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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I think you may be experiencing a bubble effect. This forum is more progressive than 95% of the internet.
If only more people were capable of not voting straight ticket. Might be worth letting a far-right Dem Presidential candidate lose if we could count on voters still voting for their Representatives and Senators.
He is almost guaranteed to lose the general election.
No typo. I will vote for any current candidate in the primary over him except for Bloomberg. I'll vote for him in the general but I think he'd be a disastrous candidate.
You basically have to treat this primary like the general election now. It's "vote anyone but Bloomberg" however with so many candidates.. the real answer is that you vote the frontrunner over Bloomberg... that just happens to be Bernie. Would have happily voted for Biden over Bloomberg if he was the front runner.
bloomberg and trump are two sides of the same coin. Anybody arguing to the contrary because he's Running in opposition to Trump can't see the forest for the trees.
Oh I know. I made a couple of posts and noped out of there.
Yes, it should have been. I was wrong to defend him without having full knowledge of his past.
What else would you have me do?
PS- You're literally deflecting to unrelated posts because you can't actually respond to mine with any integrity, so that speaks volumes about you.
He's arguably worse as he is still a malevolent influence that will work for corporations, except he's lucid and has the money to buy the elections. No stupid mistakes in selling out to oligarchs.
Trump's anti-establishment populist rhetoric arguably won him the Rust Belt swing states, which won him the election. And by a razor thin margin (77,744*), no less.
Why wouldn't Bernie be able to pull some of that vote?
(*He won Pennsylvania by 0.7% (44,292 votes), Wisconsin by 0.7% (22,748 votes), and Michigan by 0.2% (10,704 votes); had Clinton won all three states as did Obama, she would have won the Electoral College 278 to 260.)
Because Biden has cratered and his support, which is largely African-American, is going to Bloomberg in the polls. Unlike Buttigieg, Bloomberg actually has a path to victory. It's not just manufactured. There's legitimately a scenario where Michael Bloomberg is the nominee, or gets a winning coalition of delegates at the convention.
The president has nuclear codes and meets with world leaders. I would strongly consider the literal anti-Christ as maybe better than Trump given that. In DND terms, ill lawful evil over chaotic evil (or even chaotic neutral).
Honestly, what I'm most concerned about is Bernie continues to barely win states and barely lose states and we end up in a contested convention. I don't think Bloomer has a realistic chance.
Bloomberg's climate plan will be what the House and Senate passes. As will Bernie's. As will Biden's. The alternative is Trump picking a conservative judge for a lifetime appoint to stop any possibility of progress for even longer.
He doesn't have a Mitch McConnell pulling the strings and his judges will be filtered through the democratic party not the heritage foundation.
Interestingly % of young voters 18-29 was the only age demographic that increased from 2012 to 2016:
Bloomberg has skyrocketed to 3rd nationally, over Warren who has been grinding her ass off for almost a year... without even setting foot in Iowa/NH or setting foot on the debate stage. He is now eyeing a very easy 2nd spot now that Biden is cratering which means it's easily going to be a 2 man race between him and Bernie.
If this is not concerning to you then I don't know what to tell you.
If this is not concerning to you then I don't know what to tell you.
He does have a path. If Bernie doesn't get the required delegates and it goes to a brokered convention, the superdelegates could choose Bloomberg.
Integrity? This coming from the person who is putting up a defence for Jeffrey Epstein's Republican friend. Gosh.
She doesn't even support gay marriage. Even some American Republicans are fine with gay marriage at this point.
A lot of right-leaning liberals wear wokeness like an extra skin, and they're already slowly shedding it as a real left alternative emerges.
He's been the main beneficiary of Biden's collapse, since Pete and Klob still aren't looking viable going into Super Tuesday and Warren's campaign is dead. Couple that with serious concerns that Bernie could have a ceiling below 50% and...
Also the person who wasn't aware of his past, and changed my stance after learning more about it... But okay, that somehow means I lack integrity or something. You got me.
Not true. Bernie will use executive powers to make climate a national emergency and ban crude oil. Also again, unless youre stopping climate change every other topic including judges isn't going to matter when everyone is going to be dead. There is no arguing past that point.
People here aren't voting for Bloomberg in the primary by any stretch of the imagination. That isn't what's being discussed.
You think the supreme court is going to allow those EOs? Like, really? You've seen Roberts.
Again, what you're describing is liberal and/or not outright fascist. What's your definition of progressive?
Wtf... what's a progressive forum then? Most of this forum despises joe biden as a racist republican in disguise. I feel like the majority of this forum is borderline socialist.
What does Populist mean now?
"People I don't agree with who win votes"?
Biden is much, much better than Bloomberg. No question.
The thought process is:
- Performs well enough to ensure contested convention (even though he is nowhere close to plurality in projections).
- He buys all delegates
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- Nomination
Bloomberg still will have tangible benefits over Trump. For one, his climate policy is progressive. He would also appoint better SC justices. Will definitely have a better healthcare plan. And likely better international diplomacy.
Those alone are reason enough to vote for him over Trump.
He's shit in many regards but it isn't always a black and white situation as many people make it out to be. Will he be inspiring though and drive out the vote? I don't know honestly.
Those alone are reason enough to vote for him over Trump.
He's shit in many regards but it isn't always a black and white situation as many people make it out to be. Will he be inspiring though and drive out the vote? I don't know honestly.
Pack. The. Courts.
There are solutions to these problems and I'm done listening to moderates tell us we just have to accept the literal end of the world.
Bloomberg is a fascist who would PURCHASE the election and you guys are out here saying "ah well, nevertheless. blue no matter who."
The correct answer in a Bloomberg vs Trump election is to protest the shit out of what Bloomberg did and get someone who isn't a republican on the ticket? Like what? I don't see what world it would be okay for Bloomberg to be on the democratic ticket in the general election and not tear shit down. Do any of you even care about what he did to black people in NYC?
The correct answer in a Bloomberg vs Trump election is to protest the shit out of what Bloomberg did and get someone who isn't a republican on the ticket? Like what? I don't see what world it would be okay for Bloomberg to be on the democratic ticket in the general election and not tear shit down. Do any of you even care about what he did to black people in NYC?
will he turn the white house into a an arm of putin's international criminal syndicate tho
Not Resetera. And what do you mean by the last sentence. Care to elaborate?
It's hard to imagine a more scathing indictment of the state of American democracy, and a more blatant demonstration that Bernie has been correct all along, than a situation where Bernie wins a plurality of delegates yet Bloomberg wins the nomination at a contested convention and goes on to face Trump.
Wrong. He is the worst candidate in the party on climate still running and is not even close to being progressive on climate.
The results are in. The official #Climate2020 scorecard | Greenpeace USA
Find out where your candidate is on a #GreenNewDeal and saying #NoToFossilFuels
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I don't believe Bloomberg and Trump are the same, like there's no way Bloomberg would have done the trans military ban.
I mean, both arguments here are kinda right. This forum is definitely progressive for its size, I'm struggling to think of another forum this big that leans this far to the left.
Sure, the majority of the people here aren't card-carrying socialists but still.
Dude, you responded to me accusing you of deflection with.... More deflection. I don't even know what to say to your baffling reply earlier.
I replied to this post entirely independent of that. You seem to have a lot of bad faith takes in this thread!
No it's not. A protest vote is worthless. If we're stuck with trump v bloomberg you have to go bloomberg by virtue of SC appointees and as pointed out above better climate policy so on so forth. It's not ideal at all, but pulling a protest in a trump v anyone situation is worthless.
A proponent of policies that push harder than paying lip service to issues while maintaining the status quo (ie, centrist). It's hard to summarize an extremely wide and complex political climate / movement in a post though.
I'm hoping they just know not to say it out loud before the GE. Wishful thinking on my part. There still exists a solution to these problems and we can push whoever wins the nom to do this once in office.
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