Demon's Souls - Theme of Flamelurker : which version do you prefer, PS3 or PS5 ?
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The remake. The PS3 version sounds like an intro before the main part of the music, which never arrives kicks in.
I love both of these. The original has a lot of character with its somberness. As someone mentioned earlier, it sounds like a funeral march, and this is a unique and interesting idea for a boss fight. This was always one of my favorites on the original's soundtrack.
A lot of what makes the original unique is lost in the remake rendition, but there is no denying to me that the composition and instrumentation is just leagues ahead. And the melodic themes of the original piece still come through, though in a new more dramatic context. So I can't make a vote lol. I love both. I'm looking forward to this remake so much
A lot of what makes the original unique is lost in the remake rendition, but there is no denying to me that the composition and instrumentation is just leagues ahead. And the melodic themes of the original piece still come through, though in a new more dramatic context. So I can't make a vote lol. I love both. I'm looking forward to this remake so much
Hail the nightmare singlehandedly impeded my progress because:
- BB never featured music outside boss encounter (I can't remember it being a thing in SoulsBorne since DeS) and so I was very apprehensive
- The music itself scared me shitless
Thankfully DeS had none of this creepy music.
The Astraea track in the original is literally 30 seconds on repeat. It's a good song, but it needs something more.
Lol This. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing
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I believe parts of DeS has real instruments. However, I've always felt that the sound quality was lacking even when I first played it. So yes, I think ds3's vst libraries sound better to me. Still, a live orchestra for ER would be ideal
Maybe it works better in the game (I’ve never played Demons’ souls), but now that I think of it, I haven’t really liked any of the original DeS soundtracks (that I’ve heard).
The new music will probably be better, but I am personally disappointed that I won’t get to experience the original music and the atmosphere it creates (unless I play the original game on an emulator someday, cause I don’t think Sony will add BC for ps3).
The new music will probably be better, but I am personally disappointed that I won’t get to experience the original music and the atmosphere it creates (unless I play the original game on an emulator someday, cause I don’t think Sony will add BC for ps3).
lots of people in this thread spoiling the name of a boss fight which is one of the biggest twists of the plot of the game lol
Nostalgia plays a big party for many people here.
Ps5 is by far a better version but I understand some votes going for the old one.
Ps5 is by far a better version but I understand some votes going for the old one.
I dislike the art/music direction of this remake.
Its kinda everything got BIGGER and more GENERIC, the flamelurker music is a exemple of that.
Another good exemple is the Scale Miners, in the original they are skinny and had a weird beer belly, now they are just buffed dudes.
Its kinda everything got BIGGER and more GENERIC, the flamelurker music is a exemple of that.
Another good exemple is the Scale Miners, in the original they are skinny and had a weird beer belly, now they are just buffed dudes.
I fear that the remastered soundtrack is just trying to make every song sound epic or overly pompous. I feel like the original OST was trying to be eerie and almost primitive, something that is lost in the remastered version. Many of the songs in the original game evoked a sense of being in a demonic nightmare, which is apt because the entire world is horrific. I'll be disappointed if I hear a blaring orchestra and choir in the Adjudicator theme.
...I love Demon's Souls... But I think some people are really have rose tinted glasses.
This:
Isn't any more generic or original than the new design.
And then ike the Flamelurker's original arena:
It's just really generic ruins. That were generic even for it's time. It doesn't really invoke any specific feeling.
While not the bastion of personality itself, it still has a lot more striking visuals and design than the original. This one actually feels threatening and really sells the fire design.
Or that fact that Boletaria's castle original design was just very blocky too.
It's true that the original Flamelurker arena just looks like generic abandoned ruins with fire... which suits well enough with "a fire demon sealed in an underground temple since ancient times", in my opinion. The new arena looks like a Doom Eternal arena. A very cool looking one, to be fair, it would definitely be a distinctive arena in that game (I'm currently playing the DLC), but to me it's very obviously a completely different tone, which naturally makes its quality subjective, instead of an objective improvement....I love Demon's Souls... But I think some people are really have rose tinted glasses.
This:
Isn't any more generic or original than the new design.
And then ike the Flamelurker's original arena:
It's just really generic ruins. That were generic even for it's time. It doesn't really invoke any specific feeling.
While not the bastion of personality itself, it still has a lot more striking visuals and design than the original. This one actually feels threatening and really sells the fire design.
Or that fact that Boletaria's castle original design was just very blocky too.
For my money, being "a very cool looking Doom Eternal arena" is exactly why I'm not a fan. Similar to the soundtrack, which has me agreeing with posts mentioning that the new one sounds much more epic, and I completely agree, I just disagree with their conclusion that for that reason it's better. For my personal tastes, for that reason it's worse.
And one man's "very blocky Boletaria" is another man's "utilitarian, Norman architecture", as opposed to the more "Gothic, cooler-colored" Boletaria of the remake.
It honestly baffles me how many people don't seem capable of understanding why others would prefer the original, and keep attributing different preferences to some external factor that would just make us wrong, instead of people with different tastes.
I don't see too many accusations of "you guys are just blinded by the shiny graphics/new console" or whatever from people who prefer the original, it really seems to be entirely from your side of the fence this ever growing group of people who define their thoughts on those who disagree being wrong, instead of the subject matter itself. Just enter any Demon's Souls remake thread and Ctrl+F "Nostalgia is one hell of a drug", you'll surely find at least one post in each thread.
This is obviously not directly aimed at you, it's a prevalent line of thought throughout this thread and pretty much the entirety of this game's (and previously Shadow of the Colossus Remake's) life on this forum, and it's incredibly offputting. A bunch of people criticizing one of From's own games in comparison to the others is perfectly fine (as it should be), but God forbid some people think a different company's take on one of their games is worse.
First time hearing both. Remake by a landslide. Maybe it's different if you experience it in game, but damn is the original lacking. Makes sense considering the budget of the original and the lack of orchestra/choir/organ that the remake has access to.
And yeah, a lot the responses sound rose tinted as fuck. It sounds like a lot of people just wanted a remaster or an up-res of Demons Souls and not an actual remake. Just go emulate it at that point.
And yeah, a lot the responses sound rose tinted as fuck. It sounds like a lot of people just wanted a remaster or an up-res of Demons Souls and not an actual remake. Just go emulate it at that point.
I disagree with this actually. Even if those people aren't outright calling others for liking the new stuff cause it's "shiny" they very much project that people who like the new stuff have simpler and much easily placated tastes with an air of pretentiousness on top.
"THIS GAME IS RUINING THE ORIGINAL!"
"THIS GAME IS DISRESPECTFUL OF MIYAZAKI!"
"NO ONE SHOULD TOUCH FROM SOFTWARE'S GAMES!"
I also hate the topic of "Generic" and "Originality"
Fuck Originality. It's overrated. People often equate it to quality when that can't be further from the truth.
By some people's arguments, this should be considered the best track in Resident Evil.
It's so original.
They're just as bad as those they're decrying.
I'll still take "this product is ruining another product", "this product is disrespectful of dev-not-involved-in-discussion" and "no one should touch company's games" over "you guys in this thread are morons who can't see past your nostalgia". There's a very clear difference to me.
I don't disagree that original and generic aren't necessarily connected to quality, and even addressed it myself by saying that I agree that the original Flamelurker arena is generic, and still prefer it.
This really captures the difference. It can't be understated how contrasts like this--the slow, contemplative PS3 theme vs a flaming demon who will punch you to death--can make these experiences so much more memorable. From does a great job of creating memorable experiences by subverting expectations. Music, how it was used, and where it was used, was a big part of this toolkit.
I would be surprised if anyone who has not played the original Demon's Souls preferred the original song. The music only takes on its true character when heard in context.
Don't sound, the music don't have same feeling. These 3 or 4 new compositions that they showcased is not close to Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3, it's close to Diablo III.
Other than: "Feelings" can you actually state why it's closer to Diablo 3? I've seen enough gut reactions in other places saying it sounds similar to Bloodborne music.
People will like the new OST much more. The new compositions were created to be liked, they are a pleasure to listen. The mood is not bad.
And that is the problem with it. From Sofware creates music to disturb the player, make him feel uncomfortable and bring bad feelings. In DeS you get immersed in a lake of leachate and epicness don't blend well with this atmosphere.
The game is about religious and humanity decaying. I don't feel that epicness match this mood.
And that is the problem with it. From Sofware creates music to disturb the player, make him feel uncomfortable and bring bad feelings. In DeS you get immersed in a lake of leachate and epicness don't blend well with this atmosphere.
The game is about religious and humanity decaying. I don't feel that epicness match this mood.
Epic x Unsettling. Bloodborne is not pleasant to listen, this new compositions are.
What? Yes. Bloodborne's music is pleasant to listen to. You need to better explain. You say a lot without ever going into any specifics that would actually explain your point better.
I don't think no one called anyone a moron here, and hyperbolic posts aren't certainly better.
It's the same shit.
All music I listened from the remake are confortable and I don't get stressed or tired listening. Bloodborne sountrack is not confortable to listen, it's stressing and the visual artstyle are unsettling as well.
This Remake looks iluminated, cartoony and sound epic, I don't feel the same mood in any sense.
I highly diasgree. I think BB's OST is very pleasant to listen to.
I can't disagree more. I love listening to Bloodborne. There is few tracks I'd say that unsettle me. Some songs are straight up epic boss fight music that hype you up.
These poll results are grim haha. The original soundtrack is so much more unique and interesting, the remake sounds like it could be from a huge number of other games and it evokes no emotional response in me other than "cool boss." The original Demon's Souls did a fantastic job at creating a unique mood that felt fresh when I played it back in 2009, the aesthetic changes in this remake feel like they're pushing it towards having far more generic presentation.
The instrumentation of the original is worse, but that's to be expected, it's a PS3 game with no budget.
The actual composition has a much more unique character in the original and it's lost in the remake.
Also, really discouraged by how this forum reacts to criticism of the remake. The people actually making the game have even incorporated some of that criticism to make the game better (see the changes to Flamelurker's model since the original trailer).
The actual composition has a much more unique character in the original and it's lost in the remake.
Also, really discouraged by how this forum reacts to criticism of the remake. The people actually making the game have even incorporated some of that criticism to make the game better (see the changes to Flamelurker's model since the original trailer).
This is a good point. Music is not just in a vacuum, it's listened to while playing the game.
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I don't mind, everyone could think for themselves and like or dislike anything.
I really doubt that Ludwig the Holy Blade or Cleric Beast Themes are playlisted by people, but in the internet everything is true.
I don't know how to express well it in english, but looks like they are "making it more available to consume". I don't even know if the word acessibilization makes sense or even is used by in english speakers.
But they making the game more palatable and easier to digest for the masses, with sell through purposes. The bizarre/grotesque, somber and melancholic gave place to epic, heroic and hope.
I will review it soon and probably have a better perspective. Now it's something I think: "This is amazing technically, but don't make sense artistically".
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I think for this case the new theme is better for Flamelurker, it's a powerful demon that will tear through you.
I didn't like the Armour Spider's new theme however, the original gave it a bit of extra creepiness and it's the same of what we've heard of Maiden Astrea's theme. I expect some tunes will be better in the remake and some of the originals will be better.
Hopefully there's an option to select the classic soundtrack and vice versa in the game. Would be a nice feature to have. :)
I didn't like the Armour Spider's new theme however, the original gave it a bit of extra creepiness and it's the same of what we've heard of Maiden Astrea's theme. I expect some tunes will be better in the remake and some of the originals will be better.
Hopefully there's an option to select the classic soundtrack and vice versa in the game. Would be a nice feature to have. :)
PS5 and it's hilariously better.
The PS3 one almost sounds like a joke. Those horns are straight out of the Resident Evil basement.
The PS3 one almost sounds like a joke. Those horns are straight out of the Resident Evil basement.
PS5 by far. I don't think its a diss towards From Software either. I feel like anyone preferring the remake is taking it as offense towards what From has done.
A hallmark of the original for me was the distinctive, mornful boss fight music in many spots. Of course it's entitely unsurprising the 'remake' would miss this nuance and opt for a very generic, standard video game orchestral boss fight theme.
Really devs need to give the unitelligible chanting choirs a rest now. I don't care who does it anymore; it's just so played out. They should take a leaf out of FF XIV's book and start using the full range of instrumental options available to them. I would appreciate this new track a lot more if it actually offered something sonically new instead of taking something square out of the standard video game OST text book.
Really devs need to give the unitelligible chanting choirs a rest now. I don't care who does it anymore; it's just so played out. They should take a leaf out of FF XIV's book and start using the full range of instrumental options available to them. I would appreciate this new track a lot more if it actually offered something sonically new instead of taking something square out of the standard video game OST text book.
I don't think people are 'stuck' on the mindset of it being a remaster, rather that the different tones, themes, etc. for some people lose a lot of what made the original so beloved. If you remake the game and you make it different and the end result is inferior for somebody to the original people aren't going to respond with a 'well done for trying to be different!' when you just made a worse version of the (now largely inaccessible) original; if people preferred the tone (which many do) then people would praise it accordingly.
This is very likely going to be the only way to play Demon's Souls on a modern gaming console (without having to plug back in a 14 year old console which has a decommissioned online), and the first introduction for most of the Souls player base to the original game, so it's hardly surprising that people want the remake to be done so faithfully, taking the same tone and themes but enhancing them with modern techniques (rather than just erasing it).
I haven't played the original Demon's Souls, so I don't feel nostalgic about it. The old theme is too slow and lacking, while the new one is way more epic. IMO the Remake is a lot better. Now it actually feels like a climatic battle against a demon!
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Sure the new track sounds more like a boss fight, but I dunno if that's necessarily an improvement. I mean, does this sound like a boss fight?
Not really, but it's arguably one of the best boss tracks of all time, incredibly unique and memorable. Imo the Souls games are at their best when doing things that are sort of "off-kilter", what you wouldn't expect.
Not really, but it's arguably one of the best boss tracks of all time, incredibly unique and memorable. Imo the Souls games are at their best when doing things that are sort of "off-kilter", what you wouldn't expect.
I think the updated version's style is actually much more strongly aligned with the boss fight tracks in later From games, so I'd say a reason why the latter is more preferred is because it's closer to what most people actually expect from boss tracks in the series rather than a preference for generic tracks.
The poorer sound quality of the original track probably also plays a role.