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60fps is 1440p.
The 30fps mode not sure if it's Dynamic or Native 4K.
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Demon's Souls won't support RayTracing
- Thread starter Raigor
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60fps is 1440p.
The 30fps mode not sure if it's Dynamic or Native 4K.
I sure don't hope that a launch game is pushing the hardware to its limit.
Maybe. But I remember DF adressing Ray Tracing in the released footage.
Edit:
Also...
I see that my post got misunderstood. I know that RT is about everything, but you can forget a game with full RT GI on PS5 and Series X, this is why I've talked about RT for better SSR and shadows, because it's how RT is going to be utilized on 99% of games.
Honestly? Not worth it, I'll rather get more refined aspects of the game like a full real time illumination system like Demon's Souls do or RDR2, which is still today one of the best, if not THE best, technical achievements in gaming, and it doesn't have an inch of RT.
That's surprising. I assumed that was the whole point of there being a 30 FPS mode. The upgrade from checkerboarded 4K to native 4K isn't worth halving the framerate at all.
Honestly the wording in the OP makes me wonder if OP misinterpreted the quote.
What's not realtime about a literal realtime implementation of one of the things that make offline renders look way better than video games?
Yeah, no shit lol.
I was talking about resources regarding vision, I didn't mean it artistically nor did I say that, perhaps a poor choice of words on my part.
It's going to on a case by case basis. I personally like a mixture of techniques being used where suitible like I believe Ratchet does to get the best visual quality to performance.
At this point in time I think consoles games can look better without RT. With a limited budget you're better off using your GPU power on traditional rasterization. RT requires a ton of GPU power that would be taken away from other areas. It's different from PC where you have a base that you can add on with all the extra power you have. I think a lot of games will be using RT though, just like they'll be targetting 4K.
Almost every game on consoles so far seems to be using it for reflections, which is logical as it can be one of the cheapest raytracing effects with some tweaking.
If memory serves me right, DF mentioned it being an announced feature and how will probably be included with the quality mode as they couldn't see it in the performance mode.
It's always a function of what a given team can do, within a given budget of time and money, and with techniques known at the time. Launch games can absolutely stress hardware, but results possible later for the same 'stress' often improve as techniques and experience increase. People figure out what the best bang for buck techniques are, new ones are found, results improve over the cycle. As alluded to here, with more time, 'more' would be possible.
I remember that DF mentioned that the game will support ray tracing only for shadows.
DF said the psblog mentions rt but they can't confirm it from the footage.
Demon Souls has a cinematic mode which is a native 4K at 30fps or performance mode which is dynamic 4K at 60 frames
https://www.polygon.com/interviews/2020/10/29/21539158/demons-souls-ps5-remake-changes-sixth-archstone-world-tendency
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Meeting the harsh launch deadline is more likely imo. I don't think a technical studio like Blue Point would be could with badly optimised tech like that.
You can blame marketing for that as that's one of the easiest ways to market RT as the next step forward compared to say...the many much more complicated aspects of RT. Like, this:
is much easier to understand for the average consumer than this:
Personally I blame BFV's marketing as it focused first and foremost on car and puddle reflections compared to Metro or Control's much smaller marketing campaigns that provided a much more informative picture of why and how RT is a huge step forward.
The 30fps mode is Native 4K.
The 60fps is Dynamic 4K.
We Heard this a while back and it was distressing to see all the people out there pointing out "Ray Traced Reflections" when it was not the case at all. Yes - there is No usage of hardware triangle ray tracing in DEMON Souls remastered.
As a reminder - just because you see a reflection in a puddle in a game, does not mean it is a Ray Traced one. To say you have a Ray Traced reflection, you need a much more complex shape and a far less local reflection. Otherwise it can just be a one off planar reflection, or particularly advantageous SSR, or a perfect Parallax cubemap for a cutscene.
As a reminder - just because you see a reflection in a puddle in a game, does not mean it is a Ray Traced one. To say you have a Ray Traced reflection, you need a much more complex shape and a far less local reflection. Otherwise it can just be a one off planar reflection, or particularly advantageous SSR, or a perfect Parallax cubemap for a cutscene.
I actually said nothing like that in my Videos on PS5 RT - we just quoted the psblog in an original Video saying evidence of it is Hard to point out iirc. After that we found out it does not use RT at all, so the psblog for some reason was misinformed.
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DF is wrong then?
Digital Foundry| Demon's Souls Remake: Gameplay Trailer Tech Breakdown + First Next-Gen Frame-Rate Analysis
The game was running in native 1440P, but Bluepoint's AA and motion blur makes everything so crispy that is hard to point this out even through pixel counting. It was very likely running on Performance mode, Graphics 4K mode expected to look good. No signs of raytraced shadows The game was...
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If Ray isn't tracing then Acqui isn't playing - simple as that.
You just lost yourself a sale Mr Moore.
You just lost yourself a sale Mr Moore.
They can perfectly have been tuning that since the recording of that demo, it's not that weird.DF is wrong then?
Digital Foundry| Demon's Souls Remake: Gameplay Trailer Tech Breakdown + First Next-Gen Frame-Rate Analysis
The game was running in native 1440P, but Bluepoint's AA and motion blur makes everything so crispy that is hard to point this out even through pixel counting. It was very likely running on Performance mode, Graphics 4K mode expected to look good. No signs of raytraced shadows The game was...
It wouldn't be a proper Souls release without some sort of lighting downgrade controversy, I expect all of you to go nuts once it comes out and you compare it to idk old screenshots or something.
Don't you disappoint me!
Don't you disappoint me!
We'll see when DF get to give it their proper analysis I guess, but in the last week all official talk has referred to 60fps mode as "Dynamic 4K"DF is wrong then?
Digital Foundry| Demon's Souls Remake: Gameplay Trailer Tech Breakdown + First Next-Gen Frame-Rate Analysis
The game was running in native 1440P, but Bluepoint's AA and motion blur makes everything so crispy that is hard to point this out even through pixel counting. It was very likely running on Performance mode, Graphics 4K mode expected to look good. No signs of raytraced shadows The game was...
I think the 60fps mode will be 1440p with temporal injection just like SotC, this makes the most sense with df's pixel counting.
Aren't there contradicting words from the tech director? It may not have reflections but it apparently supports ray tracing for lighting.
Not that it matters when you look at it. Still the best visuals at launch.
Not that it matters when you look at it. Still the best visuals at launch.
Apparently they changed it very recently according to Lance McDonaldDF is wrong then?
Digital Foundry| Demon's Souls Remake: Gameplay Trailer Tech Breakdown + First Next-Gen Frame-Rate Analysis
The game was running in native 1440P, but Bluepoint's AA and motion blur makes everything so crispy that is hard to point this out even through pixel counting. It was very likely running on Performance mode, Graphics 4K mode expected to look good. No signs of raytraced shadows The game was...
Because if you need to choose between a ray traced effect and 5 settings being tuned up as well as 3 other new graphical features being added (just throwing arbitrary numbers to explain that RT is a lot more expensive than most graphical features), I'd take all the other improvements.
I miss dynamic shadows from the light source of our character. For example, in the second trailer, at 0:47 (when he walks up to that crank) there are no shadows cast and the lighting looks pretty simple imo.
Mind you, this can be entirely different in the cinematic mode, and can also be (most probably is) an artistic choice, but I find these kind of things a bit disappointing in 2020. Especially considering the hardware.
All that aside the game does look and sound good, I just don't think it's that impressive from a graphical point of view.
Yeah I mean it's a valid argument that RT is too expensive for today's hardware without tech like DLSS.
But no mistake it's the way to true next gen graphics when you got the power to run it.
Now imagine a scenario where it's not a tradeoff. For all intents and purposes RT is the inevitable future of realtime rendering, especially when it comes to games taking noticeable leaps forward. Steps that will make a game like Demon's look dated eventually.
This is not the "Raytracing" console generation. It will be used sparingly and as a nice bonus here and there, possibly a bit more extensively in simpler, less complex titles. I expect the PS6 and the next Xbox to actually be where/when the rendering will switch to fully adopting it.