Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

[julian]

couldn't find any second choice stats but here are the favorables for the candidates from this poll

"Sanders (71 percent favorable, 25 percent unfavorable) and Warren (71 percent favorable, 23 percent unfavorable) had the highest favorability among the candidates. They were followed by Biden (68 percent favorable, 28 percent unfavorable), Steyer (64 percent favorable, 23 percent unfavorable), Klobuchar (62 percent favorable, 17 percent unfavorable) and Buttigieg (59 percent favorable, 25 percent unfavorable)"

Sanders holds lead heading into Nevada’s Democratic caucuses, poll finds

The Vermont senator leads the field by a solid margin among likely Democratic caucusgoers going into the four-day early voting period, a Review-Journal poll shows.

www.reviewjournal.com

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Glad to see how likable most of them are already viewed.

 

[Deleted member 46493]

NV polls/NV in general is very messy and anything can happen but this is surprising.



From the poll posted today, 68% are over 45.

 

[Euphoria]

I mean, this is horrible, but also "worst group in either party by far." There are literal Nazi's in the other party. This guy, alongside Chuck Todd, are moderating the next debate.

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I hope the debate starts with Bernie calling them out for this garbage. Set the tone early and try and curb the bullshit people like Chuck Todd can do because as of right now I can't expect them to be fair during the debates.

Edit - To be specific I hope he brings the quotes Chuck repeated on air about his fans, comparing them to Nazis while Bernie himself is a Jewish person who from my knowledge had a lot of his family wiped out during the Holocaust.

The moment Chuck Todd asks a question to Bernie regarding his followers Sanders should slam him with that bullshit quote he felt needed to be shared on air.

 

[Steel]

So, it also occurred to me again that a not entirely out of the question scenario of a contested convention is a Bernie-Bloomberg ticket. Which, I'm conflicted about. VP Bloomberg means infinite campaign money. On the other hand, it would be terrible for a whole slew of reasons.

Biden totally assumed momentum and media coverage wouldn't affect his "strongholds" and "firewalls".

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What sunk Biden was Bloomberg. If Bloomer didn't eat his votes he'd still be hovering that 27% national line. It's sorta what happened between Warren and Pete.

 

[Bradbatross]

NV polls/NV in general is very messy and anything can happen but this is surprising.



From the poll posted today, 68% are over 45.

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Do we know what the actual breakdown was is 2016?
Edit - Looks like about 63% over 50.

 

[Deleted member 4346]

So, it also occurred to me again that a not entirely out of the question scenario of a contested convention is a Bernie-Bloomberg ticket. Which, I'm conflicted about. VP Bloomberg means infinite campaign money. On the other hand, it would be terrible for a whole slew of reasons.

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There's zero chance this happens. Zero. If you are going to have a moderate on the ticket it will be someone younger, with experience, and less baggage. Bloomberg is just antithetical to everything the Sanders movement stands for.

 

[Steel]

There's zero chance this happens. Zero. If you are going to have a moderate on the ticket it will be someone younger, with experience, and less baggage. Bloomberg is just antithetical to everything the Sanders movement stands for.

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The thing with a contested conventions is that it requires all candidates to get concessions. Bernie might not have a choice. And if there's anything I trust about Bloomberg, it's his vanity. He'd at minimum want VP out of it. I wouldn't put it past him to threaten to go third party otherwise.

 

[Doran]

What sunk Biden was Bloomberg. If Bloomer didn't eat his votes he'd still be hovering that 27% national line. It's sorta what happened between Warren and Pete.

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It bothers me that Bloomberg is getting so much support on the Dem side because I am a big believer of getting the money out of politics and he is not only buying advertising but buying the media. Not even including some of the awful things he has said / done.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

So far this Primary season younger turn out has been higher.

 

[Version 3.0]

Surprised to see Steyer over Pete and Klob here

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I live in Las Vegas. It would be extremely easy for a Nevadan to think Tom Steyer is the ONLY person running for president this year. For weeks, there were literally no ads for any other candidate except Tom Steyer. Billboards, TV ads, radio ads, internet banner ads. It's a goddamn plague.

Recently, there have been some Bloomberg ads as well, but it's still almost all Steyer. He's even been texting me recently, and I don't get texts from anyone. No idea how he got my number.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

So far this Primary season younger turn out has been higher.

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This is what I hoped to see.

 

[Kyra]

Oooo Nevada set to torpedo Bloomberger? *the one gif with the muppet bird*

 

[Finale Fireworker]

Oooo Nevada set to torpedo Bloomberger? *the one gif with the muppet bird*

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In what way? 🤔

 

[HipsterMorty]

NV polls/NV in general is very messy and anything can happen but this is surprising.



From the poll posted today, 68% are over 45.

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Damn! Sanders winning with the 45+ crowd? Very good for him if that's accurate.

 

[Kyra]

In what way? 🤔

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If Bloomberg really is below 10%, it may not stop his ads but I think the part of the conversation where people talk about if he can win or not wont go in his favor similarly to how its gone for Biden. At one point or another Bloomberg will have to be offiicially a part of the race and therefore will be subject to the same tests.

 

[Steel]

If Bloomberg really is below 10%, it may not stop his ads but I think the part of the conversation where people talk about if he can win or not wont go in his favor similarly to how its gone for Biden. At one point or another Bloomberg will have to be offiicially a part of the race and therefore will be subject to the same tests.

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Bloomberg isn't running in Nevada.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

If Bloomberg really is below 10%, it may not stop his ads but I think the part of the conversation where people talk about if he can win or not wont go in his favor similarly to how its gone for Biden. At one point or another Bloomberg will have to be offiicially a part of the race and therefore will be subject to the same tests.

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Bloomberg isn't on any ballots until South Carolina, where currently he's at like 4% (thankfully).

Nevada is certified Bloomberg-Free™.

Edit: Apparently he's not on SC either, nevermind.

 

[jviggy43]

The thing with a contested conventions is that it requires all candidates to get concessions. Bernie might not have a choice. And if there's anything I trust about Bloomberg, it's his vanity. He'd at minimum want VP out of it. I wouldn't put it past him to threaten to go third party otherwise.

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Bernie would never concede to winning if it meant a Bloomberg VP. And if theyre going to deny him the nom if he has a plurality over a bloomberg VP theyre going to lose the election no matter who they pick. If it gets to the convention and Bernie is out front of the pack they essentially have to play ball or concede the race. Thats my concern about the convention. Because I'm not sure I want the answer to what they would do there.

 

[theprodigy]

Bloomberg isn't on any ballots until South Carolina, where currently he's at like 4% (thankfully).

Nevada is certified Bloomberg-Free™.

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He's not in SC either.

 

[Steel]

Bernie would never concede to winning if it meant a Bloomberg presidency. And if theyre going to deny him the nom if he has a plurality over a bloomberg VP theyre going to lose the election no matter who they pick. If it gets to the convention and Bernie is out front of the pack they essentially have to play ball or concede the race. Thats my concern about the convention. Because I'm not sure I want the answer to what they would do there.

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I think Bernie would end up taking Bloomer as VP. If Bloomberg actually did run third party it would guarantee Trump wins.

 

[gutter_trash]

Oooo Nevada set to torpedo Bloomberger? *the one gif with the muppet bird*

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he is not on the ballot in Nevada

 

[Deleted member 58401]

While LBJ and Richard Daley did angle for Humphrey to take the convention, which did result in riots, Humphrey was the candidate with the plurality of delegates at the time, so it's not a 1:1 comparison here. Also Kennedy was assassinated during the primary so that created a mess with the delegates he had been allotted. Knowing this, why would the Democratic party not pick Sanders if he had a plurality of delegates? They know this would blow up the party.

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Okay, so my memory of whatever I'd heard about that event was pretty much backwards. Hahaha. Carry on.

 

[Finale Fireworker]

He's not in SC either.

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Oh, huh.

That's what I originally thought but then I saw polls with him in it. Why are they polling him if he's not on the ballot?

Oh well, thanks for the correction!

 

[jviggy43]

I think Bernie would end up taking Bloomer as VP. If Bloomberg actually did run third party it would guarantee Trump wins.

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I don't see it and obviously hope he would never accept that.

 

[Steel]

I don't see it and obviously hope he would never accept that.

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If the choice is between Bloomer in a useless spot and guaranteeing Trump re-election, I think the choice is pretty clear.

That being said I reeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllyyyyyyy hope it doesn't get to that (contested convention with Bloomer in second). Hoping he gets eaten alive in debates.

 

[Pasha]

Sanders Calls for End of Online Attacks, Calls Harassment 'Unacceptable'

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders called for his supporters to end their harassment of the Nevada Culinary Workers Union after the union warned its members against Sanders' Medicare for All plan. "We can certainly disagree on issues," Sanders said, "but we must do it in a respectful manner."

www.newsweek.com

'"Harassment of all forms is unacceptable to me, and we urge supporters of all campaigns not to engage in bullying or ugly personal attacks," Sanders said in a statement.

"Anybody making personal attacks against anybody else in my name is not part of our movement," Sanders said. "We don't want them. And I'm not so sure, to be honest with you, that they are necessarily part of our movement."'

There, he's said it for the 500th time. Does that please you all yet?

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Lol nothing Bernie can ever say will stop the daily rehash or the 'Bernie Bros'(formally known as 'Obama Boys') narrative.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

NV polls/NV in general is very messy and anything can happen but this is surprising.



From the poll posted today, 68% are over 45.

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Awesome. Those are the numbers Biden needs to keep Bloomberg out. Really good for Bernie.

 

[madstarr12]

Nevada is horrible to poll. Lol, I've been wanting to see more Nevada polls....but I also don't because of how notoriously bad they are.

 

[Ortix]

Oh, huh.

That's what I originally thought but then I saw polls with him in it. Why are they polling him if he's not on the ballot?

Oh well, thanks for the correction!

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If it's similar to polls from NH, they're not. It's just that poll respondents offered his name themselves, without it being listed.

 

[AzorAhai]

Nevada Poll is in

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This shit seems indeed unpredictable. 2nd alignments will be a great test for Bernie. Best case scenario is Bernie + 2 moderates viable.

 

[John Dunbar]

i don't think sanders being ancient as fuck is a reason not to vote for him, but it is a reason for him to pick a vp that is at least somewhat aligned with his views.

 

[Exellus]

I'm honestly curious how all the pundits will start treating Bernie once he's the nominee.

Like, will all these haters, rivals, and antagonists suddenly about face and treat Bernie like the next President? Or will they continue to throw him shade and start rooting for Trump?

 

[BowieZ]

Lol nothing Bernie can ever say will stop the daily rehash or the 'Bernie Bros'(formally known as 'Obama Boys') narrative.

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But now he and his less vitriolic supporters can finally turn around and say "yeah but that's on them, Bernie has disavowed that".

That's enough imho.

 

[bye]

the following debate is on March 15 in my city (Phx)

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...atic-presidential-debate-march-15/4724866002/

 

[RailWays]

I'm honestly curious how all the pundits will start treating Bernie once he's the nominee.

Like, will all these haters, rivals, and antagonists suddenly about face and treat Bernie like the next President? Or will they continue to throw him shade and start rooting for Trump?

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Considering the self-serving nature of for-profit media, they would side with whoever is safer for their bottom-line.

 

[Sign My Guestbook!]

I'm honestly curious how all the pundits will start treating Bernie once he's the nominee.

Like, will all these haters, rivals, and antagonists suddenly about face and treat Bernie like the next President? Or will they continue to throw him shade and start rooting for Trump?

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The way it's going, with a decent number of people unmasking, they'll still fight the Dem nominee if it's Sanders.

Trump, like it or not, uses the mechanisms of the system to support the system. Perhaps he makes it look ugly, but deep down, it is.

 

[Servbot24]

I would be fine with Sanders / Klob tbh. She's not perfect but she has some good views. I'd prefer Warren and AOC remain in Senate/Congress

 

[RailWays]

I would be fine with Sanders / Klob tbh. She's not perfect but she has some good views.

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In terms of a "unity" ticket, we could do worse.
I'll keep rooting for Bernie/Warren, however unlikely it is.

 

[Deleted member 16657]

I would be fine with Sanders / Klob tbh. She's not perfect but she has some good views.

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If Bernie has the lock before the convention I'd say he should go for the most progressive VP he can in a Warren or Baldwin in the unfortunate but possible scenario he dies during his term.

If Bernie does not have 1990 delegates, he should probably pick a moderate like Klobuchar to woo delegates.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Media gets most angry whenever trump goes after the media as it is. When it is just bigoted domestic policy they just say TRUMP BAD. When it comes time to talk about economic domestic policy, it's all hands on deck. Watch commercials on networks and see who they don't want to anger.

 

[Mekanos]

I'm fairly certain Sanders knows how to handle people calling him "Socialist!" without issue. He's had practice lol.

EDIT: lol just noticed what channel this was on

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[PMS341]

I would be fine with Sanders / Klob tbh. She's not perfect but she has some good views.

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I don't think it'll happen. Klob just recently said we should build a "big tent" for anti-abortion Dems, whereas Bernie is very set on Dems being pro-choice, even as recent as a few days ago. She also voted to confirm multiple Trump judges, so it might be tough to set those differences aside.

 

[Exellus]

Also:

My slightly crazy, slightly serious concern:

Assassination attempts on a hypothetical President Sanders. Even at inauguration.

Yes, I am that paranoid.

 

[YamchasRevenge]

So the media is basically pulling out the old 'Bernie Bro' card to try and bring Bernie down.

"bUt hE's NoT A rEaL DeMoCrAt" - random beltway Bloomberg endorser

 

[Pasha]

I'm honestly curious how all the pundits will start treating Bernie once he's the nominee.

Like, will all these haters, rivals, and antagonists suddenly about face and treat Bernie like the next President? Or will they continue to throw him shade and start rooting for Trump?

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There's a good chance that they will bend the knee. They have to worry about access all the time, so the anti-Bernie rhetoric will at least soften.
On the other hand, Bernie is going to be taxing them more so maybe having a Fascist in office for 4 more years might be their preferred alternative.

 

[PMS341]

So the media is basically pulling out the old 'Bernie Bro' card to try and bring Bernie down.

"bUt hE's NoT A rEaL DeMoCrAt" - random beltway Bloomberg endorser

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Those damn Obama Boys at it again!

 

[Deleted member 16657]

I'm honestly curious how all the pundits will start treating Bernie once he's the nominee.

Like, will all these haters, rivals, and antagonists suddenly about face and treat Bernie like the next President? Or will they continue to throw him shade and start rooting for Trump?

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Fox has been running "Bernie getting shafted by DNC???" for a while and so has Trump, its their way to divide the Democrats. If Bernie wins then they switch to "SOCIALISM" mode.

Chris Matthews might actually retire though lmao

 

[Violet]

Also:

My slightly crazy, slightly serious concern:

Assassination attempts on a hypothetical President Sanders. Even at inauguration.

Yes, I am that paranoid.

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I've lived in the DC area for long enough to remember how every day there seemed to be another CREDIBLE THREAT ON OBAMA'S LIFE FROM THE KKK but none of it amounted to anything. There is just too much goddamn security here, especially around inauguration.

 

[Deleted member 46493]

Everything old is new again:

Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!

Young women are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.

www.salon.com

 

[YamchasRevenge]

New Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows Sanders's strength going head-to-head with rivals

Bernie 48-Biden 44
Bernie 44-Warren 42
Bernie 53-Bloomberg 38
Bernie 54-Pete 37
Bernie 54-Klob 33