Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

Who's Your Pick for the Democratic Nominee (Round 2)

  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 1,536 80.7%
  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 23 1.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 230 12.1%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 60 3.2%
  • Amy Klobuchar

    Votes: 12 0.6%
  • Mike Bloomberg

    Votes: 39 2.0%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 4 0.2%

  • Total voters
    1,904
  • Poll closed .

Boss

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't believe Bloomberg and Trump are the same, like there's no way Bloomberg would have done the trans military ban.

He is a transphobe.
 

gcwy

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Oct 27, 2017
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I think people are confusing leaning left and being progressive. Left itself is a spectrum and not everyone who leans left is necessarily a progressive or a socialist.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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No it's not. A protest vote is worthless. If we're stuck with trump v bloomberg you have to go bloomberg by virtue of SC appointees and as pointed out above better climate policy so on so forth. It's not ideal at all, but pulling a protest in a trump v anyone situation is worthless.
lol

nobody has to do anything, it's a right in this country to not vote.
 

phanphare

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Oct 25, 2017
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there are a lot of progressives who post on this forum

and I think that's about as far as you can go in terms of categorizing how this forum operates
 

Boss

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Oct 25, 2017
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No it's not. A protest vote is worthless. If we're stuck with trump v bloomberg you have to go bloomberg by virtue of SC appointees and as pointed out above better climate policy so on so forth. It's not ideal at all, but pulling a protest in a trump v anyone situation is worthless.
I don't mean a fucking protest vote, I mean tear shit down. Riot. Go out in the street and protect black people from having another fascist in office.
 
Dec 31, 2017
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Wrong. He is the worst candidate in the party on climate still running and is not even close to being progressive on climate.
Sorry, I should have said "progressive-er."

Dude get's a C+, beating out the straight F given to Trump in that link.

It's hard to imagine a more scathing indictment of the state of American democracy, and a more blatant demonstration that Bernie has been correct all along, than a situation where Bernie wins a plurality of delegates yet Bloomberg wins the nomination at a contested convention and goes on to face Trump.
Yep.
 

PKrockin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wtf... what's a progressive forum then? Most of this forum despises joe biden as a racist republican in disguise. I feel like the majority of this forum is borderline socialist.
Half the forum lives in other countries where they might actually have a left leaning party rather than a near-fascist party and a center-to-center-right party, I guess.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's hard to imagine a more scathing indictment of the state of American democracy, and a more blatant demonstration that Bernie has been correct all along, than a situation where Bernie wins a plurality of delegates yet Bloomberg wins the nomination at a contested convention and goes on to face Trump.
Honestly, at that type of contested convention where Bernie has less votes than the combination of several "moderate" candidates I'd feel like the more likely situation is the DNC pulling someone from the wings as a compromise. Part of the goal of a contested convention is to give something to all the major camps. Something stupid like a Bloomberg/Bernie, Bernie/Bloomberg, ticket might happen or Warren might be pulled out as a compromise candidate or John Kerry comes out of the wings. I don't think Bloomer ends up winning a contested convention no matter how the delegates are spread unless he wins the popular vote.

We can push him into it. I doubt it would be smart to say this during a general and give republicans talking points. Either way solutions exist.
Buttigieg is actually for packing the courts openly, though, and it doesn't seem to have hurt him. Everything else seems to have hurt him.
 

Osu 16 Bit

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Oct 27, 2017
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He is a transphobe.

Yeah, I saw, and it sucks and I wouldn't trust him to be good on trans rights. But the ban is a level of aggression, of outright taking away rights, that I do not think any democratic candidate would do. So they'd get my vote.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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I don't mean a fucking protest vote, I mean tear shit down. Riot. Go out in the street and protect black people from having another fascist in office.
^
Sorry, I should have said "progressive-er."

Dude get's a C+, beating out the straight F given to Trump in that link.
Both plans aren't going to save the world so the difference between a C+ and an F is pretty trivial when it comes down to it. If were not actively trying to save the world whats the point?
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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Honestly, at that type of contested convention where Bernie has less votes than the combination of several "moderate" candidates I'd feel like the more likely situation is the DNC pulling someone from the wings as a compromise. Part of the goal of a contested convention is to give something to all the major camps. Something stupid like a Bloomberg/Bernie, Bernie/Bloomberg, ticket might happen or Warren might be pulled out as a compromise candidate or John Kerry comes out of the wings. I don't think Bloomer ends up winning a contested convention no matter how the delegates are spread unless he wins the popular vote.


Buttigieg is actually for packing the courts openly, though, and it doesn't seem to have hurt him. Everything else seems to have hurt him.
Pete hasn't been operating as the front runner of the DNC or even a serious candidate until last week.
 

Spoo

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is the truth here.
Yup. I've tended to think of Bernie as our Trump from the standpoint of just how much the media has it out for him (rightly, in Trump's case), his outsider status, relative extremity (but on the left), but Bloomberg shares *way* more in common with Trump in all the ways that are destructive and evil, and for that we should absolutely -- every single democrat here -- should make it a statement that we will not support that. Bloomberg makes Biden look like an angel, and we already have many people on this forum who are "never Biden" or whatever, so it really shouldn't be hard to take that one step further and ostracize a person who is trying to buy an election.

Can we please not forget how outraged we were at Trump's trial by Trump's obvious attempt to buy his way into the next election by dislodging his competition through nefarious means? Lets not let that shit happen in our own party.
 

KingK

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Oct 27, 2017
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Is the general consensus here that even Biden would be a better choice than Bloomberg? I think I’d take Pete over either of those clowns, but that isn’t saying much.
Absolutely. I think pretty much everyone here would have begrudgingly voted for Biden or one of the others without consideration.

A lot of us will not vote for Bloomberg. He's literally a Bush-era Republican. I've been politically active since 2008 and have never once considered not voting for president. If the choice is Bloomberg v Trump, I honestly don't think I could do it. I'd write in Warren or Sanders and just vote downballot.

Out of the moderates still standing, I would take Pete in a heartbeat. At least he hasn't committed assualt/harrassment like Klob and Biden, and seems a little less high on that "Republicans are great and will work with me!" bullshit. He's a fucking snake, but given his background and father, I would hope he's more left leaning than his recent moderate act implies.

My rankings would go:
Warren/Bernie>>>>>>Pete>>Biden>Klob

Bloomberg doesn't even register. I won't even entertain the idea of voting for him unless there nightmare scenario of him winning the nom truly comes to pass. Idk what I'd do then.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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Dude, you responded to me accusing you of deflection with.... More deflection. I don't even know what to say to your baffling reply earlier.

I replied to this post entirely independent of that. You seem to have a lot of bad faith takes in this thread!
Oh, silly me for thinking that the post you chose to reply to had anything to do with... The post that you replied to.

If the post were entirely independent, why would you reply to it directly?

Forget bad faith, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You're legitimately not making any sense.
 

Boss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I saw, and it sucks and I wouldn't trust him to be good on trans rights. But the ban is a level of aggression, of outright taking away rights, that I do not think any democratic candidate would do. So they'd get my vote. I am not going to do a protect vote.
He's a republican who used his police force as a self described private army to terrorize minorities. There is no telling what his policies would be when in office.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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He will drop that shit the very second it hits any scrutiny my friend
I'm not voting for Pete, but he has taken scruntiny for it, that and his electoral reforms have been the one thing he hasn't budged on.
Pete hasn't been operating as the front runner of the DNC or even a serious candidate until last week.
He had his boost in November. Honestly, people were attacking him in the last several debates more seriously than they've been attacking Bernie, Biden or Warren.
 

demondance

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Oct 27, 2017
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No it's not. A protest vote is worthless. If we're stuck with trump v bloomberg you have to go bloomberg by virtue of SC appointees and as pointed out above better climate policy so on so forth. It's not ideal at all, but pulling a protest in a trump v anyone situation is worthless.
Yes, in sure a guy who bankrolled republican campaigns as recently as 2018 will have some real barnburner picks that'll change the face of the court
 

alexiswrite

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Oct 27, 2017
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Think they meant fighting FOR him.



He's been gaining support in polls due to the ad blitz plus the media is propping him up so people are worried.
Because Biden has cratered and his support, which is largely African-American, is going to Bloomberg in the polls. Unlike Buttigieg, Bloomberg actually has a path to victory. It's not just manufactured. There's legitimately a scenario where Michael Bloomberg is the nominee, or gets a winning coalition of delegates at the convention.
You can't really forecast a person's support in this way, someone's support improving doesn't mean it'll continue to improve. This is all ignoring that Bloomberg's campaign hasn't been tested in any meaningful way. He's had no debates, and no bad media cycles. You can say that Bloomberg might become an interesting topic if he continues to rise, but there's no real evidence that this will continue to happen. Right now, Bloomberg actually helps Bernie in this race.
 

Dahbomb

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's hard to imagine a more scathing indictment of the state of American democracy, and a more blatant demonstration that Bernie has been correct all along, than a situation where Bernie wins a plurality of delegates yet Bloomberg wins the nomination at a contested convention and goes on to face Trump.
Democracy has been rat fucked for the last 4 or so years in the US. Trump doing it in the white house with Barr as his AG and the Senate GOP while Bloomberg attempting to do it in the DNC. Most of this would be unthinkable 10 years ago.
 

Exellus

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Oct 30, 2017
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Bernie's support mostly being young is really scary for the general. Young voters don't transfer tot he general. The hardcore primary voters will come out but many more older voters do.
What are you on about? Young voters are like twice as likely to vote in the GE than in primaries, mid-terms, or caucuses. They don't care about all those other races, they just want to vote for President.
 

Deepwater

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Oct 25, 2017
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you are a god damned fool if you trust the policy of Bloomberg. Seriously.

we worry about trump not leaving office if he loses but Bloomberg literally had the laws changed to give himself the ability to run for a third term.

WHY would you consider yourself a critical thinking person and trust that person. There are literally ZERO reasons to trust whatever Bloomberg is selling right now.
 

Osu 16 Bit

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Oct 27, 2017
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Really bad example, given Bloomberg's views on trans people

Do you guys only post? Do you read anything before you go on your defensive posting sprees for racist transphobes like Bloomberg?

That's why I used that example. Because I think he sucks and would never support him in the primary, but I still would trust him more on trans rights. That's how shitty the choice is.
 

Maxim726x

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Oct 27, 2017
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Yes, in sure a guy who bankrolled republican campaigns as recently as 2018 will have some real barnburner picks that'll change the face of the court
See, watch this... A reply that is relevant to the conversation at hand:


Perhaps you should take your own advice.

Yes, he donated to Republican candidates in 2018. He donated far more to Democratic candidates:

 

gcwy

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Oct 27, 2017
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you are a god damned fool if you trust the policy of Bloomberg. Seriously.

we worry about trump not leaving office if he loses but Bloomberg literally had the laws changed to give himself the ability to run for a third term.

WHY would you consider yourself a critical thinking person and trust that person. There are literally ZERO reasons to trust whatever Bloomberg is selling right now.
Couldn’t have said it better.
 

zethren

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Oct 29, 2017
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Literally on tape saying horrendous things far more openly racist about profiling minorities and targeting their neighborhoods than anything Trump has said on the topic.

He's Trump with a softer aesthetic. Which is apparently enough for some of you.
And is honestly WORSE than trump, in that perspective.

He's smarter, has more money (probably), and more resources (probably), and more firends (PROBABLY).

We should NOT want him anywhere close to the White House.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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Lol well obviously I totally agree with that. But people were called out for "never hillary" in 2016 and if they protest vote this year they'll also be called out for it.
I'm very seriously considering just voting downballot if Bloomberg gets the nom, so if people wanted to yell at me for not wanting to vote for a Republican that bought his way into a Democrat nomination, so be it.

The conversation right now should be aggressively pushing back against Bloomberg and refusing to normalize him. Don't give him even an inch of praise.
 

Apharmd

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Oct 25, 2017
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Literally on tape saying horrendous things far more openly racist about profiling minorities and targeting their neighborhoods than anything Trump has said on the topic.

He's Trump with a softer aesthetic. Which is apparently enough for some of you.
This is wild but it's true. Bloomberg is on tape saying more racist things than Trump. The fuck? This is your king moderates?
 

Dopus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Remember when Bernie Bros were like MAGA voters?

Shyamalan twist

Turns out the accusers were more like them all along. Who could have foreseen such a thing? They have the gall to pretend they care about social issues, the gall to pretend they care about minorities. All they really do is use them as a shield, and the moment real progressive change comes along they defend voting for the status quo who comes in the shape of Michael Bloomberg. Anyone but Trump? What does that actually mean when you're voting for that same system? lmao
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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There's no guarantee Bernie's plan will "save the world" either. Either we try to do better or we just let it burn.
His plan (and Warren's) aligns with the standards set by the UN and climate scientists. There is a significantly higher chance of saving the world if we work within those plans than not. You don't get to prop up Bloomberg for climate I'm sorry. He wouldn't save the world, he wouldnt match the plans outlined in order to do so, hes a bad candidate on climate and this is an issue where being marginally better than Trump just isn't good enough.
 

Steel

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Oct 25, 2017
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you are a god damned fool if you trust the policy of Bloomberg. Seriously.

we worry about trump not leaving office if he loses but Bloomberg literally had the laws changed to give himself the ability to run for a third term.

WHY would you consider yourself a critical thinking person and trust that person. There are literally ZERO reasons to trust whatever Bloomberg is selling right now.
The only thing I think about Bloomberg is that he wouldn't block a democratic Senate and House and that he would do a lot of things to spite Trump. I do not trust him by any stretch of the imagination, but if the choices are between him and Trump and one of the two will win at that point, I would pick him.

What do older African Americans not like about Bernie?
Something about the black vote: 90+% of African-Americans voting democrat isn't because they're all liberal. It's because Republicans hate them and conservative blacks have nowhere to go but to the democratic party.
 

Servbot24

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Literally on tape saying horrendous things far more openly racist about profiling minorities and targeting their neighborhoods than anything Trump has said on the topic.

He's Trump with a softer aesthetic. Which is apparently enough for some of you.
Enough for who? He's by far the most disliked candidate on this forum aside from Trump.
 

jviggy43

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Oct 28, 2017
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I'm not voting for Pete, but he has taken scruntiny for it, that and his electoral reforms have been the one thing he hasn't budged on.

He had his boost in November. Honestly, people were attacking him in the last several debates more seriously than they've been attacking Bernie, Biden or Warren.
His boost still had him in 4th tho. If he gets the nom hes going to be hit on that stance. Either way my underlying point to you was there are solutions to these problems. And if Bernie is going to come into office and go scorched earth with executive orders I have to think he would be for packing the courts as well.