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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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You couldn't write this shit, the socialist independent vs. the billionaire Republican for the soul of the Democrat party.
NV caucuses have a small but potentially significant difference from IA:
In IA, supporters of two nonviable candidates during the first round could solicit support and make those candidates viable in the second round. This isn't possible in NV; only candidates that are viable after the first round survive.
Could make a difference on the margins.
In IA, supporters of two nonviable candidates during the first round could solicit support and make those candidates viable in the second round. This isn't possible in NV; only candidates that are viable after the first round survive.
Could make a difference on the margins.
I was testing all of you!
Seriously though whats his plan again? Hope for brokered convention? yuck.
That is really his only viable track, which I don't see working as Biden is still projected to have more delegates than him currently.
Bloomberg remains untested until Super Tuesday. It could be a Biden redux scenario where he massively under-performs relative to his media hype.
Centrist establishment-representing media has some really ostentatious passive aggressiveness about it.
They actually changed the IA process this year, it's a lot more similar to NV where candidates can only move forward if they're viable after the first alignment
It bears repeating that the rich funded literal Hitler because he promised them he wouldn't touch their money.
Money chooses fascism every time.
gotcha, I remember some campaigns making an issue of that in past caucuses!
I remember hearing on NPR that Bloomberg apparently said he would spend huge amounts of money helping whoever the eventual Democratic nominee is win if he loses the nomination, so if that's the case I doubt he would run third party. I don't know what the actual source of him saying that is though
He did say that, but I think that's an assumption that he won't get second. In the case he does, I'd expect his tune to change.
bloomberg is not really campaigning against any of his opponents at the moment and is just running anti-trump ads
Everything old is new again:
Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!
Young women are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.www.salon.com
Shit, I guess better things really aren't possible
And they never got better. The End. [*closes bedtime story*]
To be fair they were right lol. Granted, Sotomayo in the SC and legalizing gay marriage were great, but Obama did not turn out to be the progressive he campaigned as.
Not true, the non-viable candidate in Iowa were able to form groups in the second round. What actually changed if that your group was viable in the first round, you cannot change to another group in the second round.
He already threatened to run third-party at this time in 2016 when Bernie was looking strong against Hillary. I don't trust a word Bloomberg says.
The extent to which I'm OK with Bloomberg is shitting on Trump and throwing money at Dem candidates around the country. As a nominee or in any position of authority he can fuck right off. Hopefully he gets destroyed in a debate on his record then again on Super Tuesday on the ballots.
Polls looking good for Bernie in NV. I really hope Bernie's able to direct his fans effectively to turn out the vote and not just shit on anyone not Bernie though.
Polls looking good for Bernie in NV. I really hope Bernie's able to direct his fans effectively to turn out the vote and not just shit on anyone not Bernie though.
Not entirely right, what changed in Iowa was that if you were in a viable group in the first alignment, you couldn't move in the final alignment any more.
Obama had I think ~180 days of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. His blunder was discussing anything with Republicans and not shoving through the entire Democratic agenda in that short span of time. Although I think there were some Democratic senators that weren't really interested in the Democratic agenda? It's kinda hard to fault a guy's domestic agenda when he's limited to mostly executive orders for 6 out of his 8 years.
Knowing what we know now or what we're asking Bernie to do, it's possible he may have pushed on the Democrats to nuke the filibuster. That's going to be a minimum requirement for any hypothetical Sanders presidency to enact any kind of actual change. The next minimum requirement will be figuring out if he actually has a Congressional consensus to get anything done or if he'd get sunk by moderate Dems.
Will THIS stop the endless Bloomsday prophecies in this thread? Bernie thrashes him one on one...
Yeah I remember him having to work hard and compromise to hell and back to get the necessary votes for the ACA. A good chunk of that supermajority was not particularly progressive and/or from red areas where they'd have a tough reelection
Another interesting quote from that article:
Bernie has zero chances of beating Trump, y'all know it...
I would myself predict Bernie and Pete would be closer at this point.
Socialism doesnt poll well but sanders does. Which is why he polls well against Trump. And you knew that already.
So all the other polling is invalidated by this and there is ZERO chance, got it.
I don't know it.
I also don't know what these respondents consider socialism. I think everyone is against USSR style socialism I don't think near as much fear European socialism. Considering even the US is socialist in some aspects there's obviously a range of socialism that people find acceptable.
it's sort of weird how you fail to note that 'all americans' includes avowed republicans, but also ignore that if 47% of americans have an unfavourable view on socialism, then... 53% of americans are at worst indifferent to the term? damn that looks awful for bernie, you're right
Damn guess im voting for pete now that some random comment on resetera has opened my eyes to these unsource claims.
#homosforpete
All that says is people dont know what socialism is but like what socialism is divorced from labels. Its as simple as explaining what it is or running on the platform itself.
Something sanders already does. And something corp dems lose at because they are not for average people and run away from their base at every chance they get
Any of the Democrat candidates should beat Trump if the voters show up. Are you a Trump voter?
There were racists who voted for Obama and misogynists who voted for Clinton. There are plenty of people who may dislike 'socialism' in the abstract, but like Bernie himself.
If that many people think he's a socialist, that many people have a negative view of socialism and yet he consistently beats Trump in H2H polls, including frequently breaking 50%...it kind of tells you something.
"AIPAC is helping to fund a Super PAC launching attack ads against Sen. Bernie Sanders in Nevada on Saturday, according to two sources with knowledge of the arrangement."
AIPAC attacking the Jewish frontrunner is quite the bold strategy.
AIPAC attacking the Jewish frontrunner is quite the bold strategy.
Polls about how people feel about some sort of disembodied "socialism" aren't always super useful. "Socialism" isn't gonna be on the ballot, "Bernie Sanders, the old dude you like because he's honest and trustworthy, and he wants to guarantee healthcare and recognizes that we're being screwed by billionaires" is.
It's not like every single political question is static and forever unchanging, and is always completely unconnected from material conditions or the candidates that advocate for them!
It's like when Donald Trump magically got Republicans to agree with him that "free trade" is actually a bad thing, even though common political wisdom was that free trade was an unquestionable good, especially for conservatives. Of course, policy wise it doesn't mean much, and it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a sincere ideological change, but for the purposes of getting votes, it's not like Republican voters suddenly abandoned Trump because of his trade views.
The ideology of most Americans is scattered and often contradictory, and often influenced by media narratives, rather than any sort of sincere ideological struggle. Socialism is a "problem" for Bernie in the sense that media is never going to explain what it actually means, and try to play to people's fears, sure, but it's not like Bernie is just going to sit in a corner cowering and never explaining himself or playing offense. Him owning up to it, and explaining it and turning it back on and identifying the so-called "capitalists" who have been screwing you over for years, will go a long way. Even conservatives are often like "shit, I don't like the guy, but at least he's honest, fuck man, maybe he's got a point".
It's not like every single political question is static and forever unchanging, and is always completely unconnected from material conditions or the candidates that advocate for them!
It's like when Donald Trump magically got Republicans to agree with him that "free trade" is actually a bad thing, even though common political wisdom was that free trade was an unquestionable good, especially for conservatives. Of course, policy wise it doesn't mean much, and it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a sincere ideological change, but for the purposes of getting votes, it's not like Republican voters suddenly abandoned Trump because of his trade views.
The ideology of most Americans is scattered and often contradictory, and often influenced by media narratives, rather than any sort of sincere ideological struggle. Socialism is a "problem" for Bernie in the sense that media is never going to explain what it actually means, and try to play to people's fears, sure, but it's not like Bernie is just going to sit in a corner cowering and never explaining himself or playing offense. Him owning up to it, and explaining it and turning it back on and identifying the so-called "capitalists" who have been screwing you over for years, will go a long way. Even conservatives are often like "shit, I don't like the guy, but at least he's honest, fuck man, maybe he's got a point".
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