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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The problem with this joke is that the phrase still actually makes a vague amount of sense.
Agreed. This is why Bloomberg needs to be on the debate stage. He's a robot.
Also people are seriously dismissing this guy's political skill and possible appeal to a large demographic including minorities. Even with stop and frisk the dude had high approval ratings in nyc, shit my family still talk about the 'Good oI' Bloomberg days and they are not white.
The guy has the pragmatist label and is going after trump, people eat that shit up.
I feel like he would get those votes if there wasnt any alternative. But instead people are finding it in whoever is there. Sorry but why the hell was it this close? It all seems so fragile.
Yeah. Call me when he over performs in South Carolina. Until then, Bernie has a lot better of a chance
He might really outperform in South Carolina. Latest polls have him around the 4-7% mark. Anything more than that is technically an out-performance. I also expect Biden to slip there, and I expect Buttigieg to pick some of that up. So... fingers crossed he flops!
I don't expect him to land a win, though.
No. The policy positions are considered "centrist" have changed over time. Anyone nominated will likely be to the left of Hillary in regards to their policy positions. The needle has been moved left.
The Warren needs to drop out after one primary and one caucus in some non representational states takes are just nonsense. This primary shows the volatility in the race with Klob gaining a ton from basically one moment and a bit of good media.
Look, I get it, we're all anxious to get on with the fight against Trump. And I get that a lot of us (me included) want this to be big because it means Biden is out and he's the biggest threat. But, come on. Don't let Iowa and New Hampshire decide the entire primary. At least wait for a few states. At least let Super Tuesday happen.
And I don't think Liz's support is 1:1 Bernie's either. Her dropping out could give Klobuchar and/or Buttigieg more momentum. I think a lot that were open to Bernie may already be making that calculation to vote him and give a bigger victory.
And on top of that anything can happen. Bernie's old and already had a heart attack. I'm definitely not hoping for this sort of scenario but if he goes down due to other circumstances like that or even a scandal we don't know about, blunder, etc, wouldn't you want a progressive alternative still in the race? If Warren's out and he goes down then what? Where do you turn?
Look, I get it, we're all anxious to get on with the fight against Trump. And I get that a lot of us (me included) want this to be big because it means Biden is out and he's the biggest threat. But, come on. Don't let Iowa and New Hampshire decide the entire primary. At least wait for a few states. At least let Super Tuesday happen.
And I don't think Liz's support is 1:1 Bernie's either. Her dropping out could give Klobuchar and/or Buttigieg more momentum. I think a lot that were open to Bernie may already be making that calculation to vote him and give a bigger victory.
And on top of that anything can happen. Bernie's old and already had a heart attack. I'm definitely not hoping for this sort of scenario but if he goes down due to other circumstances like that or even a scandal we don't know about, blunder, etc, wouldn't you want a progressive alternative still in the race? If Warren's out and he goes down then what? Where do you turn?
Consider that quite a bit of Trump's SotU was accusing Dems of 'coming after your healthcare!' shows what an important debate is going on over on the left about that. Of course, he was totally lying and is trying to do his best to break things up - but the fact that he's trying to pander to that audience shows the needle has moved left in some regards.
You better not be telling me that Biden is the Nintendo eShop.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar significantly outperformed.
Sanders winning by only 2 points over relative unknowns in basically his home state early in the season is not a good sign for that campaign.
More candidates is good for Buttigieg; Biden soaks up lots of minority votes, Warren soaks up Bernie votes.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Buttigieg's appeal scales. He's by far Sanders' biggest threat. He and his campaign seem to be getting better every day, which should be scary for everyone else.
At this point, I expect Buttigieg to be nominated.
Sanders winning by only 2 points over relative unknowns in basically his home state early in the season is not a good sign for that campaign.
More candidates is good for Buttigieg; Biden soaks up lots of minority votes, Warren soaks up Bernie votes.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that Buttigieg's appeal scales. He's by far Sanders' biggest threat. He and his campaign seem to be getting better every day, which should be scary for everyone else.
At this point, I expect Buttigieg to be nominated.
ha, i knew Iowa was a fluke due to it being so fucking annoying to vote.
So much for the doom and gloom about low turnout. People DO want Trump out. They just can't agree on which candidate to choose.
Bloomberg is Atari trying to get into the hotel business instead.
I just can't see him doing well at all during Super Tuesday.
bernie winning New Hampshire by 1% is not a good story. It further solidifies that had Bidens campaign not collapsed and broken into other campaigns Bernie would be in a very shitty situation
When terrible candidates like Pete and Amy are throwing wrenches in Bernies odds it's incredibly bad optics for the party as a whole.
Which is just mindblowing. Like, don't those folks knew how much of a racist he is? How could they put their support for him???
Pete has like zero minority support. When he shows he has some sort of life in that department, then sure he has a chance of winning. Right now? I don't see it.
Biden's campaign collapsing is entirely the reason why Pete and Klobb are gaining. It's moderate musical chairs right now.
Sander's relatively low percentages is a large part due to a much larger playing field. Unlike 2016, there wasn't a clear binary choice between a Clinton that has been front and center of American politics of like two decades and someone who projects himself to be well to the left of Clinton.
Same reason Biden had great polls before the primaries and why there has been some moderate musical chairs going on right now.
A big part of this primary circus is whether or not the candidate is electable. That's why Biden is dead (his campaigning sucks and clearly would tank in a general election), why Pete is rising (he knows how to campaign), why Klobb ate Pete's lunch (shanked Pete in the debates) and why Warren is most likely dead (not electable).
Problem is I don't think they do - the media is getting a ton of money from Bloomberg ads, so they're probably less likely to report on his racism.
He's effectively buying the election by bribing the media.
Y'all really can't even wait till a state that isn't 99.99% white votes for your "Bernie is done" takes?
Like come on... Nevada is in 10 days. If he does poorly there, then we can talk.
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Like come on... Nevada is in 10 days. If he does poorly there, then we can talk.
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FWIW NBC nightly news ran a story on that Bloomberg audio clip tonight.
Yes Bernie would be losing if Biden didn't implode, but he did so I'm not sure what there is to say.
And we haven't yet seen evidence Pete or Amy can pick up Biden's non white support like they did his moderate white, so until that happens it's very hard to predict a new moderate front runner.
Also "bad optics for the party"? There's like ten people running and turnout is UP. Things are looking good for the party!
Those are the votes needed in the key swing States in order to beat Trump.
Whoever the Democratic challenger to Trump is, they'll definite need to go after those votes.
With things settled, these results look great for Sanders in that its going to keep the field large even longer. Biden/Warren were never going to drop from a poor performance here, but Amy in particular very easily could have dropped if she didn't show yesterday. Ideally for Bernie now would be 2/3rds for Biden and Warren to really mix things up in NV/SC so we will see.
I still think there are worrying signs that if the field did coalesce, it'd be bad for Bernie, but the longer this goes the less it matters. If its still split come Super Tuesday, I don't see how Sanders doesn't leave the day with a commanding lead - and we already know Bloomberg is joining the part to help that muck on Super Tuesday.
I still think there are worrying signs that if the field did coalesce, it'd be bad for Bernie, but the longer this goes the less it matters. If its still split come Super Tuesday, I don't see how Sanders doesn't leave the day with a commanding lead - and we already know Bloomberg is joining the part to help that muck on Super Tuesday.
Also played on Morning Joe to lots of disappointed frownie-faces
It shouldn't be that mind blowing that minorities have to compromise quite a bit when voting. It's white privileged to get candidates that pander to you and have a long history of support of your group.
Voting as a minority is always between suffering or more suffering.
I think it's actually in Bernie's best interest that Bloomberg gets into the Nevada debate. Thought being that the moderates would mostly go after Bernie (being the front runner) unless they see the looming threat of Bloomberg standing next to them. I fully expect Warren to go knives out as well.
I realize that qualifying for the debate will legitimize his candidacy, but at this point I don't think it really matters based on his poll numbers.
I realize that qualifying for the debate will legitimize his candidacy, but at this point I don't think it really matters based on his poll numbers.
This is how they try to protect him:
via https://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-bloombergs-racism-11581466237
How should you cover Bloomberg?
Like this:
It's more about the fact that Warren is doing a lot worse than anyone anticipated and doesn't have any road to victory. Warren should've been challenging Bernie and instead she's getting lower than even Klob and Pete.
I'm not sure I saw one person say Pete had no viability in NH.. After Iowa is was clear that NH was another white state that Pete could do well in. Now that we're going into more diverse states Pete's going to have a much harder time.
if Biden loses or even doesn't handily win SC it's over for him.
And as Klob demonstrated the road isn't already paved. Things can change. Things do change. Maybe democrats also forgot that because the last few primaries weren't as packed, but the Republican ones demonstrated that too.
Look, I'm not saying she has a good chance or anything. The biggest reason I think she should stay is as a progressive safety valve should anything happen to Sanders.
The actual path to victory is Warren's huge issue. The problem with Warren's campaign is that she sort of tried to split it down the middle but people aren't really looking for that right now. Exit polls are exit polls but like 90% said shes either too left wing or too right wing. She has Pete/Klobb to the right and Sanders to the left, it doesn't leave a lot of people left to suck up in this really large pile of candidates.
She doesn't even have Biden's credentials of being Obama's VP to hopefully jump start her campaign, its not an envious position to be in. I guess she could stay in and pray to God that Sanders gets a heart attack. That's not really a great thing to bet on honestly and its not really guaranteed for her to net all of Sanders' supporters especially considering that spat they had.
She doesn't even have Biden's credentials of being Obama's VP to hopefully jump start her campaign, its not an envious position to be in. I guess she could stay in and pray to God that Sanders gets a heart attack. That's not really a great thing to bet on honestly and its not really guaranteed for her to net all of Sanders' supporters especially considering that spat they had.
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