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Destiny 2: Forsaken |OT2| How's your sister?

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BMW

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Hand cannon meta keeps PVP alive - no one wants to run around with ARs and pulse rifles. Hand cannons should always be dominant in the right hands. That said, a skilled player will win with any weapon - it will just be extremely boring.
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Doesn't make sense to reward already ultra skilled players with two-tappers with an absurd range

Every time a LH/NF drops that person becomes a gate-keeper to other trying to get those weapons, its a serpent eating its own tail
 
Hand cannon meta keeps PVP alive - no one wants to run around with ARs and pulse rifles. Hand cannons should always be dominant in the right hands. That said, a skilled player will win with any weapon - it will just be extremely boring.
The point is that a comp-exclusive gun reserved for sweats should not make the game miserable for players just trying to play QP.
 

BMW

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The point is that a comp-exclusive gun reserved for sweats should not make the game miserable for players just trying to play QP.
I think for certain players any dominant weapon will make them miserable. Some people can never be pleased. Personally, I am worried that Bungie is reverting back to their normal selves and nerfing anything "fun."
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Today was a pretty good RNG day for me. Managed to get 3 new exotics in the span of 2 hours.

Got Shards of Galanor from a daily heroic strike, Lord of Wolves from Spider's Bounty, and Le Monarque from unlocking Gofannon forge on my 3rd character.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Just got my Dredgen title. Going with Nova Bomb instead of Chaos Reach had been a nice change of pace. Rocking a healthy 75% winrate with my crew.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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How about you all stop bitching about Luna and get Luna yourself in comp together with clanmates? Isn't that the point of D Era clans? If you can spent a shitload of time doing 3 to 6 raids a week so why can't you do the same for comp?

You can 4 stack in comp to reach fabled for a easier time but in the end you didn't but bitch about it.

Any Luna user will tell you the range is piss poor and get outgunned by a pulse/scout/telesto/wavesplitter anytime. NF is a different story because that gun range is ridiculous.

"But but only the super sweaty pro players can get that comp exclusive gun!" Bullshit, then about those weapons like 1KV or Anarchy which are raid exclusive PvE guns? How many tries,time and effort in doing 3 to 6 times a week for a chance at it?

Look at LiK, his KD is 0.7 but he got his Luna by duo/4 stacking not to mention the time and effort he put in comp over the season which is 3 months. Reaching fabled is all about the time you put in. I got Luna or mountaintop 2 months after the start each season but what have you been doing in those 2 months besides just raiding and bounties?

I can agree that pvp matchmaking is dumpster fire garbage and comp needs a rework because it's a piece of shit but bitching about something that you yourself can get but did not think of putting in time is stupid.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Look at LiK, his KD is 0.7 but he got his Luna by duo/4 stacking not to mention the time and effort he put in comp over the season which is 3 months. Reaching fabled is all about the time you put in. I got Luna or mountaintop 2 months after the start each season but what have you been doing in those 2 months besides just raiding and bounties?
jesus dude you sure he's okay with being fucking called out like that
 
Oct 25, 2017
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jesus dude you sure he's okay with being fucking called out like that
I'm not insulting him or have anything against him. I'm highlighting the fact that you don't need to be a super sweaty pro player to achieve a comp pinnacle weapon. He got my atmost respect for putting in time and effort to get what he wants instead of complaining.
 
Just got my Dredgen title. Going with Nova Bomb instead of Chaos Reach had been a nice change of pace. Rocking a healthy 75% winrate with my crew.

Congrats mate! I'm about to reset my Infamy for the second time and will be grinding Gambit matches till the new season hits in a couple weeks to push me over the third reset finish line. Never thought I'd be going for that particular seal, but grinding out Escalation Protocols for the rest of the Warmind Destinations-related gear is not fun for me at all.
 
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I'm not insulting him or have anything against him. I'm highlighting the fact that you don't need to be a super sweaty pro player to achieve a comp pinnacle weapon. He got my atmost respect for putting in time and effort to get what he wants instead of complaining.
my friend is a TRASHCAN but he's a DEDICATED TRASHCAN AND I RESPECT HIM FOR THAT
 
Oct 25, 2017
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my friend is a TRASHCAN but he's a DEDICATED TRASHCAN AND I RESPECT HIM FOR THAT
I don't think 0.7 kd in comp is trash, it's a average stat. If you think thats a trash stat then I got nothing to say, that's your words, not mine. I met plenty of those stats with Lunas and I have been shitted by them alot of times.
 

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Love Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten.

It's great to see skilled players rewarded with weapons that reward skill. In order to proc the perk that makes gun awesome instead of just very good, you need to be good at aiming to begin with. If you're not, you're probably better off with Ace of Spades or Trust anyway, since they're more forgiving (but with a lower ceiling as far as optimal TTK).

HC meta over AR meta, any day of the week.

Doesn't make sense to reward already ultra skilled players with two-tappers with an absurd range

Every time a LH/NF drops that person becomes a gate-keeper to other trying to get those weapons, its a serpent eating its own tail
Ace of Spades and Trust both have longer range with a lower skill gap. It's not that hard to earn LH with either of those two.
 
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JaegerDeus

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Only true for PC. Console Ace is absolute garbage with recoil and bloom, there's a reason why people used Explosive rounds Trust instead of Ace to deal with Luna / NF.
Fair enough. I used AoS to earn LH on Xbone, then used LH to get NF.

I didn't have too much of a problem with it, but then I got One-Eyed Mask pretty early too lol
 

JaegerDeus

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Hand cannon meta keeps PVP alive - no one wants to run around with ARs and pulse rifles. Hand cannons should always be dominant in the right hands. That said, a skilled player will win with any weapon - it will just be extremely boring.
I don't think HCs alone should be dominant, but I agree precision weapons should be.

HCs, pulse rifles and scouts should ALWAYS out-TTK automatic weapons, and 1HK weapons should all be severely disadvantaged outside very specific scenarios.

The only shooter I've ever played that made full auto weapons fun to use was the TitanFall games, and that was primarily because you're bouncing around the map at 100mph.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I never get titled when I die to Luna/NF in 3 shots, if you managed to hit my dome 2-3 times in a row rapidly, you deserve the kill. Now shotgun apes on the other hand, ugh tilted for days.
 

JaegerDeus

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One-Eyed Mask nerf coming in early March. Y'all bout to get slapped.
Ideally it's nothing more than a cut-down on how long it marks targets, and the range at which targets stay marked.

The people whining about the health recov or the damage boost are out of their minds, every other weapon in the game has perks that boost damage, and plenty of exotics offer health regen.
 
I don't even want your dumb Luna's. Any schmuck can roll with that.

If you're really hardcore you run Redrix as your pinnacle.

I never get titled when I die to Luna/NF in 3 shots, if you managed to hit my dome 2-3 times in a row rapidly, you deserve the kill.
People always say this like it's some high-skill accomplishment as opposed to the basic thing every rando in the Crucible can do. Like, if you can't hit headshots consistently you're either a mediocre shotgun ape or you already quit. Dudes aren't missing in there.
 
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People always say this like it's some high-skill accomplishment as opposed to the basic thing every rando in the Crucible can do. Like, if you can't hit headshots consistently you're either a mediocre shotgun ape or you already quit. Dudes aren't missing in there.
Well the way people bitch about Luna instead of getting one themselves, you'd think it is some impossibly high skill quest to get one. I had a 1.1 KD and I not only got Luna but also went all the way to NF, and I don't even like PvP that much. But I guess it is easier to bitch about it than try to get one for yourself.
 

JaegerDeus

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I don't even want your dumb Luna's. Any schmuck can roll with that.

If you're really hardcore you run Redrix as your pinnacle.



People always say this like it's some high-skill accomplishment as opposed to the basic thing every rando in the Crucible can do. Like, if you can't hit headshots consistently you're either a mediocre shotgun ape or you already quit. Dudes aren't missing in there.
It's funny how easy it supposedly is to 3-tap people... yet if the people who say so could only do so, they'd probably have a Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten by now.



That said, I do love my Redrix too.

Every time Desperado procs I hear a voice like 'It's part time' in my head.
 
Oh, and shoutout to BroodShadow & Ninja Kn1ght from the ERA D2 Discord. We ran the Strange Terrain NF a half dozen times this afternoon and I had a really good time. First time using discord for LFG. I almost never ran NFs because the other 3 people in my clan (lol I need to just bail from it) never really play and the loadouts I'm super comfortable with on my Hunter (my only 650 character) aren't very viable for running them solo-- at least I haven't had much luck when I try, so their patience was super appreciated. Looking forward to seeing what's in rotation this week!
 
Nov 7, 2017
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Love Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten.

It's great to see skilled players rewarded with weapons that reward skill. In order to proc the perk that makes gun awesome instead of just very good, you need to be good at aiming to begin with. If you're not, you're probably better off with Ace of Spades or Trust anyway, since they're more forgiving (but with a lower ceiling as far as optimal TTK).

HC meta over AR meta, any day of the week.



Ace of Spades and Trust both have longer range with a lower skill gap. It's not that hard to earn LH with either of those two.

Except anything that the vast vast majority use (hand cannons) is pretty by definition not skilled. If you gave every scrub a Luna's, that is all anyone would use. Because it is the easiest thing to use. It is the easiest to get kills with. It has laser stability and FREAKING DOES 132 DAMAGE IN ONE SHOT REGULARLY.

Bungie really had to cheat to make hand cannons good...to compensate for the low skill of that archetype's user (tee hee).

I agree AR meta was boring as fuck...but then again the meta is supposed to shift to not get stale. Except it never really shifts away from hand cannons for going on 5 years....except for a few moths here and there.

Pulse meta was fun.
 
Nov 7, 2017
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It's funny how easy it supposedly is to 3-tap people... yet if the people who say so could only do so, they'd probably have a Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten by now.



That said, I do love my Redrix too.

Every time Desperado procs I hear a voice like 'It's part time' in my head.

You need a fireteam to get Lunas. Period. THATS the real barrier...

Desperado sucks and noone uses it.

They need to give other archetypes perks on the level of hand cannons. Mida should hit 132 on it's 3rd shot. Pulses should get some kind of absurdly strong damage perk like Ace's. Etc.

And yeah, 3- tapping is unbelievably easy with Lunas. You really only need two crit. With a laser stability weapon,. Hell you can finish one guy with two and then two tap the next guy.

Stop with that.

The people pumping hand cannons were the main ones screaming "nerf mida" back in the day. Such hypocrites.

I really dont know how Bungie will deal with the Luna problem. THey're terrified of the never nerf bullies.

I assume they'll eventually give it to everybody (like Vendor palindrome). Wont solve the problem of how OP it is though and how it eradicates balance...

Low skill weapons will always predominate. Hence Lunas and shotguns run amok.
 
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Oct 30, 2017
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Love Luna's Howl and Not Forgotten.

It's great to see skilled players rewarded with weapons that reward skill. In order to proc the perk that makes gun awesome instead of just very good, you need to be good at aiming to begin with. If you're not, you're probably better off with Ace of Spades or Trust anyway, since they're more forgiving (but with a lower ceiling as far as optimal TTK).

HC meta over AR meta, any day of the week.



Ace of Spades and Trust both have longer range with a lower skill gap. It's not that hard to earn LH with either of those two.
On console with all that bloom? Nah, trust is crispy but you're overstating it's range.
How about you all stop bitching about Luna and get Luna yourself in comp together with clanmates? Isn't that the point of D Era clans? If you can spent a shitload of time doing 3 to 6 raids a week so why can't you do the same for comp?

You can 4 stack in comp to reach fabled for a easier time but in the end you didn't but bitch about it.

Any Luna user will tell you the range is piss poor and get outgunned by a pulse/scout/telesto/wavesplitter anytime. NF is a different story because that gun range is ridiculous.

"But but only the super sweaty pro players can get that comp exclusive gun!" Bullshit, then about those weapons like 1KV or Anarchy which are raid exclusive PvE guns? How many tries,time and effort in doing 3 to 6 times a week for a chance at it?

Look at LiK, his KD is 0.7 but he got his Luna by duo/4 stacking not to mention the time and effort he put in comp over the season which is 3 months. Reaching fabled is all about the time you put in. I got Luna or mountaintop 2 months after the start each season but what have you been doing in those 2 months besides just raiding and bounties?

I can agree that pvp matchmaking is dumpster fire garbage and comp needs a rework because it's a piece of shit but bitching about something that you yourself can get but did not think of putting in time is stupid.
Lol, C'mon dude that is reductive, you don't know how much time people put in, you're talking like getting these weapons is a simple exchange of time like it's a Raid.

I work crazy hours, but ignored all the aspects of the game I actually enjoyed in the first season to chase Lunas, everyone on this board can attest to my obsession, I was putting in work every night, never got past 1000 glory before being clapped back down repeatedly. Heck , you and I even teamed up in crucible and had a torrid time in comp.

So don't blame people for not wanting to be held hostage by shit game modes like countdown or having their streaks taken away by leavers mid match or the countless ohk bs and dust rocks that can snipe you from across the map. There are just too many small things that make dedicating time to comp a horrible, soul-crushing experience and I won't willingly submit myself to it. What compounds the issue is that the tools that paid for account recoveries and there are many now take these guns into qp to make that a intolerable experience.
 
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