Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

Who's Your Pick for the Democratic Nominee (Round 2)

  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 1,536 80.7%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 23 1.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 230 12.1%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 60 3.2%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 12 0.6%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 39 2.0%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 4 0.2%

  • Total voters
    1,904
  • Poll closed .

Zeroro

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Oct 27, 2017
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It is amazing how somebody as insipid as Pete continues to do so well in these contests. I really hope he craters into nothingness starting with Nevada. Then he can make way for Bloomberg, who will also eat shit!
 

Bitch Pudding

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Oct 25, 2017
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It is amazing how somebody as insipid as Pete continues to do so well in these contests. I really hope he craters into nothingness starting with Nevada. Then he can make way for Bloomberg, who will also eat shit!
Don’t underestimate Bloomberg. He may not have participated the early primaries but his campaign is basically omnipresent in the media right now. I’ve also read in a German newspaper that his support among black voters is gaining momentum.

Last but not least calling him a socialist simply doesn’t work since he makes more money in a single year than Trump’s overall fortune.
 

Rodderick

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Oct 25, 2017
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No ones saying they didn’t perform well, but to act like the candidates that got 2nd/3rd place are somehow a more important and bigger stories than the guy that got 1st place is ridiculous
The guy who got first place won this primary by 22 points in 2016 and now he squeaked by two relative unknowns. Yeah, I know there are more viable candidates now, but it's a story and it should be.
 

Dust

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really do not know where is this general surge for Buttigieg coming from.
Disillusioned ex-Biden voters?
 

Zeroro

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Oct 27, 2017
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Don’t underestimate Bloomberg. He may not have participated the early primaries but his campaign is basically omnipresent in the media right now. I’ve also read in a German newspaper that his support among black voters is gaining momentum.

Last but not least calling him a socialist simply doesn’t work since he makes more money in a single year than Trump’s overall fortune.
You'd think the recent controversy would put a dent in that unless it just hasn't been reflected in polling yet. I can only hope. I'd also like to think a large amount of his supporters, both white and nonwhite, are incredibly fickle when they're largely coming to support him as a result of being blasted with ads and would quickly move on from him once they see just how easy it would be for Trump to dismantle him.
 

Bedameister

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Oct 26, 2017
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He makes people feel good because he's a gay veteran selling easy to understand incremental change through a charismatic but not over the top delivery. He's the vanilla ice cream of this race, which is what people thought Biden was until he started tripping over his own words one too many times
Sounds pretty bad and like exactly what the democrats don't need right now :/
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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Surprised that NH was as narrow as it was based on polling beforehand, but since there's more choices this time maybe that had an effect. Hopefully the gap widens so that Sanders gets a strong majority, it's clear that's where it's heading unless Bloomberg, Klobberer, Buttjudge and Biden supporters decide to rally around one candidate.
 
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Don’t underestimate Bloomberg. He may not have participated the early primaries but his campaign is basically omnipresent in the media right now. I’ve also read in a German newspaper that his support among black voters is gaining momentum.

Last but not least calling him a socialist simply doesn’t work since he makes more money in a single year than Trump’s overall fortune.
I can't even begin to imagine why ANY black people would give their support to Bloomberg. I mean that is just incredibly ignorant and idiotic.
 

Rodderick

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Oct 25, 2017
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Don’t underestimate Bloomberg. He may not have participated the early primaries but his campaign is basically omnipresent in the media right now. I’ve also read in a German newspaper that his support among black voters is gaining momentum.

Last but not least calling him a socialist simply doesn’t work since he makes more money in a single year than Trump’s overall fortune.
Bloomberg is at 96% name recognition with black voters, and yet his net favorability rating is -10, according to a recent Monmouth poll. If that's the basis of his candidacy, it's not going anywhere, especially considering his damning remarks about that demographic haven't really made national news.
 

nelsonroyale

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Oct 28, 2017
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The guy who got first place won this primary by 22 points in 2016 and now he squeaked by two relative unknowns. Yeah, I know there are more viable candidates now, but it's a story and it should be.
magazine this simply doesn’t map. Buttigieg is far from an unknown in terms of name recognition at this point, Klobbichire is pretty well known amongst a particular segment of democrats and with success and media narrative as a moderate has attracted uncertain voters from other camps. There is a world of difference with a two horse race and a false narrative that Sanders just attracts committed support. I mean narrowing the field some might prefer him over X if there are fewer candidates. To think that all his potential base has him as first choice isn’t in any way a given. I also think how people self describe or even describe their intentions at any given time is much more contingent than they would like to admit. Meaning ultimately I think more really hate trump than say hate Sanders, so I think Sanders has a larger potential cross over amongst the public. I do ultimately think corporate interests for sure would prefer Trump though. He isn’t a real rebel apart from in social etiquette and to the extent that he tries to bend the world to his inflated and deranged ego
 

Rupetta

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Oct 27, 2017
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Bloomberg is at 96% name recognition with black voters, and yet his net favorability rating is -10, according to a recent Monmouth poll. If that's the basis of his candidacy, it's not going anywhere, especially considering his damning remarks about that demographic haven't really made national news.
It is because as a white billionaire in the Democratic party he carries within him most of the values needed to become the Dem candidate in the general election. We need to understand the historical conditioning of the black electorate to understand how narrow the allowance to dream of "change" is. Privilege here is that for non-black communities the result in the general election might not be the deciding factor between "life" and "death", but "suffering" and "slightly less suffering" - not everyone hold such privilege and thus what pragmatism means under such conditions will mean different things for different groups, based on privilege (of skin)-
 

3bdelilah

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm seeing 14% of precincts that haven't reported yet, but at the same time all 24 pledged delegates have already been split. Does the rest of the results not matter anymore, or are these precincts so small that it will have little effect? Or is there still a shift in delegates possible?
 

Kilrogg

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope Sanders can score a decisive victory in Nevada or South Carolina. I'm glad he won, but Buttigieg should be nowhere near where he is.

How would you rank the candidates so far, in terms of who you personally want the most? My ranking would look something like this:

Sanders >>> Warren >>>>>>> Biden = Klobuchar >>>> Buttigieg >> Bloomberg = Trump

The others are just too insignificant to even factor in. Warren is still my clear second choice, but I expect her to drop out after Super Tuesday. At this point I'd be willing to go full Klobmentum over Boot-edge-edge.
 

kmag

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Nov 5, 2017
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It is because as a white billionaire in the Democratic party he carries within him most of the values needed to become the Dem candidate in the general election. We need to understand the historical conditioning of the black electorate to understand how narrow the allowance to dream of "change" is. Privilege here is that for non-black communities the result in the general election might not be the deciding factor between "life" and "death", but "suffering" and "slightly less suffering" - not everyone hold such privilege and thus what pragmatism means under such conditions will mean different things for different groups, based on privilege (of skin)-
Actually I think Bloomberg's rising 'popularity' is quite easy to explain: his ad blitz has been hitting Trump hard. He's been largely ignoring all the other contenders and just doing framing ads on himself and attack ads on Trump. There's no need to get into 'conditioning' or 'white billionaire', he's attacking Trump that's popular with constituency of the primaries.

Even someone like me who hates the idea of Bloomberg's candidacy had to applaud his superbowl ad. Personally, I wish most of the other candidates would stop going after each other and start continually pounding Trump. If I was Warren for instance, that's what I'd pivot to.
 

Boss

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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope Sanders can score a decisive victory in Nevada or South Carolina. I'm glad he won, but Buttigieg should be nowhere near where he is.

How would you rank the candidates so far, in terms of who you personally want the most? My ranking would look something like this:

Sanders >>> Warren >>>>>>> Biden = Klobuchar >>>> Buttigieg >> Bloomberg = Trump

The others are just too insignificant to even factor in. Warren is still my clear second choice, but I expect her to drop out after Super Tuesday. At this point I'd be willing to go full Klobmentum over Boot-edge-edge.
Sanders performed about where he should, NH is an older, whiter, richer state. Warren and Biden collapsed, the moderates who didn't want to vote for Bernie went full out for Klob and Pete, yet Bernie still won. It was a good performance IMO.

At this point?

Sanders >>>>>>>>>> Warren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden = Klobuchar >> Buttigieg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bloomberg = Trump

I don't really know, I don't want any of the last 5 and just lump them together as "no". Before the primary process really started I think Bernie and Warren would've been almost equal.
 

Rupetta

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Oct 27, 2017
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Actually I think Bloomberg's rising 'popularity' is quite easy to explain: his ad blitz has been hitting Trump hard. He's been largely ignoring all the other contenders and just doing framing ads on himself and attack ads on Trump. There's no need to get into 'conditioning' or 'white billionaire', he's attacking Trump that's popular with constituency of the primaries.

Even someone like me who hates the idea of Bloomberg's candidacy had to applaud his superbowl ad. Personally, I wish most of the other candidates would stop going after each other and start continually pounding Trump. If I was Warren for instance, that's what I'd pivot to.
There is no reason to go into those words under the condition that he would not be elected - there is all the reason to think about it if he is to be elected. Politics and the material conditions related to a political outcome is not "Trump" "not Trump" but rather what material conditions of the outcome. I think many in the black community think very concretely about the material outcome of the election and it has very little to do with the emptiness of the ads you applaud. Many are aware that nothing will truly change under a white billionaire but wishing for that "non-change" might be better than the material conditions under Trump. The "might" is a pretty big one, but a chance worth taking.
 

Kilrogg

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sanders >>>>>>>>>> Warren >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden = Klobuchar >> Buttigieg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bloomberg = Trump

I don't really know, I don't want any of the last 5 and just lump them together as "no". Before the primary process really started I think Bernie and Warren would've been almost equal.
Oh yeah, I definitely don't want the last 5 either. I could see myself mayyyyybe pinching my nose while voting for Biden or Klob, but I reaaaaally don't want Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Trump.

It really is just between Bernie and Liz for me, and bar a genius change in her campaigning, I don't see Warren even making 3rd place when all is said and done. She's doing Biden-tier terrible.

... Man, the world needs to adopt ranked preference voting yesterday.
 

klonere

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Nov 1, 2017
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Oh yeah, I definitely don't want the last 5 either. I could see myself mayyyyybe pinching my nose while voting for Biden or Klob, but I reaaaaally don't want Buttigieg, Bloomberg and Trump.

It really is just between Bernie and Liz for me, and bar a genius change in her campaigning, I don't see Warren even making 3rd place when all is said and done. She's doing Biden-tier terrible.

... Man, the world needs to adopt ranked preference voting yesterday.
We have a single transferrable vote system in Ireland that is that in effect - you order your ballot from 1 (first preference) down to whatever number of candidates there are (so you could go 1 to 8 for 8 candidates). Only one person you like? Just put them down and if they reach the threshold to be elected, any excess votes are transferred to the next preferred candidate. So if you voted for a sure thing and they are elected on first count, your 2 gets that vote - and so on and so forth. It's pretty good!

 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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Klob and Butti surges just read to me like moderate-thirsty older whites grasping at straws, possibly fearing execution-style retributions from Bernie per Chris Matthews.
 

Dr. Feel Good

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Oct 25, 2017
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NH results once again reinforce Era bubble. After Iowa the hounds were out against Pete saying he had no viability in NH and of course he won Iowa because he dumped 95% of his budget into the state. And yet here we are With Pete who would have beat Bernie (again) had it not been for an unexpected rise in Amy.

This thing is far from over and I fully expect Pete to fuck this thing over.
 

Working yet?

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Oct 31, 2017
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NH results once again reinforce Era bubble. After Iowa the hounds were out against Pete saying he had no viability in NH and of course he won Iowa because he dumped 95% of his budget into the state. And yet here we are With Pete who would have beat Bernie (again) had it not been for an unexpected rise in Amy.

This thing is far from over and I fully expect Pete to fuck this thing over.
No one said he doesn't have viability in New Hampshire. New Hampshire is even whiter than Iowa.
 

Rez

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Oct 25, 2017
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NH results once again reinforce Era bubble. After Iowa the hounds were out against Pete saying he had no viability in NH and of course he won Iowa because he dumped 95% of his budget into the state. And yet here we are With Pete who would have beat Bernie (again) had it not been for an unexpected rise in Amy.

This thing is far from over and I fully expect Pete to fuck this thing over.
I’d be curious to see how much of Amy’s support came from Biden versus Pete. I don’t think the three are as interchangeable as people make them out to be. I’m not convinced “Not-Bernie” is the unifying factor yet.
 

AzorAhai

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Oct 29, 2017
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The race now depends on how quickly the moderates choose their horse. Sanders can absolutely keep winning with narrow margins as long as centrists split their votes...