Lord of Ostia Member Oct 27, 2017 17,697 Mar 1, 2020 #35,601 Hudsoniscool said: Thank you. I do have empathy. But I just figure if I can pull myself out of minimum wage washing dishes. Living on my own from 16. Father in prison. Mother a suicidal drug addict. If I can do that. I feel most of the others people who started where I did could as well if they put their mind and body to it. Click to expand... Click to shrink... Look man, that's an extremely rough upbringing. It makes me more empathetic to you than I was being previously, even though I stand by what I said about most of your positions being moronic. And it's great that you've made a better life for yourself. The reality is though...that there are people from even worse situations than what you are describing. Who cannot just "pull themselves out of it", for a vast multitude of reasons, most of which are not their fault. You have to recognize that even your own situation involves a lot of chance and luck. If you have empathy...then use it.