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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Thanks for the clip. Shame it's not the entire segment. That way I could have verified one of my hypotheses.
As it stands, it doesn't change what I've explained in excruciating detail in my previous post: the way the ranking is presented is very unusual and poor. Ranking order should always go from left to right, not right to left. It's either a really amateur mistake or a deliberately misleading presentation. And if there's malice at play, it doesn't even have to come from Cilliga. I don't know the guy, but he could be fair and neutral, or a Bernie supporter for that matter, and still have his ranking presented in a misleading way by whoever was tasked with making the visuals.
Here's a thought experiment for the skeptics: imagine you were asked to whip up a quick ranked list of, say, your 5 favorite video games, and you were asked to do that in, I don't know, PowerPoint, in horizontal order, on one row. Picture that scenario in your head. Picture yourself making that PowerPoint slide. Done? Right. I guarantee at least 90% of you naturally would have placed #1 in the very first spot on the left and gone from there. Now imagine if someone who regularly makes key visuals and graphs for a big news channel were asked the same. Yeah, no such professional would make such an amateur mistake, unless maybe they're a young intern and it's their first month on the job or something. Sorry, but channels like CNN and MSNBC don't get much benefit of the doubt in these matters at this point.
Let's forget this silly list for a second and think more broadly:
It's not an outlandish claim that there could be a bias against the only socialist, anti-establishment candidate for an election that will shape the country for the next 4-8 years, and potentially jeopardize powerful industries. You're only taken aback because Sanders is the first candidate in decades who's so overt, bold and uncompromising about his counter-current agenda, and successful at it to boot. Let's all come to terms with the fact that, no matter the country, media is not this bastion of perfect neutrality most of us would like to think it is. It's a general truth, but it's especially true when the topic is the political make-up of an entire country. A country that, for the past decades, has been scare-mongering its people not only about socialism, but about something as basic as free healthcare. A country where the left-wing party doesn't want to be called leftist (???).
Most of us outside the US see the farce of US media for what it is intuitively because our political landscapes and media tend to lean further left than the US's - though, let's not kid ourselves, we're still capitalistic social democracies at best. The US MSM is just that much more transparent to the outside world. But if you're American and you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge that news media has vested interests in keeping the political status quo and/or natural biases that keep it from thinking outside of a certain political frame, now is a good time to start considering it. It's already pretty blatant with Sanders, but if he doesn't get the nom or the presidency, and the next 4-8 years are spent under Trump, Bloomberg or some centrist dem, expect the cracks to show even more once AOC runs in 2028. Heck, the cracks might show even more as soon as 2021 if Sanders becomes president. I can empathize with you on some level; the idea that the supposed Fourth Estate isn't that independent or freethinking is scary. And when you've been fed one particular political ideology your whole life, it's hard to deprogram yourself and see through the bullshit. It's a pretty well-oiled Plato's Cave you got there.
This is not to say it's a uniquely American issue; many countries, including mine, have the exact same issue, only they start from a different place. And to be clear, I'm not talking about some grand conspiracy - leave that to would-be fascists. In many cases, it might simply be quasi-unconscious biases. When Chris Matthews is scared that the left is going to execute him in Central Park, he's being ridiculous... But I also think he's being genuine, sadly, and that worldview will undoubtedly taint his reporting. Most reporters, articles, op-eds and such will be a bit more subtle so as not to break the illusion of objectivity. It's all about plausible deniability, and that CNN Live segment with the right-to-left ranking might be one such example of very subtle, plausibly deniable bias. Or it might not, who cares; there are already enough examples of media bias out there. However, at some point... you gotta realize these things, as uncomfortable as that realization might make you. And now's the right time.
Holy shit I completely forgot DiBlasio was in this race at the start lol
CNN having a bias against Bernie is not a conspiracy. They've had a lot of very oddly formatted poll graphics that were very obviously designed in a way to obfuscate the fact that Bernie is a front runner and a candidate with a lot of support. If this was a one off thing maybe I'd give them the benefit of the doubt, but I refuse to believe that they are incompetent at making poll graphics.
Daily Mail citing Drudge, so probably bullshit, but 😂😂😂:
Mod Edit: While Drudge does occasionally break legitimate news, please to not cite The Daily Mail.
Mod Edit: While Drudge does occasionally break legitimate news, please to not cite The Daily Mail.
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Do you? Have you ever seen a power ranking ordered from last to first??
This isnt a valid claim to make based on what we know for a fact is a clear bias in the corporate media. Especially based on one example your attempting to dispute out of the many highlighted
Bloomberg already has plenty of kids in cages and would love to tax the poor a lot more than right now because he thinks it gives them 'better habits'
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I really hope people here don't take the bait. Drudge isn't worth virtual bird cage lining.
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None of those things are good or even preferable to others. Trump is bad, kids in cages is bad, recession is bad, Bloomberg is bad.
That's actually in Mesquite, a more conservative suburb of Dallas - granted it's only about 20min from downtown Dallas. Somehow I missed he'd be there! That's like 5min from my house.
lol that's one easy way to get clicks
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IDK Drudge are the ones who broke the Clinton / Lewinsky scandal lol
Part of me wants to see that just to see the reactions.
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IIRC, Sanders has been in democratic leadership for 4 years and has caucused with dems for a majority of his time in Washington. Bloomberg has spent a majority of his life up to the last election cycle donating to the GOP
Democratic Presidential Candidate Michael Bloomberg Is a GOP Bankroller - EXPOSEDbyCMD
Over the last decade, the deep-pocketed former Republican used his wealth to help give control of the Senate to Republicans.
www.exposedbycmd.org
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Oh god this is the crossover I never knew I needed. Please let this happen!
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Why Michael Bloomberg vetoed the living wage | Paul Harris
Paul Harris: New York's mayor enjoys a reputation as a liberal centrist, but his record shows the iron fist of a free-market fundamentalist
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They didn't gun for the Black president because he didn't come after them. Obama was not a threat to wealthy people or the ruling class. If Obama had Bernie's politics or the zealous advocacy for Black people that heroes of decades past had, he would have been deceased for at least five years by now. He knew his lane and was not going to rock the boat.
See: The entire 60s and 70s Civil/Black Rights movement.
I support and root for the left-wing of the party but I am concerned for them at the same time.
Did you see the fucking Tea Party rallies? Say what you want about Obama did but he made white people go fucking nuts.
FBI kept tabs on Malcom 7 years before he rose to national prominence, if Obama had 1/100 the zeal of Malcolm he would never have made it to the Senate forget the WH lmao
You can make white people go nuts...but dont threaten their money or the established POWER structure. As long as the white institution is preserved and you actively hold it up, you can cause a bit of social unrest just fine by existing as a different color.
This is what Cornel west was criticizing in his "obama is blackface" comments
If everyone else is determined to veto Bernie (and that would happen) , he won't get it. Better to get some of what you want, than nothing, especially when there's a chance it could end up Bloomberg. If you only end up with 35% of the delegates, you haven't necessarily won even if you have the most at the end.
The Republicans tried this strategy against Trump in 2016, it failed, but that was the idea- force a contested convention then veto Trump. If the Republicans had run under the Dem's 2020 rules, it would have succeeded.
God I hope he TANKS hard after all this is brought up in the debate.
Fuck this bastard.
IIRC, Sanders has been in democratic leadership for 4 years and has caucused with dems for a majority of his time in Washington. Bloomberg has spent a majority of his life up to the last election cycle donating to the GOP
Democratic Presidential Candidate Michael Bloomberg Is a GOP Bankroller - EXPOSEDbyCMD
Over the last decade, the deep-pocketed former Republican used his wealth to help give control of the Senate to Republicans.
CNN is so lazy,
Bloomberg is a Republican
Veoting Bernie who has a plurality of votes would destroy the Democratic party from the inside. Clear exodus of millions of people and creation of third party level. There is no way the Democratic party will outright take the nomination away from Sanders if he wins a plurality of votes. Any deal will be on Sanders terms outright if we get to a contested convention.
Yeah you're right that Bernie will have a lot of power and moves to play, especially the "I'll run third party if you pick Bloomberg" nuclear option. I just can't help but worry when I see shit like this:
Primary voters for Biden and Sanders have a bigger overlap than Biden with Bloomberg
i mean it's just a joke about this ridiculous media fusing all the score together against bernie, i posted it in answer to that tweet, don't need to think that much about one dumb image
you joke but that's what mccain did and he was the liberal's darling. might be a strategy worth pursuing.
Can you imagine having two legendarily horrible rich person stereotypes as our only choices for president?
Maybe it's just who we are, in the end.
www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/michael-bloomberg-women/
Just a small snippet from the above NYT Bloomberg article on his misogyny/sexism/sexual harassment:
Just a small snippet from the above NYT Bloomberg article on his misogyny/sexism/sexual harassment:
holy fucking satan asshole.
Maybe people should stop defending Bloomberg even in a hypothetical, yeah?
"If we can't have it by consent, let's just kill it and strip the corpse."
He's a democrat because he's willing to bribe anyone he needs on his side.
He's not. He just has a ton of money and hates Trump. That is good enough for some democrats.
Holy shit. This bankrolling occurred after the Flint water crisis was firmly understood.
With each bit of news I was regretting my decision to vote for Mike for his first tenure as mayor but with this I'll never consider voting for him in the general election.
The DNC better not help him to win through a brokered convention.
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