The "tight, fun gameplay" is literally the same exact thing it was 3 years ago because they refuse to add any new enemy types/races/tactics. It's "tight" but it's certainly no longer "fun." It's just a thing you do to progress, at this point.
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This doesnt work though. They had it in a good place at the end of D1. They figured it out.
Then give us a stripped down sequel and sell it drip feed style AGAIN.
Nobody is personally attacking Bungie staff. I actually think its Activision who are the main issue. This DLC is lazy though, 100%, and they DO give us the bare minimim that they can get away with. It must be nice in pink and fluffy land but I prefer to see things down to earth.
We all know that it's not super simple to just add new enemy types and races, right?
Other studios do it.
Actually other devs dance around Bungie's output.
What's more likely, that 750 people are going into the office and browsing Twitter all day instead of working, or that making new content for Destiny is still really fucking hard?
Curse of Osiris is shallow and the main campaign is a drag, but to call Bungie "lazy" is inaccurate and insulting. It also makes you seem like a really shitty person.
I totally get that people don't like to see re-used content, at the same time, for a game that is trying to build a world they "never go back here, ever" approach would be pretty silly. The reused areas still had new voice lines, different enemy encounters, they didn't make themselves, it's not like copy pasting an essay. Maybe they shouldn't have advertised 8 story missions, and the reused areas would be a nice bonus? The people making this are likely not the same as the ones advertising and selling it to you.
Adding new enemy races isn’t the biggest deal to me. My problem is their encounter design or philosophy is extremely lacking and boring. I feel all of their campaigns have had this problem.
They put you in a big open space and just funnel enemies at you with no rhyme or reason. There’s no challenge or creativity in the way you fight the enemies. Here’s another drop ship with 3 dregs and a captain, how intriguing...
They put you in a big open space and just funnel enemies at you with no rhyme or reason. There’s no challenge or creativity in the way you fight the enemies. Here’s another drop ship with 3 dregs and a captain, how intriguing...
Activision isn't part of core game design. That's Bungie's territory. Bad game design decisions fall on Bungie and unless they have some people giving them critical feedback to change it they aren't going to. That being said, Destiny 2 and CoO is the game they wanted to make as they have said numerous times. I honestly believe this game isn't for the people who we think it is anymore and that's fine. Bungie should hope that the fanbase that enjoys the game will generate enough revenue for their financial expectations.
In the user's defense, the story missions and the strikes are pretty much the same. Idk... I would consider that... sort of unethical.
I mean, yeah, but it's not like they haven't had multiple years to come up with something.
The Taken was a fine half step, but that was what, over 2 years ago?
Alternatively, Bungie could at least attempt to make their encounters feel different from 3 years ago, which it pretty much doesn't.
you would say that, seeing as you wrote an entire book about how "lazy devs" is a shitty thing only shitty ignorant people say, considering how hard developers wo--
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I don't think there is any MMO trying to put the level of artistic detail in every area of the game that Bugnie is doing. The assets/textures in WoW in particular are very low quality by comparison.
I can’t believe one of the story missions was a strike I’ve done multiple times before in season 1. So disappointing.
The art team doesn't seem to be the problem from the outside at least. The stuff they put out is top notch on a consistent basis. The systems they implement around that, however, are not.
I would agree that how it is advertised seems a little unethical. Simply making it this way is not unethical. At the same time, all people had to do was wait a day if this type of thing is going to be a problem for them.
The boss baddy was an new enemy type, and there were model changes for the acendant / entangled Vex.
I have no need for a new race personally, mostly because I don't expect Bungie to put in the heavy lifting needed to add them to the universe thematically.
Adding different AI and animations would be a better use of resources for a game like this that takes cues from MMOs and RPGs. I don't really care for the sequel day of old where you need "new enemies" for every new romp because it was easier than telling a unified, epic story of a world that feels alive and lived in.
Not that Bungie is hitting that out of the park either.
Yeah, it's like an incredibly talented football team that always comes out flat in the first half. It's not as simple as being lazy or greedy. It's simply part of their identity.
Bungie seem very dedicated to their vision and philosophies. Given that, it's not surprising to me that it takes them months (and even years) to correct course on their mistakes.
Reading this thread, and seeing what Massive did with their free update for The Division this week it's amazing what comes out of a company that is trying its hardest to keep its players and make a good impression for its sequel.
This is speaking for myself at this point but as a person who bought the CE that came with the DLC1 and DLC2, the current situation makes me sad. I don't want Bungie to fail. I want to love this game because I loved D1. As it stands now, the DLC is a failing. And here's the real eyeopener. I always knew this DLC would fail. The problems I have with D2 are issues that are the core design level. It's not more content that we need. We need design changes. That is not something that is easily fixed in a small DLC. I wanted Bungie, however, to express change and show that they are learning from Blog post last week. But they showed that they didn't. This is the part that makes me really sad.
Many other games feature enemies that are just human dudes with the same weapons we use. One is bigger with a rocket launcher. Oh a new one! He has a riot shield, I suppose.
A game with a world and lore like Destiny (or Halo for that matter), "adding" new enemies is a monumental task.
Not saying I dont want it. I'm just saying I understand why they're not just flooding us with new enemies.
I wouldn’t call Bungie lazy. I would call them misguided or perhaps not focused.
They clearly want to deliver a fun experience to players , but maybe with how big they are now it’s just so bloated they can’t reach the goals they set out for what players want.
I played the first 4 story missions last night. I plan to complete the story and MAYBE grind up close to max after but have zero desire currently.
The best part of the dlc is visuals so far. Soundtrack has been a big miss for me.
They clearly want to deliver a fun experience to players , but maybe with how big they are now it’s just so bloated they can’t reach the goals they set out for what players want.
I played the first 4 story missions last night. I plan to complete the story and MAYBE grind up close to max after but have zero desire currently.
The best part of the dlc is visuals so far. Soundtrack has been a big miss for me.
Wouldnt it be Activision who set the schedules and DLC timeframes etc? I always assumed they pull the strings and Bungie act accordingly, could be wrong though
Come on man, you are better than this. If you don't like the game then that's fine. But most people work very hard and their jobs and take pride in what they do...and alot of people really like Destiny 2. You are trying to judge a companies' worth based on your disappointment? Especially since I'm guessing you liked Destiny 1?
This is what the Mario+Rabbids dev was talking about when feedback becomes too harsh. Implying they are lazy, don't care, or are poorly managed is over-the-top.
I mean... Activision sets the timing but it's not like Bungie magically says these core designs aren't changing due to timing.
By what standard is it failing? Player population certainly isn't a problem, not sure if we will ever know how many copies were sold. This DLC was likely already done when they made the blog post, those changes should come on the 12th I think.
Activision let Bungie delay D1 for a year, they then let them delay D2 for a year. They then gave Bungie, not 1 but 2 of their studios to assist them in creating content while covering all the cost.
I don’t think Activision is to blame for Bungie putting out lackluster and shallow content.
Bungie's own employees claim they were mismanaged. But I agree that calling individuals 'lazy' doesn't help anyone. No one knows what devs were instructed to make. All I know is that the end result of all their planning etc was a half-assed DLC. They couldn't even be bothered to test their guns in the crucible.
Completely agree with this. Bungie gets all the blame (or praise) for the content they put out.
My standard. Sorry, I should've clarified again later on in that post. Everything I had posted there was an opinion to me.
^nah you can keep the random perks, I’d rather just have really good weapons and they be hard to get, and have way more crucible options.
Like a 6v6 free for all would be nice m.
Like a 6v6 free for all would be nice m.
Sorry for the double post but before this thread becomes a warzone with banned user left and right, i want to make everyone know that the current Forum Policy dictates that calling devs/studios lazy is unacceptable and can be grounds for bans. HEAD SUP.
Fair enough but if you want to look at failure, look at Lawbreakers, this is far from failure.
Good news: I dropped $20 on this so I could bitch about it like everyone else. Fun fact: everything nu-Bungie does these days can be described starting off with "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Raid "Lair"? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
New World Space? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Heroic Strikes back? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Infinite Forest? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Heroic Adventures? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
New Campaign Missions on Mercury? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
It's telling that Bungie's motto is basically "keep your expectations in check" (which was funnily enough the tone of the conversation when revealing the raid lair on stream).
Raid "Lair"? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
New World Space? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Heroic Strikes back? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Infinite Forest? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
Heroic Adventures? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
New Campaign Missions on Mercury? "It might disappoint you, to be honest."
It's telling that Bungie's motto is basically "keep your expectations in check" (which was funnily enough the tone of the conversation when revealing the raid lair on stream).
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When a Better Devils drop, I don't want to be anxious about whether it's going to have the combination of perks that's gonna make the drop worth. I want to be immediately excited because I know what the drop means.
Now what happens when the next Better Devils drop? They need to fix that. But fixed rolls have been awesome. Guns have personality and character now. It's great.
Listen, I'll critique and call out Bungie when they fuck up. But to call them lazy, is incredibly insulting.
People need to remember at the end of the day, they are people too man. They ain't sitting back and laughing every day
"Hahaha we really got our fans guys, all their money. And we've barely done anything!"
Come on son you know you're better than that
People need to remember at the end of the day, they are people too man. They ain't sitting back and laughing every day
"Hahaha we really got our fans guys, all their money. And we've barely done anything!"
Come on son you know you're better than that
I'm not trying to insult anyone particular at Bungie. Clearly people go into work every day and do their jobs. I'm just saying there's a clear disconnect between people's expectations and what Bungie, as a collective, has produced. It could management. It could be conflicting ideas. It could be redundancy. I don't know. I don't work there. But what I do know is that they can do better. They have too good of a reputation and Destiny is too good of a game for things to go to waste.
Yeah, it's bad, even as someone who is interested in the game I'm staying away because the population is so low.
"Ok team, I know we've all had fun drinking on the job the past few weeks, but we need to release a DLC next week. Who's ready to reuse some assets?" :D
This is actually attacking the Bungie staff, and you're making one of the worst arguments you can make about a game. The people that worked on its development busted their asses. Game development is hard as hell and Bungie - and other devs - don't give the minimum they can get away with. They do the best they can in the time they have with the resources available. They make mistakes, might have have a flawed vision, etc and there are a lot of ways to critique the game without going after the developer's work ethic. Calling them lazy is not among them. I remember this kind of thing being tossed out during the Dark Below post-launch. Turns out the devs on that crunched non-stop for three months to build it. Then, after a grueling and difficult development, got called lazy. There were a lot of circumstances that led to it being what it was, but being lazy was not a component. It's a horrible argument to make and just undermines any other criticism you might have on offer.
At some point all the Destiny 1 hardcore 1000+ hours godroll poopsocks need to get over that Destiny 2 is just not made with them in mind. The sooner you do the sooner you'll probably come off as not as desperate and sad.
I would also argue that there aren't a lot of games like Destiny and that while the industry is moving towards these kinds of games being the norm, it's still in the process of figuring things out. Destiny is a very much an example of how difficult figuring this stuff out it.
I don't want to say they can do better because I'm not going to assume that what I think "better" is is actually any good. I don't make games. They do. If they try and figure this out and fail, they fail.
I don't think Bungie as a whole company, or any of the staff is lazy. But as a video game studio, this Bungie is frustratingly misguided and lack focus. Halo days Bungie weren't that much better considering the tech issues, delays and content cuts, but in the end there were always brilliant individuals keeping things together, and this is something currently Bungie needs.
Yeah, they just need to increase the weapons basically and make sure you can customize them more. Like the faction quest you can complete to give your armor special looks and add-ons. Little things like that go a long way.
Or some sort of acknowledgement in the UI and systems that shows that many duplicates of that weapon has dropped. Maybe you can feed duplicates into the weapon to unlock an additional perk? Maybe you can feed them in to unlock weapon exclusive shaders? I still think this is how Masterworks should work. Your Masterwork weapon is a culmination of evolving your base legendary with dupes.