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StreamedHams

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Nov 21, 2017
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Love this stuff. Always fascinating to see what you can really do with some of this hardware. One demo that blew my mind recently was this one for PC.



All this done in a program about 64 kilobytes large. The screenshot included in the zip is larger than the entire program haha.

This is mind bending...
 

Shaneus

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Oct 27, 2017
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This one popped up recently in the Pico-8 scene. It's probably the most impressive technical program I've seen for the platform.



Here's a link to the program running in browser, the source code is there too: https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?pid=62464#p

What the fuck.

These will always be the most impressive to me. Not the ones that can squeeze the most out of small space on a modern computer, but go beyond what the hardware was ever designed for. That's why I'm so consistently impressed with TiTAN's output on the MD.



Does anyone remember the first demo they saw? The first one I can vividly recall that really introduced me to the scene was a small demo called Red by Razor 1911:


I know it's not groundbreaking by any stretch, but it was the first .exe that made it's way to the 486 my mum would bring home from work for school holidays. I would watch it endlessly.

PS. I think my favourite thing about certain demos is the choreography in them. When they can get the effects perfectly in time with the music, it's just... *chef's kiss*:


Panic by Future Crew
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
10,609
What the fuck.

These will always be the most impressive to me. Not the ones that can squeeze the most out of small space on a modern computer, but go beyond what the hardware was ever designed for. That's why I'm so consistently impressed with TiTAN's output on the MD.



Does anyone remember the first demo they saw? The first one I can vividly recall that really introduced me to the scene was a small demo called Red by Razor 1911:


I know it's not groundbreaking by any stretch, but it was the first .exe that made it's way to the 486 my mum would bring home from work for school holidays. I would watch it endlessly.

PS. I think my favourite thing about certain demos is the choreography in them. When they can get the effects perfectly in time with the music, it's just... *chef's kiss*:


Panic by Future Crew

Most people, you included, saw a cracktro before seeing a demo

You would really be the exception :p

My first « real » demo was Enigma on the Amiga and several The Lost Boys demos on the ST I forgot the name of.

What was interesting in the ST demos is that they were interactive, you flew a ship in a 3D tunnel and dropped on squares to activate the portion in one of them and in an another one you flew a golden griphon from door to door. I haven't really encountered those kind of demos on Amiga
 

Knurek

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Oct 26, 2017
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Does anyone remember the first demo they saw? The first one I can vividly recall that really introduced me to the scene was a small demo called Red by Razor 1911:


I know it's not groundbreaking by any stretch, but it was the first .exe that made it's way to the 486 my mum would bring home from work for school holidays. I would watch it endlessly.

Technological Death by Mad Elks

XTD at his best

Both tunes are ingrained in my mind
There are three actually, the hidden part has its own chiptune.
 
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Shaneus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most people, you included, saw a cracktro before seeing a demo

You would really be the exception :p

My first « real » demo was Enigma on the Amiga and several The Lost Boys demos on the ST I forgot the name of.
Red is a cracktro? Is the main difference stuff like greets, number of effects etc? I'd have thought cracktros were more a single effect or two (like a scroller) and a bunch of messages (with Red being a bit more than that). Like this:


Always happy to be learning terminologies etc. though :)
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Red is a cracktro? Is the main difference stuff like greets, number of effects etc? I'd have thought cracktros were more a single effect or two (like a scroller) and a bunch of messages (with Red being a bit more than that). Like this:


Always happy to be learning terminologies etc. though :)

Cracktros can be prety complex long and advanced

I said it because most people played a pirated game before launching their first real demo. It was also their first introduction to the scene and cracktros led to full fledged demos with each cracking group trying to one up one another during the C64 days.

Most cracking groups ended having official demoscene sections and still do to this day (Fairlight, Paradox, Replicants, Razor 1911 and so on)
 

Code Artisan

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
805
Exapunks has a console meant for doing this kind of thing with their funky animated-little-robots version of assembly:

https://youtu.be/nmdEHSe7Uxw


https://youtu.be/m7vhLmHnXMc


Edit: it's not really what you'd normally think of as a scene demo, but it is impressive considering the constraints. Now I'm wondering what kinds of graphical effects you could pull off on the thing.


This guy implemented Pokemon Red (Game Boy) using Minecraft's redstone circuits.

 

Shaneus

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Oct 27, 2017
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Most cracking groups ended having official demoscene sections and still do to this day (Fairlight, Paradox, Replicants, Razor 1911 and so on)
Fairlight definitely, they were probably the first group I ever came across! I kind of wondered how the demoscene people associated with cracking groups felt about being associated with piracy, but I guess it was a way to get their work out to the masses.
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fairlight definitely, they were probably the first group I ever came across! I kind of wondered how the demoscene people associated with cracking groups felt about being associated with piracy, but I guess it was a way to get their work out to the masses.
Cracking groups recruited programmers, musicians and artists to show off when they were the first to crack, train or fix a game. Ghose same crackers/coders/musicians/graphists ended p making demos and when the first compos started (to vote on who was best outside of the various trashtalk you would find in the various intros) in 1988 it became important for legendary groups to have an active presence there. The Swedish cracking scene was at the forefront of it.

Eventually some groups splintered (Virtual Dreams and Fairlight for instance, Tristar and Red Sector forming the demo group TRSI and so on) and we have today's scene which is honestly not that different from the one in the 90s
 

Crispy75

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Oct 25, 2017
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Participating in this thread has of course sent me down the rabbit hole of watching my the old 90s/00s favourites. There's one I can't find cos I forget the name. It's effectively a fully synched music video to this song:



Anyone remember the name?

EDIT: Of course I find it right after posting :D

http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=284
 

Shaneus

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Oct 27, 2017
8,908
Bad news everyone. Revision 2020 has been canceled due to Coronavirus concerns
Fuck, that's not good. Any chance it could be done as a remote thing? I don't know how much (other than socialising) is done at the event itself, but obviously the social aspect is a huge part of it.
 

Dewin

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Oct 26, 2017
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Love this stuff. Always fascinating to see what you can really do with some of this hardware. One demo that blew my mind recently was this one for PC.



All this done in a program about 64 kilobytes large. The screenshot included in the zip is larger than the entire program haha.

Thank you. This one is insane. Never saw it.

Edit:
Fuck this is an old thread.
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
10,609
Fuck, that's not good. Any chance it could be done as a remote thing? I don't know how much (other than socialising) is done at the event itself, but obviously the social aspect is a huge part of it.
Nope it's canceled canceled. Not even postponed

Expect summer parties to carry the numerous amiga productions that were almost done for next month.

I think Assembly is in july or august and used to be, with The Party, the biggest demoscene event of the year
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
10,609
Fuck, that's not good. Any chance it could be done as a remote thing? I don't know how much (other than socialising) is done at the event itself, but obviously the social aspect is a huge part of it.
So it happens that Revision 2020 is a remote thing following the cancelation.

Right no the PC 256 bytes intro compo is beeing livestreamed here :

 

delume

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Oct 27, 2017
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Newest of all Zealands
Great thread. The C64 demo scene was a magical time, cyberpunk thoughts and youthful edginess. 😋 I remember watching some of the intros to cracked and pirated games in complete awe. While my adventures in programming stopped at tinkering with the Sid chip (❤️) I've always had an immense interest in the process of programming these demos. Has anyone ever made a good video on the subject?

I think demos are part of why I like consoles so much, the idea of people all smashing away on the same hardware trying to optimise the crap out of it even when it isn't top of the line.
 

Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
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I didnt know the ZX Spectrum was capable of such sound quality. Impressive.
The ZX Spectrum can't do that sound btw, it's a special sound card you add to it, the AY sound chip : AY Sound cart for the ZX Spectrum

The BBC Micro demo by Bitshifters remaking Oxygene's 2000 ST demo STnICCC was hella impressive

Especially the rendition of Laxity'sChecknobankh



Took me a while to recognize but man what a beat of a demo. There's no links to individual demos yet bit here's the full Oldschool comp for those who missed it and want to see it

 
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Crispy75

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fularu

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Oct 25, 2017
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The AY-3-8912 sound chip was fitted as standard on all Spectrums (Spectra?) from the 128 onwards. It's got three tone channels and one noise channel.
That sound card module just allows 48 and + models to access the same chip, and improves the output quality for the other models.
It's not just about the soundchip, it's also about implementation. Read more here : https://www.bytedelight.com/?produc...eo-audio-interface-for-all-zx-spectrum-models

I realise my edit was poorly worded