2016 the Republicans took the mask off
2020 Democrats are doing the same.
This primary has been pretty insulting so far.
2020 Democrats are doing the same.
This primary has been pretty insulting so far.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Maybe he has but I don't think that anyone can say any of this is set in stone and take for granted that Sanders or Warren's (as she also had a plan to offset this) plan would make it through as is with no compromises. The second issue is that if you take healthcare out of a Union's hands they have less things to offer an employee and differentiate themselves from non-unionized employers.
Again, I don't think we can let a handful of Unions hold back the whole country so they can look better next to their peers this is just an issue we're going to be facing.
I was on the Warren hype train at the start of the election cycle, but her backtracking on M4A and now this is the nail in the coffin for me. Before all this, she had the benefit of aligning with Sanders platform policies for the most part while still appealing to moderates. After the above though, she's toast. I mean I'd still vote for her in the unlikely scenario that she gets the nom, but it's sad to see her sell out so quickly. I can't even see her as VP now given the bad blood between her and the Bernie campaign.
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A lot of big, more corporate unions oppose Medicare for All not because it would be bad for the workers they represent, but because it would be bad for them as institutions. Without being able to go to their rank and file members and say "look, we got you guys a healthcare package", they'd have to actually do more work and lobby for better conditions and pay instead.
Warren has great policies, but has terrible political instincts. I'm not sure she could win a senate seat in a swing state. Own goal after own goal.
Yeah. She dropped down to my 2nd choice, though odds might be slim that she's still in it after Nevada. I don't think she would be Bernie's VP regardless. I think he'd go with someone significantly younger.
I'm wondering in a well regulated working environment, do you even need unions at that point?
It seems unions starting becoming a stronger thing as capitalism started taking off, to counter balance the increased power corporations had.
If you had a well regulated working environment that mandated health care, mandated safety regulations, hours worked for the young and elderly, required pensions (and not 401k's), mandatory life insurance for death or serious injury, etc.. would unions even survive such a situation?
So, are they not simply fighting for their survival just like the billionaire class is against Bernie? Not that I agree with them, it's bullshit and again reeks of screw you got mine, but I can see why they would be opposed.
2016 Republican debates were just a measure to see who could be the most evil.
Jeb was too pure for this world.
I love a good Jeb meme as much as the next guy, but what he did in florida in 2000 makes him irredeemable in my eyes. Fuck that whole family.
Well, if we lived in a communist utopia, unions would irrelevant at that point. But until then, yes, absolutely. Because as long as capitalists control the means of production, they will always be rewarded for stripping those rights away from workers. Not all at once, obviously, but slowly over the course of decades. That's what happened to pensions, the idea of guaranteed days off (remember when no one was open on Thanksgiving aside from essential services?), etc.
As long as the boss is making more money and has more freedom than the lowest paid employee, there's a need for unions. The problem becomes when the union ceases to be a rank and file run union that exists for the benefit of the employees, and becomes an organization in its own right that doesn't even bring any worker representation to the bargaining table and wants to rest on its laurels and cut deals in order to stay in power.
You would need unions in a country like ours where all your rights and regulations can be overturned in one election.
Hang on, Jeb! had his share of blood-curdling ideas and policies. Like keeping the corpse of that poor brain dead woman alive against her own wishes.
Yeah nah he's a wanker for sure. No wonder he had to ask for applause.
Imagine a whole world that is one big union. Creating some sort of community, possibly luxurious and in space.
There is always a power imbalance between employer and worker, and unions to the best of their ability act as a check to that imbalance. If a well meaning government put into place many more protections for workers, it would have only happened due to pressure from unions. Similarly, in the case of unions getting the protections they desire, they still need to be around to maintain the existence of those protections for employers will always try and take them away.
The way to get rid of the need for unions does not exist in a capitalist society, even a regulated one. To get rid of unions you need to dissolve the concept of the employer altogether.
Though sometimes unions pull some heinous crap (ex: fighting against M4A or police unions shielding themselves from culpability after abusing citizens), they're a big net positive.
Obviously Pamy Biduchargieg's winning the nomination.
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Rare picture capturing Pete's natural skin tone (Data grey).
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It only matters that he lost to 3 combined, but doesn't count that he beat all 3 individually. :o)
That statement from Warren is incredibly disappointing. People are going after Culinary because the union would rather throw the rest of America under the bus as long as it means they get to keep a bargaining chip that keeps its members loyal. If healthcare wasn't employer based they'd not need to use that in negotiations and they're less necessary as a union.
Do you honestly not know or are you confused by her "affordable health care" line? Because she's stated her position.
Do you honestly not know or are you confused by her "affordable health care" line? Because she's stated her position.
Also worth mentioning the Washington Post article mentioned in there:
Even the Washington Post is calling out the anti-Bernie bias that's been going on! I knew it was bad, but this week has really been a whole new level.
Buttigieg has tons of stuff behind his back:
*He promised to give the "I can't breath" debacle top priority; then to skip a related Police meeting, for a high-profile donor's meeting.
*Not only he stood up for the polices involved, and then allowed the racist "Breath Easy" shirts to be sold. When questioned, he actually played the 2-sides card:
*He promised an external investigation for the Police firing in July, last year - nothing yet. There are 2 on going demands involving other cases of racism, which results should come after the Democratic nomination has finished.
*He promised an inclusive cabinet when Major, but they ended up being all white. Except for 3: Two of them where later fired (The Police and Fire Chiefs). The former allegedly done under pressure from his donors.
*His pro-Black people (Douglas plan) proposal was presented to 400 top community PoC leaders. Then he announced -without their approval-, that they all were giving him their endorsement. Even though that wasn't the case.
When asked? His team said that they had sent an email, asking them to "Opt out" of the list.
See a pattern yet?
His top Donors love to do Wine Cave meetings. A bit about the one he did in Napa:
Extra about the hosts, just for the sake of completionism:
Federal regulators had been zeroing in on a series of Hall's unpaid loans. To push back, the developer and bank operator turned to Wright, who was then ascending in the House leadership, to get them to back off, the AP reported at the time.
Wright held up legislation that would have given the struggling industry a $15 billion lifeline and told federal officials they had a "choice." A few days later, the regulator overseeing some of Hall's loans was replaced and the legislation moved forward.
Taxpayers eventually covered the cost of Hall's default while the developer's outreach to Wright played a central role in a congressional ethics investigation that toppled him from the speaker's office in 1989.
Wright held up legislation that would have given the struggling industry a $15 billion lifeline and told federal officials they had a "choice." A few days later, the regulator overseeing some of Hall's loans was replaced and the legislation moved forward.
Taxpayers eventually covered the cost of Hall's default while the developer's outreach to Wright played a central role in a congressional ethics investigation that toppled him from the speaker's office in 1989.
He is actually similar to Trump in a lot of points. Weak and conman, that don't mind to compromise and surround by corrupt people, for protection.
Trump would have plenty of ammunition to crash him, and once the national Black community learns about his past, there won't be much left.
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It is super naive to think Bernie can ride 26% in every state direct to the nomination. He needs to find a way to bring more people in or he won't be the nominee.
Its only going to get harder and harder for Bernie. Anyone dropping out (other than Warren and that's arguable) is a boon to the moderates and a blow to Bernie.
They're not that naive. There's a reason why *certain* Bernie fans are harping on Warren supporters to switch
Which is what that she's for it but it's bad Bernie is for it? Its desperation
Even then only a third of Warren supporters have Sanders as their second right now. Depending on how the rest of them split up it may not even be good for Bernie that Warren drops out.
Helps when all the newspapers and media are headlining the third place finisher as if they won. It's a real thing that the media is afraid of Bernie.
There is still the misconception that Warren fans are just Bernie fans that want a woman candidate
It's what Pete workshopped after the pharma/healthcare money started rolling in.
Before he was affirmatively for M4A.
Bloomberg probably saw this indecisive crapfest from a mile out, that's why he want in when he did right?
also barr is on his way to a weekend of mustard bbq isn't he:
www.nytimes.com
also barr is on his way to a weekend of mustard bbq isn't he:
Tom Steyer and Bernie Sanders Got Endorsements From Lawmakers on Their Campaigns’ Payrolls (Published 2020)
As the 2020 candidates vie for support in South Carolina, Mr. Steyer has been criticized for hiring black lawmakers or their companies. Records show the Sanders campaign has done the same.
Disagree. Biden will still split some moderate votes. Him being in the race to muddy the waters helps Bernie.
At this point the chaos scenario in nevada would be a 1-2 finish for biden and steyer. the first two states defied the polling odds in a way for some candidates.
1-2 Biden and Warren. Then, Steyer win in SC with Bernie 2nd would be maximum chaos.
corporate media is scared scared of bernie, they're attacking him and his supporters 24/7. they know the 3rd of march is coming
Not only did he see it coming, he's actively spending truckloads of money to make his nomination possible.
Biden roaring back is extremely good for Bernie.
If Biden tanks and drops out, Pete and Klob rise. Warren drops out soon after as she can't get either moderates/progressives. Pete and Klob fail to get any higher as minorities learn about their awful track records, but are strong enough with Biden/Warren gone that Bernie drops some wins and delegates. That's the path to Bloomberg's brokered convention.
The longer Biden stays healthy and in the race, the more dilute the moderate votes are, the more delegates Bernie can siphon and the more primaries he can win.
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