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Despite really liking AC: Odyssey, I think I'm done with it because it's too bloated and too long
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One of the most extraordinary gaming experiences I've ever had, and I never cared or even played Assassin's Creed games before. If it wasn't for Spider-Man, that would be my GOTY. Put 120 hours in it, better than RDR II. And I mean A LOT better. I still have to play God of War tho.
yeah it's no secret, every game like this uses some kind of proc gen on an established template. plus "hand made" assets like dialogue, NPCs ect to break the illusion. this one does it okay IMO if you're willing to meet it halfway (which is understandable if you wouldn't - obvs it's a huge ass game) as opposed to something like say skyrim where 90% of side stuff is go on a dungeon dive to save the family heirloom or whatever
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Same thing with me and Origins. I really enjoyed the game a lot, but after 40 hours of missions and messing around in the open world, I was burned out on it. And the burn out carried over to Odyssey, which I didn't get. I think I will be ready to jump back in for the Norse game next year though on PS5.
Bringing back the Tombstones from AC2 would have added a nice layer of variation and brought in some good change of pace. There was a lack of missions involving platforming the series is known for. And Tombstones would have covered these grounds nicely.
Definitely a bit too bloated but nevertheless, I put in over 100hrs and haven't even touched the DLC yet.
I think gamers "make" the game feel bloated because of the "I need to do everything" urge and that's when the game (or other OW games) become a drag.
I always focus on the main bit of a game when I start to get bored and drop all side quests, ? Marks and other collectibles. Once the main game is done, I have a break and return few weeks later to "finish" it properly if I feel like it.
I think gamers "make" the game feel bloated because of the "I need to do everything" urge and that's when the game (or other OW games) become a drag.
I always focus on the main bit of a game when I start to get bored and drop all side quests, ? Marks and other collectibles. Once the main game is done, I have a break and return few weeks later to "finish" it properly if I feel like it.
the crazy feeling when you completed the tiny first island and then look at the huge rest if the map with all its icons. I have a lot of fun but it's so much. Also, so many systems to keep track of.
Same here.
The XP requirements to reach new areas made me put down Origins and pass on Odyssey.
The advice given here "don't do sidequests" seems strange to me, as the new AC games can't be beaten without doing a ton of them.
i def agree that Odyssey is leaps and bounds better at being an Assassins Creed game than Red Dead Redemption 2 is . Tho it kinda fails being a western , but thats ok, cause its not a western. Neither its a slow burn narrative driven , character piece that goes for very particular , very methodical approach to its open world and systems.
I bought this on PS4 a few days ago. For quite some time I've had my Pro hooked up to a Gsync 1080p monitor. I recently got my consoles a new 4k HDR-ish monitor (I hate that there's always some huge asterisk with low-to-midrange displays still), and I really wanted to have a little showpiece. Looks really cool with 4k and HDR, though.
I enjoyed Origins. I put maybe 50 hours in and got burned out, and it is entirely possible that will happen here. I sort of view the new Creed games as like Witcher 3 lite. I really like all the various quests, but at some point, you need to critical path or GTFO.
I enjoyed Origins. I put maybe 50 hours in and got burned out, and it is entirely possible that will happen here. I sort of view the new Creed games as like Witcher 3 lite. I really like all the various quests, but at some point, you need to critical path or GTFO.
First mainline Assassins Creed game I've ever skipped. Origins was way too long and bloated and I've heard Odyssey is even worse in that regard. I'm no longer invested in the story since they ended the Desmond arc either, so no real incentive to jump in. I'm sure that a lot of people like the new direction, but it's kinda ruined the series for me.
I think the game works best if you don't treat that world as something you have to fully explore. It's better if you just go to where you find more interesting and do that until you level up enough to finish the story, and then finish it. Don't bother doing everything, just what feels compelling. I thing the game offers a lot of content, but it's to give you choice, not for you to do every single thing.
Same. I'm just not interested in games these days that take forever to complete.
Yeah. "Side" content is a major misnomer for the Origins-style AC games. When you need to grind the content in order to progress in the game, its not really a side quest anymore.
I went into Odyssey real optimistic because I loved Origins. I had to stop about 40 hours in when the story still had no end in sight and the side objectives kept just all being fucking identical and so repetitive, and the story missions just felt like more linear versions of the side activities with cutscenes in them, and I did not give one lick about that story (I picked Kassandra, but Alexios didn't seem any better). I don't know what about Origins I liked that I didn't in Odyssey, besides the story, because Origins blows Odyssey out of the water- Bayek is so much more interesting and fun than either of Odyssey's protags. Even still, I enjoyed the gameplay of Origins in a way I didn't in Odyssey. Maybe it was just fatigue. I'd be interested to see if I would enjoy Origins going back.
That all said, if the rumors about the next game being Vikings is true, I'm there day one for no other reason than the setting. If they do that even moderately well, it'll probably be good enough to keep me going through the story at least. It worked for Viking: Battle for Asgard, which wasn't a stellar game by any means.
That all said, if the rumors about the next game being Vikings is true, I'm there day one for no other reason than the setting. If they do that even moderately well, it'll probably be good enough to keep me going through the story at least. It worked for Viking: Battle for Asgard, which wasn't a stellar game by any means.
Origins has vastly better main characters and story to Odyssey, which is just a dumb grab bag of Greek references. The assassination targets are just random jobbers walking around enemy camps or on ships who don't even have death scenes. There's a background story of the war between Athens and Sparta, but it's just an excuse to have a lot of battles (you arbitrarily join either side on a per-battle basis based on nothing more than the whims of the game designers and/or the loot rewards).
The game is exceedingly packed with side content and game systems, though. If you just want to fuck around in a big sandbox, it's the AC of choice.
I've put about 7~9 hours into Odyssey and while I'm having fun it already feels a bit bloated.
How is Origins? Still hold up? I think Ancient Egypt might actually appeal to me more than the mish-mash of Greek lore. But if I do give it a spin I'd probably think it's best to do it first if Odyssey has better gameplay/is more refined.
How is Origins? Still hold up? I think Ancient Egypt might actually appeal to me more than the mish-mash of Greek lore. But if I do give it a spin I'd probably think it's best to do it first if Odyssey has better gameplay/is more refined.
I think at a certain point you have to let go of side quests if you aren't having fun with them. That said I'll never understand why people are so against the side quests in ACO and Odyssey but are all over the ones in Witcher 3. How many of those were simple detective vision follow the path quests, or generic monster slaying? They're all in the same ballpark.
Its one and a half years old dude. I liked it better. Its leaner. I think i cleared near the entirety of the game in 50 hours, really taking my sweet, sweet time savouring everything imaginable because the setting was so awesome and i like the new gamedesign they took with the series
this is true from a gameplay perspective. I found the stories those side quests told and their characters in W3 mostly interesting and well made though. some side quests even caused other quests later in the game.
Don't treat it like a check list game. Focus on seeing the sights and doing "!" Quests along the way when not following the story. Let everything else come naturally. There are a lot of really fucking good side quests & story threads out in the world -- and often what may seem like a simple quest takes a surprising turn or comes with some surprisingly agonizing choices. Also I role play, so I don't attack both sides indiscriminately and have no problems denying tasks that don't feel in line with 'my Kassandra'.
It's all in the approach. Witcher 3 feels bloated & grindy too if you make it a point to try and clear every Point of Interest on top of things like Horse Racing, Brawling, Gwent etc..etc.. That stuff is just there to fill out the world with stuff to do.
It's all in the approach. Witcher 3 feels bloated & grindy too if you make it a point to try and clear every Point of Interest on top of things like Horse Racing, Brawling, Gwent etc..etc.. That stuff is just there to fill out the world with stuff to do.
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It's Origins, not Odyssey, that is more refined. Origins is better in every way unless you actually want a bloated sandbox (and superpowers and naval stuff).
I've been toying with the idea of picking this one up for months, but I imagine my experience lining up with this. I liked Origins on it's own terms and while that and more sounds sort of appealing, I think I'll leave this one be and wait for the viking one. I can't imagine they will have addressed the repetitiveness in any meaningful way with the way these games are developed, but odds are it won't be any worse than Odyssey either.
I avoided it and Origins for that reason. I just can't stomach these super long open world games any more in general and I never liked AC enough to play that type of game in that huge setting.
Variety is the spice of life and I'd rather play a bunch of shorter games than a few super long and repetitive ones.
Variety is the spice of life and I'd rather play a bunch of shorter games than a few super long and repetitive ones.
To expand upon my post earlier in this thread about sticking with Odyssey far longer than Origins: the same basic gameplay loop is there, but Odyssey provides a greater sense of progression and rewarding your actions than its predecessor, IMO. Much of that has to do with the loot it showers you in, and the opportunity to really create a "build" with your character, but the abilities and powers you gain for leveling up are also more interesting with than those found in Origins. I always feel like there's something new to try out the next time I'm tasked with sneaking into a fort, whereas in Origins I'd gotten the sense that I'd seen just about all the game had to offer on that front early on.
Additionally, the sidequests in Odyssey, while perhaps not as rich as the ones in Origins, often contribute to your main goals in ways beyond just providing the XP to reach the required level. You might start off on what you think is a mere sidequest, only to find that it unveils a cultist, or at least brings you closer to a conquest battle in that region.
At the end of the day, though, it probably boils down to how much you enjoy sneaking through forts and assassinating guards. I really like that! I don't even mind the grindy bounty contracts: any excuse to make more headshots with my bow. I've also been playing Hitman and MGS a lot lately because they offer a lot of that same feeling. But you aren't really into it, than 50 or 100 hours of it will wear you out.
Additionally, the sidequests in Odyssey, while perhaps not as rich as the ones in Origins, often contribute to your main goals in ways beyond just providing the XP to reach the required level. You might start off on what you think is a mere sidequest, only to find that it unveils a cultist, or at least brings you closer to a conquest battle in that region.
At the end of the day, though, it probably boils down to how much you enjoy sneaking through forts and assassinating guards. I really like that! I don't even mind the grindy bounty contracts: any excuse to make more headshots with my bow. I've also been playing Hitman and MGS a lot lately because they offer a lot of that same feeling. But you aren't really into it, than 50 or 100 hours of it will wear you out.
I will not invest more than 20 hours into a game unless it is absolutely gripping, these developers think that we have nothing else going on in our lives to just release games with laughable padding to appease some ultra niche hardcore audience that scoffs at anything less than 50hrs gt
EDIT: nevermind didn't know about the patch
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I'm 55 hours in and have only explored half the map lol and this is how I am feeling.
Odyssey is just fucking amazing, I love everything about it.
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adjust level scaling. They added that in Jan.
well shit! didn't know they patched that in. Time to hop back in. Thanks!
I didn't have a problem with the length, I got the platinum after 73 hours which is pretty reasonable for an open world game. If you just care about the main story then I think I hit the first ending at around 40 hours.
I was holding off on playing this because it seemed bloated for mt reasons, but hearing now that they patched level scaling I might just main quest it 😀
Both strong games. Pick the one with the setting you like the most. Personally I adored the Egypt setting but objectively Odyssey is an equally strong game.
Awesome, sounds like I might prefer Origins.
argh i'm currently on a break from this game, 60 hours in. i don't have a completionist mentality but i at least like to do all the major sidequests. odyssey gives me big anxiety because every time i clear one area's worth of quests and go to the next island, another 5 sprout up. it doesn't help that main story missions often divvy up into many separate smaller quests too. and frankly, the sidequests in odyssey are a huge mixed bag. sometimes it's an interesting contained plot line, sometimes it's a barebones fetch quest; this really adds to the "i have to try do them all so i don't miss out" mindset i have.
i'll probably jump back into it soon but man. cut the world in half, trim the fat, write more quests and characters that i actually care about instead of voicing random npcs in the name of fleshing out every identical greek town. i miss ass creed 2.
i'll probably jump back into it soon but man. cut the world in half, trim the fat, write more quests and characters that i actually care about instead of voicing random npcs in the name of fleshing out every identical greek town. i miss ass creed 2.
The problem is not that it is long (took me 114 hours completionist), the problem is that its quest design and writing is mostly poor and extremely repetitive. And I find it really weird that Ubisoft with its thousands of employees is not able to replicate Witcher 3's quest design quality, given that TW3 was made by much smaller team (and is still much bigger game, took me over 150 hours completionist).
Has ubi mentioned anything about the walking tour mode that was in Origins being in odyssey? I miss both that and the amusing yet informative codex entries.
I've played about 50 hours as a assassin build with only daggers and stealth and now I'm trying the hunter build with arrows. Totally different way of playing the game.
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Games being too long aren't really that much of a problem to me if the gameplay/combat loop is satisfying enough, it's why I don't mind doing boring side quests for instance, if I like the combat I can still have fun. Unfortunately the combat isn't very good in AC, it certainly doesn't look good and it never felt satisfying to me even though I put around 15 hours into it, at that point I had to drop it. Loved near everything else though but if the combat isn't something I like in a game like this, pretty much every mission I did involved combat, it's a major part of the gameplay, there's little reason to continue playing, becomes a chore to playthrough.
I got Origins in the last Monthly Bundle and I just started playing. It's a lot of fun, plus it's one of the few games that streams in HDR using my Shield's Gamestream feature so I can play it in bed.
I'll probably never finish it though- there just seems like there's too much to it. I will admit to investing 200+ hrs into Skyrim+mods tho. lol
I'll probably never finish it though- there just seems like there's too much to it. I will admit to investing 200+ hrs into Skyrim+mods tho. lol
I bought a cheap key and played for 12 hours, then I got sidetracked by better games that respect my time more. It seems vastly bloated for what's on offer in terms of story and gameplay. I'll return to it when I feel like some McD gaming.
Ive just started it after renting and honestly it had me right up until it introduced sailing. God, sailing is just so fuckin tedious and unfun.
Alexios can be gay so he's atleast just as good as Kassandra tbh