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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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A nice history lesson on the 2016 Nevada caucus. Harry Reid is a massive power player in the state, and he went all in on securing it for Clinton. Thankfully, he's staying out of it this time. Kingmakers like Reid and Obama should not be getting involved in a primary.
Thanks. I know every bit helps, but I have to mention a woman I met on my plane ride back who was there for a whole week canvassing all day and was even trying to stay longer. She was planning on going to South Carolina next too. It's funny cause we would have actually met her on our first canvas site at the campaign office (one of many offices), but we were 20 minutes late due to a Google Maps issue. Ended up switching our seats on the flight at the gate for various reasons and that put us in her row. Odd way to end my trip.
Yeah when you see the area they live in it isn't too surprising to see why someone would be disillusioned. I should be clear that I would say the majority of people we spoke to were going to vote against Trump in the general, but as you can imagine deciding among the Democrats who to believe in or if it even made a difference wasn't on the top of their minds. That requires someone to be watching this dog and pony show for months. Like I said even though most explicit supporters were for Bernie it's tough for people to believe, even if they want to.
Alright I'll concede that you are far more knowledgeable on this topic than I am. You bring up very good points that would make Sanders plan more aspirational than what is realistic. Since were being realistic here, I think the reality is that neither Sanders or Warren have taken into account the issues that you have brought up. Warrens bill for executing her plan is literally a page long. Warren hasn't explained how she's going to train the 1.5 million workers needed for her plan.
I support both Sanders and Warren in their plans. But I don't warren has a particularly unique ability in crafting policy that she gets praised for. If you compare Bernie's plan to Warren's, you'll notice they are more or less the same. Investing a ton of money money into the housing trust fund. Beyond that, Sanders actually identifies the need for housing that doesn't exist, which is 7.4 million homes. Warrens number in comparison seems arbitrary.
I think the truth is that people just like Warren because she goes into detail about causes and how her specific policies will work. Whereas Bernie just sticks with the high level details because the truth is the details bore people to death.
And I have to say that I like that Bernie actually identifies the need of 7.4 million affordable homes, and then overshoots! I'm sure 7.4 million is still unrealistic in 10 years. But it's worth trying and if we can allocate the funding for it then maybe it's something we can do over the next 20 years instead of 10.
And again, I'm not the expert that you are and maybe I'm completely off base here. But just comparing their plans as the non expert I am, I don't see that warrens plan is objectively better. And I think Sanders approach of identifying the need first is a better approach. We should always aim for perfection, even when we know it's unachievable.
It really amazes me much some people really want to hate Bernie.
I can understand questioning the kind of people he hires or endorses. That, I feel, is a legitimate criticism that I have taken issue with as well. But ever since became the frontrunner, the media and anti-Bernie people have become absolutely unbearable.
I can understand questioning the kind of people he hires or endorses. That, I feel, is a legitimate criticism that I have taken issue with as well. But ever since became the frontrunner, the media and anti-Bernie people have become absolutely unbearable.
Warrens bill is literally a page long. If you compare it to Sanders plan, they are practically the same - investing heavily in the housing trust fund. Neither of them have addressed how they are going to overcome the logistical obstacles of actually implementing their plans. On top of that, Sanders actually indicates in his plan that there is a need for 7.4 million affordable housing units. So no, I'm not going to say that the person who is shooting for half of what we need has the better plan.
It's a primary. You have to remember he's not the choice for more people than he is the choice. He's also the frontrunner, so he's going to get a lot of shit.
There's no defending the media stuff though.
The venn diagram of Mueller diehards and never-Bernies is one complete circle.
Man this and the Iowa coin toss bullshit is really fucking with my blood pressure.
This is all true, but there's a very particular hatred of Bernie that's been pervasive throughout the entire race, and even before it began. I know why it's there, a lot of people invested a lot of themselves in 2016 and need an outlet for their frustration, but that doesn't excuse it. I'm not really active on Twitter, but some of the vilest comments I've seen toward a candidate on this site have been made toward Bernie.
You can't name a candidate that hasn't had absolutely awful things said about them here. Bernie is no unique victim in this regard.
Yesterday we had a prominent liberal poster here straight up say they were fine with him dying, no other candidate has had that kind of vitriol towards them here.
Eh.... I don't know about here, but the media has been especially harsh in a number of instances. I mean it has been suggested he'd start executing people in NYC. People on MSNBC basically foaming at the mouth.
Not everyone has gotten that level of.... discourse.
I'm not saying that at all. It just seems to me like the nature of the hatred towards Bernie skews a little differently. Like he's pure fucking evil and his decades of public service have all been in pursuit of some nefarious goal.
EDIT: That's all I'll say on this matter, I don't want to derail into a metacommentary discussion and my feelings are a little too nebulous for me to articulate.
Cold blooded... I just saw a picture of the lady at the podium, in it she was walking with a group throwing the middle finger. I guess if something happens like this again nothing can be done to stop it especially if people stick to the NDA. Sanders people can double check that they have the right papers, but they could think of something else to get them kicked out. The ball is in their court, they can write the rules on the fly. Democracy.
I hope everyone and their mom records this time. Get all angles, show that no one is throwing chairs and stuff, but it could still be said that "Bernie Bros" were violent, causing trouble, threatening people.
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Thanks for sharing that. I'm going to get a lot of mileage by quoting this website.
Interesting that's your experience because in my experience the hatred of Bernie has been nowhere near Obama or Clinton levels as of now. Like not even remotely in the ballpark as of this time. Kerry also got it worse from what I remember but that was in the general.
Jason Johnson does not belong on MSNBC or any television news network period. AOC and squad need to address and signal boost this big time. MSNBC needs to be called out.
Blows my mind a Republican had so many fanboys here
Avenatti was less of a grifter
He also has a weekly column on The Root that continues to be very disappointing with some of his rankings.
I think the hate towards Pete is the most vitriolic on here. I'm talking specifically this thread.
It's the nature of the beast though. People have favorites and not so favorites and every candidate is in our face 24/7 thanks to Twitter and general campaign nonsense.
I mean, we're seeing Bernie get accused of commanding brown shirt death squads with the intent of carrying out executions in Central Park, on national TV.
Every candidate gets a lot of hate and venom, but the shit being said about Bernie on major platforms by supposedly reputable people is, I think, pretty unparalleled.
About what time tomorrow will we start to get results? Maddow just said it starts at 10am Nevada time.
Right. I think the person I quoted was talking about this forum specifically though.
We literally had people going full racist conspiracy theory about Obama and that was just a starting point.
what a fucking moron. my man has had some real-ass takes on his twitter since the oligarch deal. just mush for brains all around
It's such an outrageously deceitful argument, too. The guy is a three term mayor, eight term congressman and two term senator. You'd think he was talking about Andrew Yang or Marianne Williamson. This guy is a known and respected person in Washington. I can only imagine how disappointed Pete's younger self would be by the garbage he spews today. He knows better.
But those were right wingers (and mostly fringe) spouting that nonsense. Right now we have MSNBC, the supposed "left wing" mainstream news channel telling its (presumably) left-leaning viewers, that Bernie is a grotesque monster in the vein of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.
The point here is that even Liberals are engaging with the character assassination of Bernie and his supporters.
Got to find a way to delay naming Bernie the winner for as long as possible, just like Iowa.
I mean, how else will Pete be able to falsely claim victory??
I meant specific to this race, but even then, that shit's proponents in the media were all solidly conservative outlets. It wasn't Tom Brokaw calling Barack and Michelle's fist bump a terrorist fist jab.
It would be comparable if these attacks were happening just in Murdoch Land, but here, we're seeing the "reasonable" media outlets peddling this trash just as fervently as their conservative counterparts.
This is horseshit. They do realize that in addition to fucking over voters, they're making themselves into a laughingstock, right?
Also I thought all these fancy new apps were supposed to alleviate this crap, not just fucking make it worse.
The best part is that they're going put the blame for delays on Bernie for requiring them to release actual election data as is done in all other democratic countries on the planet.
Why do we believe these people are competent? Why?
NDAs, days long delays of election results and union fuckery misleading voters into thinking they they were voting for insurance instead of presidential nominee.
This is not going to be a clean or fun weekend and they wonder why American belief in Democracy is falling day by day.
Why do we believe these people are competent? Why?
NDAs, days long delays of election results and union fuckery misleading voters into thinking they they were voting for insurance instead of presidential nominee.
This is not going to be a clean or fun weekend and they wonder why American belief in Democracy is falling day by day.
#YoSoyUnBro
I unfortunately missed the majority of that last debate, in which Bloomberg makes his debut.
If it's true what they say that Klobuchar went at Buttigieg like Christie on Rubio, well then, shit... if she keeps that up and is still in the race by the time primaries get around to my state, she will have my vote.
#YoSoyUnBro
I unfortunately missed the majority of that last debate, in which Bloomberg makes his debut.
If it's true what they say that Klobuchar went at Buttigieg like Christie on Rubio, well then, shit... if she keeps that up and is still in the race by the time primaries get around to my state, she will have my vote.
#YoSoyUnBro
Clinton and Obama had it way worse in '08 to say nothing of afterwards.
Pete went pretty hard after everyone (except Bloomberg, who he only had minimal shots at oddly enough) but the Pete-Klob exchanges are probably what those two are going to carry with them from that debate.
Seeing the "BernieKnew" and "BernieIsARussianAssett" hashtags leads me to believe Russia got exactly what they wanted. If people would read the article it's actually explicit that this was a plot to help get Trump reelected, and they chose Sanders purely to make everyone question the validity of the elections. Of course no one's going to read the article, and the Russian government knows that. It just needed to get out.
Been waiting for this shit to happen for a while now, whoever the candidate would be.
Stuff like this makes us feel better when there´s so much fuckery going on.
Were lucky if we get anything before the SC debate. All masks are off and they won´t let him have his moment if the polls are indeed correct.
Know what would be peak Pete? If he got a black surrogate to announce his victory through a press release, and that black surrogate didn't know they did it!
So uh, I just found this. From 8 years ago:
www.usjf.net
Not sure if trustworthy, but...welp.
Apparently it's not the first itme they tried this shit either.
Why Putin Wants Obama to Win
The 2012 U.S. presidential election presents a contrast to the 2008 election in terms of their perceptions by the Russian elite. In 2008, then-President Dmitry Medvedev expressed a desire to work w…
www.usjf.net
Not sure if trustworthy, but...welp.
Apparently it's not the first itme they tried this shit either.
Bernie is out for blood. The Democratic party is his for the taking
They can't stop him, they can only hope to contain him
They can't stop him, they can only hope to contain him
I mean, are we all just gonna pretend we didn't see Chris Matthews on live TV suggest Bernie was gonna execute him in Central Park?
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