It's worth noting that Pete once led in NH, so many of these voters may just be coming back to him now that they view him as viable.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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It's worth noting that Pete once led in NH, so many of these voters may just be coming back to him now that they view him as viable.
When talking about the primary, I think it's important to remember how Gabbard, in part, came to have a following. Her history with Sanders and her status as a Sanders Institute fellow and that she's so tight with Sanders campaign co-chair is a real concern.
This moment could be a wonderful opportunity for the Sanders campaign to ask Gabbard to commit to supporting the Dem nominee and / or not run third party.
This moment could be a wonderful opportunity for the Sanders campaign to ask Gabbard to commit to supporting the Dem nominee and / or not run third party.
Why is Bernie more third-party proof than other candidates? The anti-war stuff?
Not necessarily all third parties. But Bernie is generally most popular among independents vs rivals (iirc) and he and Tulsi are friends. It also helps that Tulsi's 'popularity' stems from her connection to Bernie. So expect overlap between the two.
if bernie loses or they ratfuck him at the convention, plenty of his supporters are gonna stay home or vote third party. third parties will be there to catch all the frustrated bernie votes. if he's the nominee though then you don't have to worry about any of that.
well for starters he's the most popular senator in the country, and has the best polling against Trump. He's much more likable than Hillary and has 10x as less baggage (ironically, most of the "baggage" is just smearing over little things from the Dems)
if tulsi is the 3rd party, she campaigned with him before and generally her base likes Bernie. There won't be many people voting Tulsi over Bernie. She was def banking on a Biden/Kamala/Pete establishment nom.
I don't think she can do that because of sore loser laws that prevent someone who lost in the primary running in the general:
Sore loser law - Wikipedia
All of this assumes that there will be no centrist third party run if Bernie is the nominee which is kind of a big leap to make I guess.
Yep, but better to do it now than later, at least we'll get him out of the way (please god I hope so)
Through and through, Biden has just made it so incredibly obvious he does not want the job. Even like a year into his campaign I have no idea why he wants to be President other than a vague sense of duty or entitlement.
I'll only say this is a bad look for Pete since Jordan didn't mention his badge getting taken away
There likely will be a few third party candidates running around. I suspect they will be less effective in disrupting the democrats this time around because of what's at stake, however.
Over the last year they went out of their way to keep him out of the spotlight so either the Bidenator is loose or they've gotten desperate.
He got 4th place in Iowa because he wasn't on the ground interacting with people as much as the candidates who finished above himi. It's a catch 22, if you don't have him in front of people then people ask "where is Joe Biden?" but when you put him in front of people... they are like... "nah".
Fucking hell Joe, why you gotta blow your cover now? Anyway, the original Rashidun caliphates were socialists to the core, just like Bernie.
Remember when Biden was the most electable candidate? Good times.
Third party spoilers tends to be the "I say what the ESTABLISHMENT" doesn't say candidate. Ralph Nader, Ron Paul, etc. That candidate this cycle is Bernie. We'll probably see a new breed of ultracapitalist spoilers this time around like Bloomberg. Remember Schultz?
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It's pretty normal. Like, let's put it this way. A lot of Bernie's current staffers were with Hillary/Obama, Bernie's Press Secretary in 2016 is a senior adviser in Biden's campaign now. 2016's DNC co-chair was working for Hillary at one point. It isn't exactly a huge pool of recruitment.
Imagine thinking that an organiser at a campaign is some sort of Manchurian candidate?
If there is, I'd imagine they'd lean more Republican. I feel like centrist Dem voters are much more likely to vote for their party's leftist nominee over a centrist 3rd party (this obviously doesn't ring true for the opposite)
I'm sure we've talked about it before but I'd still like to know who you sold your soul to in order to get early poll results
My guess... works in a newsroom and has access to stuff before embargo.
You can blame the IDP for fucking up so badly that conspiracy theories about the integrity of the primary results will gain way more traction than they would have otherwise.
I think you are 100% wrong and that Republicans will vote for Trump no matter what and that many Democrats are afraid of "socialist" Bernie Sanders.
Remember Chris Matthews talking about how Bernie is gonna line people up in the park and shoot them? People like him are staying home or going third party if Bernie gets the nom.
oh there will be. capital cannot afford having even the most milquetoast of reforms. i can't wait to see the supposedly woke wealthy liberals tear the mask off.
I'm going to preface this by saying that I'm for m4a.
Has Sanders said what he'd do if he can't get m4a done? Even if the Senate flips, there are plenty of moderates and corporate backed dems that it's very likely he won't get his brand of m4a passed. Has he said what he'd do then? I imagine there's some things he can do with EOs but what then? I'm not looking for opinions on what he'd do, I'm asking if he's said whether he has a fall back position to help people while he continues to push for m4a.
Has Sanders said what he'd do if he can't get m4a done? Even if the Senate flips, there are plenty of moderates and corporate backed dems that it's very likely he won't get his brand of m4a passed. Has he said what he'd do then? I imagine there's some things he can do with EOs but what then? I'm not looking for opinions on what he'd do, I'm asking if he's said whether he has a fall back position to help people while he continues to push for m4a.
His go-to talking point is he'd rally his supporters to put pressure on their Senators to pass M4A, but more likely he'd just settle for a lesser bill.
Bernie has supported a public option in the past. If that's the best he could do, he'd take it. Of course, if McConnell is still Majority Leader, forget about even that.
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