I live in VT and have voted for Sanders more times than anyone in here I would reckon. I like Bernie.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Pointing to a few toxic people as a way to undermine progressive movements is nothing new. If someone is going overboard, call them out, but don't fall for the trap of letting certain people attach toxicity to the movement as a way to undermine it. Especially not when the movement itself is about human rights and equality.
People shouldn't fall for the trap of thinking this is going to stop with Bernie.
People shouldn't fall for the trap of thinking this is going to stop with Bernie.
you make it sound like she committed a crime. yeah some leftists are going to vote for the green party. it's the way it is
No, I'm afraid of irrational actors/personality cultists being seized by a total shithead who uses Bernie Sanders(his image not the man himself) to control them and then do terrible shit.
Again, we should be picking Sanders for his policy. Not because he hurts those we don't like.
I don't want him anywhere near the democratic party unless it's purely ad money to spite Trump.
So fuck Bloombito.
2008: 161,797
2012: 469,627
2016: 1,457,218
It went from some to more people than the populations of VT and WY combined.
Sanders promised to run until the convention. That's what he did. Since he's engaging in movement politics it made good sense for him to do so.
And Hillary only lost by 70,000 votes in three states.
Still her fault she lost but hard not to argue propping up Stein was a mistake.
are there any political trends that could have led to this other than tweets?
David Sirota is most definitely not a black woman. The issue extends beyond those two.
dems probably shouldn't have nominated someone so historically hated. it's not Brie's fault
And you blame this on one single black woman with a small following on Twitter at the time?
Oh, so Sanders gets a pass on that but no one else does? I mean, Warren is in a position that she should drop out soon, but not fond of the rationalizing.
Third party voting was much more prominent in 2016 for sure. But it wasn't just Twitter bots—it was propped up by a coordinated social media campaign from both within and outside of the country. Anyone advocating for third party votes is being dense.
Anything is seen as toxic when a black woman does it. Look at how people are flipping out over nina turner calling Bloomberg an oligarch lol.
Have that many people asked her to drop out? If anything she seems to be helping sanders quite a bit by staying in.
I'm just venting frustration at people who try to delegitimize movements by complaining that the people who are most affected aren't being "civil" enough. I lived in St. Louis at the start of BLM and the way people there twisted the situation to make the activists the "real" aggressors made me sick.
I've listened to 1 and 1/8th episodes of Chapo Trap House. The It's a Wonderful Life parody episode was pretty funny.
That's absurd. She contributed to a movement/idea that was reckless and damaging to the political process. Sanders saw that and was completely fine with it.
I personally like being lectured on the use of snake emojis while also having that same person call me a name from a podcast i have never listened to, so i at least feel slightly part of the conversation lol.
So you're saying that HRC supporters telling Bernie to drop out didn't affect relations between the two groups?
That seems like it is counter to human behavior. Common sense would say that insulting a thing that a person likes will make them more defensive about that thing, and more hostile to the people saying it.
You think playing into a disinformation campaign that was propping up third party candidates to cost the Democratic Candidate was a good idea?
for people who care about progressive policies, it makes zero sense to support 2 progressive candidates when 1 is obviously not viable. Bernie "got a pass" because he wanted to change the dem platform to be more progressive, and largely succeeded btw.
Oh yeah, protests are almost always Nana Ruthed. Especially by Faux News.
I literally asked for evidence for a stated claim, the evidence was provided, and it didn't actually back the claim being made. That was after I did my own research and found nothing about the subject in question.
The Joy tweet was not doxxing, as she explained after the fact, she was talking about the character of the account in question, not literally calling for people to expose personal information. It was poorly worded, I agree with that, and a mistake, but not doxxing. It's also clear that Seder wasn't attempting to dox anyone, and didn't post exposing information, from what I can see.Here's some of the doxxing paper trail :)
Bernie Sanders's Supporters Doxed a Critic on Twitter
[Original title edited by Admin] Unhappy that the tweet above was shown on MSNBC when they covered the #MyBernieStory hashtag campaign, Sanders campaign employees and several notable supporters are encouraging the doxing of that detractor. Here is Sam...www.dailykos.com
Btw, all of this came about because you asked what he could do. When you have top level staffers doxxing, rushing to defend Tulsi Gabbard, keeping Trump supporters on your staff, my thought was that perhaps a culture change at that level might make some of the types of supporters that Warren was talking about less emboldened.
I agree with Warren. You don't need to, no one here needs to but I do.
As I said I'm happy to follow with more links tomorrow but it's not some wacky out of the blue or at all new or undiscussed notion that Sanders has some extremely problematic hires (and my hypothesis is that might have had an effect on the culture of some of his more... enthusiastic supporters.)
And also, I'm not saying Sanders has never made a bad hire (all campaigns let people go for various reasons), but how are current hires engaging in toxic behavior?
I'm definitely failing to see how any of this ties back into the original point you made, that Warren was correct in calling Bernie out for not doing enough about online toxicity. Again, if you agree with this you should be able to explain what can be done about it, and I don't understand what more Bernie can do in this context.
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I'm saying you have to show me that her decision alone lead to others doing the same. Furthermore it's crazy you think this of all things that went down in 2016 is what cost democrats the election and not shit like voter suppression and Hillary's campaign strategy.
Anyway, I refuse to get tricked in to rehashing 2016. All I'll say is y'all not slick when y'all try to blame a woman on the internet for the collapse of a presidential campaign. Fuck out my face with that
No but people make mistakes. It would be insane to allow a bad vote someone made once in a GE to disqualify them from public political life.
I dunno, is there any point in not sticking it out until ST when it's literally three days after SC?
Months ago i would have said yes. But the direction shes gone in since dropping hasn't been encouraging.
A black woman. With very little twitter followers at the time. In a blue af state.
They really tried it.
Ah I miss Gordon. Nana Ruth was a saint. A saint!
Weirdly, I still remember that her last name was Rabinowitz, lol
My issue wasn't that she voted that way. My issue is that she was advocating for others to do that as well.
Yeah I followed the story at the time & recently reviewed. I don't buy her backtracking or spin on what she did. We're obviously not going to agree on this.
Also you asked what could be done. I thought losing toxic hires such as Weaver, Turner, Sirota and Gray might be one solution.
The Bernie rally in Tacoma, WA tonight was an absolute banger! 17k people showed up, and a magat was running around throwing up the white power sign and got kicked out by the cops, Bernie just ignored him lol. Feeling pretty good after this.
I mean, there are those of us simply saying telling people to vote 3rd party was bad and you shouldn't do that.
Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. She was still better than what we got.
FYI those are Obama 2008 numbers territory.The Bernie rally in Tacoma, WA tonight was an absolute banger! 17k people showed up, and a magat was running around throwing up the white power sign and got kicked out by the cops, Bernie just ignored him lol. Feeling pretty good after this.
I'm hopeful maybe we are sparking something.
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