They'll likely change the rules, but this was a procedure that was already in place. I wouldn't read into it, unless it actually happens.

Volimar · Mar 17, 2020

AlexBasch said:
Alright, since I know this is a primarily US forum, I won't mind the million posts of Biden vs Sanders in a global COVID 19 thread.

Most museums, concerts and every thing is being postponed or cancelled in my town in Mexico, also school is gone until April 20th. This is good, we don't have a proper lockdown in here, but it's a way of telling people "why would you even want to go out, everything is closed" and I think it's worth it.

Here they're not even telling people not to go out. Like, if you want to go for a drive or something that's fine. Just practice social distancing and use appropriate precautions.

Btw, gas here is super cheap right now. $1.79 a gallon

Kirblar · Mar 17, 2020

Volimar said:
They'll likely change the rules, but this was a procedure that was already in place. I wouldn't read into it, unless it actually happens.

"Sit down children, and listen to Uncle Volimar tell you the tale of 2008: A Florida and Michigan Odyssey"

Veitsev · Mar 17, 2020

Chaotic-Strike said:
Can we say this is a problem now when the DNC acts as craven as the GOP? Or we gonna continued to be gas lit again because a certain candidate is trending higher in the polls and for some reason that suddenly makes this okay?

How does that memo benefit the DNC? What exactly do you think the goal of the memo is?

DrewFu · Mar 17, 2020

Volimar said:
Here they're not even telling people not to go out. Like, if you want to go for a drive or something that's fine. Just practice social distancing and use appropriate precautions.

Btw, gas here is super cheap right now. $1.79 a gallon

must be nice

ChippyTurtle · Mar 17, 2020

My God if the primaries don't get concluded until August I'm going to fucking scream. Can we please don't lop off our leg facing against Trump for one freaking second.

BringBackSonics · Mar 17, 2020

Autodidact · Mar 17, 2020

Numbers from suburban Cook County, IL:

2/3 of voters over 50.
Only 7% 17-29.

Poor Bernie.

Ziltoidia 9 · Mar 17, 2020

Considering I spent 99% of days without anyone, I guess the social distancing part will be easy.

DrewFu · Mar 17, 2020

What time will the FL numbers start rolling in?

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