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Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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Oct 28, 2017
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You realize the FL polling showed Sanders going up slightly after his comments, right? You've ignored that too despite that being pointed out to you.
Like its been said, the only group that his comments would seriously piss off would be a certain segment of the Cuban American community who are sufficiently anti-Castro.

Reminder: a lot of them Cubans pushed out of Cuba were basically slave owners. I don't think them peoples are Democratic Party voters.
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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Huh? Bernie didn't write off South Carolina. He's done multiple events in the state. By the way, a week ago there was an election in Nevada...
I guess writing it off is too strong. I just felt he could have done more events and in particular, right after Nevada, he was campaigning in Texas. I think he could have done a few more events in SC.
 

TurokTTZ

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Oct 25, 2017
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South Carolina early polls are what I expected.

Still hurts to see Biden leading though.

Hopefully that lead shrinks as more votes are counted.

Sanders has continued to climb in national polls post-debate

No one outside Florida gives a shit about Castro
Can't speak for everyone but the Latino community here in Houston, Texas gives zero shits about what Sanders said about Castro. However the Latino community ain't unified. Cubans in particular for w/e reason always seem to vote republican. Even before the Castro comments, I've tried but to no avail to convince Cubans in my area to vote D. A sad state of affairs.
 
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BobLoblaw

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Oct 27, 2017
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  1. ACA is trash, its basically a Heritage Foundation health care plan to keep the medical insurance scam going. Where insurance companies didn't play ball with Hillarycare, they intelligently played ball here.
  2. Paris Climate Agreement is completely meaningless. It is like Kyoto. No one follows it, its performative bullshit.
  3. The nuclear deal with Iran is like the sole great achievement from Obama's presidency
  4. No one really cares about scandals, they want stuff done.
....except they got shit done. He also rescued the country from the recession, ended the war in Iraq, ordered the killing of Bin Laden, saved the car industry, signed Dodd-Frank, started normalizing relations with Cuba, got rid of don't ask don't tell, signed the Lilly Ledbetter act, lowered deficits, and way more.

Don't come to me and tell me he didn't get anything done. It was a collective effort between him and his administration and to accomplish all of that and not have a single scandal was a testament to people he had.
 

GoldenEye 007

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Oct 25, 2017
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Texas
and he was polling competitive in SC for a while now but the results tonight is shalacking
He never led and polls for a long period of time had anywhere from single digit losses to double digit losses. You have no proof that the same Castro comments that Obama made is what did Sanders in. Biden simply has a much more intuitive relationship with southern voters. Especially black southern voters. You also seem to ignore that Obama sought normalization with that same dictator regime. Yet Biden's Obama association is loved here.
 

Frozenprince

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Oct 25, 2017
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Like its been said, the only group that his comments would seriously piss off would be a certain segment of the Cuban American community who are sufficiently anti-Castro.

Reminder: a lot of them Cubans pushed out of Cuba were basically slave owners. I don't think them peoples are Democratic Party voters.
Most of them hate the Dems because Kennedy fucked them with the Bay of Pigs.

Yes really.
 
Nov 5, 2017
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So, when Trump debated Hillary in 2016, he acted like a 5th grader bully. He didn't approach it intelligently. The point is, and I'm trying to make this kindly, being a media spectacle is clearly more advantageous than actually being a good candidate.

Trump got all the attention and air time. Hillary won the popular vote but, it didn't matter. We were all drowning in Trump Media Land.

Point is, Trump already has a nickname for every one of our candidates and Joe Biden is likely his easiest target. He's got the bullshit ukraine scandal to dangle over his head, but best of all for him, he's got the entire backlog of OBAMA HATE ready to go if Biden runs. It's very easy for Trump to equate Joe to Obama. Hell, Joe likes being compared to Obama.

Trump needs an opponent he can be the biggest bully to. That's all it would take.

I'm in Bernies court because Bernie too, is a loud New Yorker that has been known as a bulldog in the senate. He is wittier and smarter than Trump and I believe he can play him at his game. Not by being a bully, but by giving it back to him without misstepping as Biden is known to do.

Bernie can also control his own temper. Biden cannot. Biden and Trump would devolve into a yelling match quite easily after one personally barbs the other one. Bernie would keep it about the issues. You notice he does this in the debates. If someone calls him a "socialist" or (fuck bloomberg) "communist" he doesn't lose his shit and call them something. He pivots the attack like this "If medicare for all and free college and minimum wage are socialist ideas, then I guess that's what it is. These are not radical ideas." He immediately makes it about the issues. In turn, he makes it so that you're not attacking Bernie, you're attacking his policies which are actually really good things and now, you look like the asshole.

Sorry for the rant but, I wanted to get it out in text.

TL;DR Trump doesn't need to be an expert to win in debates. He's the president now and he didn't get there being an expert about anything.
Exactly, this is because we live in the social media era, and it seems "media bites" are more significant than a fact-driven and intelligent debate. That is why Trump is doing so well, he can capitalize on the enormous impact of social media and win....

Hyperbole wins over facts....
 

onpoint

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Oct 26, 2017
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Biden winning SC was always a given, no? Does anyone really think this is going to boost him going into Super Tuesday?
 

Casa

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just feel like if Biden is coached and prepared well enough he can combine policy attacks with his charming "Uncle Joe" personality to smack Trump in a debate. I'm not worried about him at all yet.

Bernie we certainly wouldn't need to worry about in a debate. He would humiliate and embarrass Trump. I highly, highly doubt we'd see him debate Bernie more than once. He would cry about the unfair questions and mean, nasty moderators and refuse to do it again.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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We're at 25%, still a lot to go but we're beyond the absentee vote. Steyer's not budging but Sanders getting above 20% seems likely.
 
May 26, 2018
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Wow. This is the most incredible blowout I've ever seen. There were those who said polls historically are bad at predicting the older black vote, but what happened here?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I just feel like if Biden is coached and prepared well enough he can combine policy attacks with his charming "Uncle Joe" personality to smack Trump in a debate. I'm not worried about him at all yet.

Bernie we certainly wouldn't need to worry about in a debate. He would humiliate and embarrass Trump. I highly, highly doubt we'd see him debate Bernie more than once. He would cry about the unfair questions and mean, nasty moderators and refuse to do it again.
I’m starting to wonder if Trump will even go to debate this election from what I’ve been reading lately.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
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I just feel like if Biden is coached and prepared well enough he can combine policy attacks with his charming "Uncle Joe" personality to smack Trump in a debate. I'm not worried about him at all yet.

Bernie we certainly wouldn't need to worry about in a debate. He would humiliate and embarrass Trump. I highly, highly doubt we'd see him debate Bernie more than once. He would cry about the unfair questions and mean, nasty moderators and refuse to do it again.
There's a nonzero chance Trump dodges the debates no matter who the candidate is, honestly.
 

Psychonaut

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Jan 11, 2018
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Bloomberg and Biden are so easily rattled in a debate that I could imagine Trump actually showing up to those. Same goes for Buttigieg. Hell, I think Bloomberg would avoid Trump if we got down to that nightmare scenario. Warren is a toss-up, depending on how much mileage he thinks he could get out of the "Pocahontas" line.

Straight-up, Bernie is the only one Trump is certain to avoid like the plague.
 

Ashane

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Oct 25, 2017
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Florida
and he was polling competitive in SC for a while now but the results tonight is shalacking
Polling showed him around 20% of the vote. He will get around 20% of the vote.

What collapsed is everyone else's support. Steyer in particular looks to have had all his support just eaten by Biden. He was polling 15-18% depending upon which you looked at, now 11%. Warren also dropped a few %'s.
 
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