Luckily, Florida takes place after Super Tuesday. So a lot can potentially change by then.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Those damn independents who are too far left of the norm, shifting allegiances to something viable to broadcast their message.
I kinda wonder how well that speaks for our current candidate lineup when someone can come in late and get double digit support?
Is there just a whole lot of really fickle or basically undecided support out there? Or is there an underlying feeling of "well I don't really like anyone all that much"?
it will be worse, more time goes, more and more Bloomberg can buy the airwaves
Bloomberg will take Florida and it will be a notch for him
we are better off with Biden winning Florida than Bloomberg
I know one person who told me she was thinking about supporting Bloomberg IRL, and her logic was basically
- we need someone Trump hates. He hates Bloomberg!
- Beating Trump is most important
- Who cares what his policies are
It speaks to how uniformed the electorate is. They're getting blasted with Bloomberg, and the layperson sees this rich person and rich=smart so there we are.
Looking at these St. Pete Polls results more closely and the age-based results continue to make no sense. Here are the age brackets ranked based on how large a share Biden has:
In terms of population percentages, black people are well over-represented in this poll, but that likely reflects the focus on "likely voters" (whatever that means), which may in turn explain the also notably underrepresented Hispanic population.
- 18 - 29
- 30 - 49
- 70+
- 50 - 69
In terms of population percentages, black people are well over-represented in this poll, but that likely reflects the focus on "likely voters" (whatever that means), which may in turn explain the also notably underrepresented Hispanic population.
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I don't think it's that hopeless, honestly. Bernie's volunteers have been putting in some work down here, as decentralized as Florida democratic bodies tend to be. A week before Iowa, the campaign directed us to start banking/canvassing in our local states and there have been a decent amount of successful events these past weeks.
With Bloomberg on the rise I think I'll just stop paying attention until the convention. Keeping up with the process is actually completely pointless if Bernie doesn't get 1990 delegates. Rather not get my hopes up and just wait for the inevitable chaos of the brokered convention.
It shows that, for the most part, unless you're about to cast a vote in a primary, you're not paying attention to this that closely. Bloomberg may be spending like a drunken sailor, but he also has vague name recognition and that's helping him get up there in polls. If it were just money involved, Steyer would be polling higher.
Basically, no Democratic candidate has truly pulled away from the pack to be considered an honest-to-goodness "frontrunner", in my opinion.
I agree. It's a pretty weak field overall, at least insofar as we're discussing candidates with obvious weaknesses that would hinder them from reaching 1990 delegates. But, that's usually all candidates. I agree there's no front-runner who's obviously running away with it, but it's also quite early.
I don't think there's necessarily an underlying feeling of "I don't like anyone all that much," but I do think there are at the very least soft caps on candidates' ceilings. They can break through, but they all have work to do.
It's unquestionably a weak line-up as far as I'm concerned. Joe Biden just looks like he's decomposing, Warren would, in my opinion, make a fine President but doesn't have 'it' and therefore isn't catching on with the public, Buttigieg is a small city mayor with a bland offering and Bernie "Very Fine People" Sanders just isn't very likeable despite having a fervent support base, and, if he's the nominee, will be slammed with wall to wall ads showing the clip of him saying "I am a socialist" en route to the worst Democratic performance in a Presidential election since Dukakis.
Bernie is incredibly likable, dude. Almost every Republican I know at least respects him, even if they don't agree with him.
Do you think this isn't going to be the case for every candidate lol?
Bernie remains the most likely to achieve the nomination. He polls well vs. Trump in head-to-heads. He should understand that youth turnout is notoriously unreliable and factor that into future campaign decision-making. But, it's likely that he will become president.
And yet, I think Bernie will be a wildly ineffective president. I hope he will not be ineffective, and I'd like to be proven wrong; I just don't think I will be. And yet, based on the current field and because of Warren's non-viability, I wish his campaign the best because it's currently trending positively.
Doesn't mean a thing because the majority of people simply aren't especially engaged until an election rolls around. If he's the nominee he will be in the news every second of every day and it won't take long until he's Corbynised.
Bloomberg's numbers are inflated and based on nothing but ads. The minute he gets on that debate stage, he will be exposed.
And once his record undergoes actual real scrutiny, that's a double whammy. Mike fucking Bloomberg is not winning a Democratic primary.
Early days yet, but Bernard is still top dog right now with a hugely divided moderate lane. He's almost exactly where Trump was in 2016 and he came out of it with the nomination. Same shit will happen here because none of these other establishment Dems are actual good candidates.
And once his record undergoes actual real scrutiny, that's a double whammy. Mike fucking Bloomberg is not winning a Democratic primary.
Early days yet, but Bernard is still top dog right now with a hugely divided moderate lane. He's almost exactly where Trump was in 2016 and he came out of it with the nomination. Same shit will happen here because none of these other establishment Dems are actual good candidates.
Fox News called Buttigieg a socialist lol. They are gonna use that boogeyman against anyone who is the nominee.
Wrong. Bernie is authentic and the Dems will fall in love with him in the general. Comparing him to Dukakis is a joke.
Some people can transcend that. It's a lot harder when the candidate foolishly uses the word.
honestly, a lot of the more distant state polling numbers are mostly undecided support. most campaigns have just now started to run in super tuesday states, to say nothing of states after that. this generally ends up meaning that a lot of voters are undecided because they just haven't really seen much of these candidates yet - I know that's weird to say, considering how obsessively some people follow the whole primary (and I don't say this pejoratively, I'm kind of one of them), but a lot of voters have no opinion until they see ads or someone knocks on their door.
this ends up meaning that a lot of people fall into either the "no idea" category, or pick the person whose name they recognize and feel vaguely positively about. for the most part, that slot is filled by bloomberg (who has been advertising a lot nationwide) or biden (who is joe biden). those voters are reachable and persuadable, and this is a trend we end up seeing in a lot of states. things will change as we get closer - we're only just now seeing movement in some of the super tuesday states (e.g. the texas poll that had sanders up).
this ends up meaning that a lot of people fall into either the "no idea" category, or pick the person whose name they recognize and feel vaguely positively about. for the most part, that slot is filled by bloomberg (who has been advertising a lot nationwide) or biden (who is joe biden). those voters are reachable and persuadable, and this is a trend we end up seeing in a lot of states. things will change as we get closer - we're only just now seeing movement in some of the super tuesday states (e.g. the texas poll that had sanders up).
Obama was called a socialist even after bailing out the banks and coming out as extremely corp friendly. Hillary was called a socialist. GOP will call any Dem a socialist. That's the least of our worries.
Democrats need to bring up Bloomberg's past a Republican
the guy was a self-identified Republican as Mayor and stumped for George W. Bush against John Kerry
the guy was a self-identified Republican as Mayor and stumped for George W. Bush against John Kerry
Who is gonna expose Bloomberg? Biden? Lol
Bloomberg doesn't need to win a primary, just the nomination.
I'm fairly certain Sanders knows how to handle people calling him "Socialist!" without issue. He's had practice lol.
EDIT: lol just noticed what channel this was on
I'm fairly certain Sanders knows how to handle people calling him "Socialist!" without issue. He's had practice lol.
EDIT: lol just noticed what channel this was on
Do you have the original video this clip comes from?
If authenticity and left wing politics was a winning combination, the world would be considerably less fucked right now.
Sanders Calls for End of Online Attacks, Calls Harassment 'Unacceptable'
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders called for his supporters to end their harassment of the Nevada Culinary Workers Union after the union warned its members against Sanders' Medicare for All plan. "We can certainly disagree on issues," Sanders said, "but we must do it in a respectful manner."
www.newsweek.com
'"Harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me, and we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks," Sanders said in a statement.
"Anybody making personal attacks against anybody else in my name is not part of our movement," Sanders said. "We don't want them. And I'm not so sure, to be honest with you, that they are necessarily part of our movement."'
There, he's said it for the 500th time. Does that please you all yet?
I'm fairly certain Sanders knows how to handle people calling him "Socialist!" without issue. He's had practice lol.
EDIT: lol just noticed what channel this was on
is that wu-tang decal real or shopped in
Why? He's tracking for an easy plurality of delegates
It's a lot easier to drill the message home when the candidate is literally on film saying "I am a socialist". The sort of candidates capable of transcending the labelling won't have said that and certainly won't be almost 80 years old.
That's what they want, press on. Fuck em. We can win this against all odds if people keeping showing up and fighting.
At the very least it indicates that the majority of primary voters want them as a candidate. Why people want to disregard that and expect the party to construct a ticket that wouldn't have said candidate is beyond me.
He's gonna expose himself lmfao. You can't win a primary or nomination with just TV ads. Those have diminishing returns after a while.
There's reason to worry but it's not reason to freak out that Bloomberg is the nominee.
Warren already went at him last debate. It will continue next one with all of them getting at him.
These candidates all spent all sorts of time and money in Iowa/NH. They're not gonna let Billionaire Bloomberg skate by unscathed.
Sanders Calls for End of Online Attacks, Calls Harassment 'Unacceptable'
Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders called for his supporters to end their harassment of the Nevada Culinary Workers Union after the union warned its members against Sanders' Medicare for All plan. "We can certainly disagree on issues," Sanders said, "but we must do it in a respectful manner."
'"Harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me, and we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks," Sanders said in a statement.
"Anybody making personal attacks against anybody else in my name is not part of our movement," Sanders said. "We don't want them. And I'm not so sure, to be honest with you, that they are necessarily part of our movement."'
There, he's said it for the 500th time. Does that please you all yet?
the people who constantly hammer Sanders for twitter and reddit randos (that they literally seek out so they can then bitch about them) will never be satisfied
they're not acting in good faith so honestly it doesn't matter what they think
Damn. I needed that. Thanks ya'll
Time to donate some more.
That wouldn't necessarily be the case. There could well be a sort of 'centrist bloc' with more votes between them.
He's gonna look pretty embarrassed though when Nancy Pelosi doesn't stand up at his inauguration!
if Bernie has 40ish% of the delegates and he doesnt get the nomination, the democratic party will implode.
Yeah, the liberals looking to Bloomberg as an answer to their existential fear of Bernie's democratic socialism haven't thought things through fully. Maybe he wins some independents but the Democratic base is not going to show up for this guy, no matter how awful Trump is. I think Bernie as the frontrunner has broken people! I hope that, as we get closer to the end of the primaries, the center-left, and establishment media outlets, start to cool down and coalesce around Sanders as the nominee that we need to beat Trump.
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