Details about "New" Switch revision via OS datamine (LPDDR4x RAM, modest GPU performance boost, no "Pro" model in sight)

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chrisypoo

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I wonder how modest "modest" really is. I feel like some games would benefit a lot from a modest boost while other games there is obviously no saving.
Yeah, I was thinking that even a relatively mediocre GPU frequency boost, along with the increased ram, could potentially yield more than 20% performance increases in some games with unlocked frame rates, which would honestly be a big experience changer, but then I'm just spitballing here really.
 

Trrzs

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In which percentage the performance could improve if the original Switch chip go from 20 nm to a 16 NM process? I'm hoping the new models could improve a little bit some games like Xenoblade Chronicles 2.
 

modiz

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More/better RAM plus clock speed increases was all I wanted. A true "Pro" device would be great, but a lot of games would benefit significantly from even moderate performance improvements.

Potentially, or 4GB is for the lite and 8GB is for the revision. Doesn't really make sense to increase the dev kit ran by that much, but who knows.
Dream killers, the lot of you.


But for realsy, why increase the devkit to 8GB of RAM?

Maybe developers asked nintendo to bump the devkit ram to add in more debug software.
Having double the ram only on one switch and not the other when the rest of their specs are almost exactly the same sounds pointless
 

NateDrake

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More/better RAM plus clock speed increases was all I wanted. A true "Pro" device would be great, but a lot of games would benefit significantly from even moderate performance improvements.

Potentially, or 4GB is for the lite and 8GB is for the revision. Doesn't really make sense to increase the dev kit ran by that much, but who knows.

Edit

He seems to have wiped all of his tweets. I wonder if Nintendo went after him.
Twitter is down.
 

BrucCLea13k87

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This is exactly what I was expecting. Now I just need to know when the bloody thing is coming out! I lost my OG Switch!!
 

SweetVermouth

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They're not doubling the RAM of the Switch. Every game made for Switch has to run on the original system too, it wouldn't be worth it to go the extra mile and make special enhancements for an 8GB RAM Switch. The only enhancement you should expect is a slight upgrade in CPU/GPU power.
 

domthybomb

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They're not doubling the RAM of the Switch. Every game made for Switch has to run on the original system too, it wouldn't be worth it to go the extra mile and make special enhancements for an 8GB RAM Switch. The only enhancement you should expect is a slight upgrade in CPU/GPU power.
We all know that 8GB RAM upgrade would be for the OS so they can do absolutely nothing with it.
 

Chauzu

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A modest increase in clocks and faster memory can do wonders for a device like the Switch, but I don't see Nintendo using that to launch a revision unless it brings something else to the table (Better ergonomy and screen would be nice)

I think I'll stay as I am right now
This revision comes from moving to a newer chipset. I think Switch is the only device really using Tegra X1 now.
 

Gurgelhals

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The added support for 8GB RAM in combination with the removal of the support for 6GB is a bit weird though. I cannot see Nintendo doubling the RAM in the retail unit either (it's Nintendo for Christ's sake), but then again why go from 6GB to 8GB in the devkit in the first place?
 

Maximus

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That seems fine, I don’t understand why they would create a better performing model just yet. Other quality of life upgrades would be nice like better wifi, Bluetooth for headphones and better battery life. Also making the joycons and console feel more sturdy in handheld mode.
 

senj

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So, why change the DevKit to 8GB from 6GB?

The current Switch uses 2x 2GB Samsung memory modules. The Dev Kits, obviously, had 3x. So Nintendo was able to just focus on buying 2GB modules and maximized their volume discount.

My bet is they've switched the Lite and the "new" revised Switch to use 1x 4GB module. With density increases etc, the prices on modules drop over time, so it's probably now cheaper than 2 smaller modules. That leaves them with either: continuing to buy a vastly reduced amount of 2GB modules for the additional DevKit RAM, but now they're paying a lot more per 2GB module because they build a lot of DevKits, OR just buy a ton of 4GB modules, maximize their volume discount, put 1 in consumer Switches & 2 in the DevKits. No dev ever complained about more RAM anyways.
 

Becks'

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I hope they boost CPU clocks because that's where Switch lags when it comes to frame-pacing issues in taxing games like DOOM.
 

steviejd1

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This is pretty much as expected and what we've already known about but I would take some of it with a grain of salt as it still is full of assumption and speculation over amount of memory and clock speeds for a retail version.

Also stating not to expect a pro for at least another 18 months is speculation at best too. That's trying to find a pattern out of one occasion.
 

Dark Cloud

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This is the Switch Pro I feel like for me lol. I guess it’s how you define “pro”, which can be different for each person.
 

CNoodles

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So I am confused. Is this the "Pro" model that was leaked or is this a completely different thing?
 

DigitalOp

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So how does Nintendo advertise this?

They can't boost RAM, upgrade CPU, and update storage without informing customers that this Switch product differs from the OG unit
 

AtomicShroom

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I hope that the "New" Switch also has some other improvements that we haven't heard about or can't be found through the OS, like Joy-cons with stronger antennas that don't desync or drop inputs if you so much as just stare at them, or that don't drift.
 

Durden

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I always thought the pro model rumors seemed very un-Nintendo like. The only time they really pulled anything like that was the new 3DS that I recall. And that wasn’t even that big of a push.
 

Gridlock

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I read the OP. I fully accomplished that.... yup... I don’t know what’s going on... so there’s no Pro Switch? There is a future Pro Switch? Current Switch units being upgraded through software? What did I just read?
 

steviejd1

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This model is closer to what the new 3DS was to the 3DS and not the PS4 Pro to the PS4. It's a replacement more than an extra 'enthusiast' model.
 

Braaier

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I will wait for details from digital foundry and other outlets to see what kind of boost we are talking about. If it's very modest I'll stick to my OG Switch. But if it's something more I may upgrade if there is a decent deal.
 
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I read the OP. I fully accomplished that.... yup... I don’t know what’s going on... so there’s no Pro Switch? There is a future Pro Switch? Current Switch units being upgraded through software? What did I just read?
There is no Pro Switch.

The "Pro" Switch that was leaked is just a refresh with newer components for the original model. Same form factor, slightly better GPU/CPU/battery, but no noticeable graphical improvements.
 

Slayven

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So how does Nintendo advertise this?

They can't boost RAM, upgrade CPU, and update storage without informing customers that this Switch product differs from the OG unit
I think they advertise the storage bump to put some distance between it and the lite. Plus do a few game bundles for christmas
 

Gurgelhals

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This model is closer to what the new 3DS was to the 3DS and not the PS4 Pro to the PS4. It's a replacement more than an extra 'enthusiast' model.
New 3DS was a much more significant upgrade (3x CPU clock frequency and twice as much RAM with double the memory bandwidth). We're not getting a jump like that here. It would also be kind of pointless to be honest. I mean, how many actual titles took advantage of the higher specs of the New 3DS? A modest spec bump leading to more stable framerates and resolutions in demanding titles makes much more sense here.
 

steviejd1

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New 3DS CPU boost was pretty substantial, I don't know why people keep saying this.

There's a reason why Xenoblade 3D was limited to New 3DS.
New 3DS was a much more significant upgrade (3x CPU clock frequency and twice as much RAM with double the memory bandwidth). We're not getting a jump like that here. It would also be kind of pointless to be honest. I mean, how many actual titles took advantage of the higher specs of the New 3DS? A modest spec bump leading to more stable framerates and resolutions in demanding titles makes much more sense here.
I was talking in terms of it being a replacement for an OG Switch not how much more power it has.
 
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This should put to rest the Pro rumors right? The switch was never going to get a New 3DS level boost 2 years in.

This sounds much more like Xbox One to One S.

My guess is the CPU is boosted a bit and OG switch will be updated to use the boosted speed but only docked and portable performance remains the base.

Hopefully they use the added CPU power, however small, to finally bring over more classic games like n64, the Cube and wii Shield games

I am 100% interested in a “New” Switch even if it is the same. LPDDR4X alone should give it a battery life bump right?

TLDR. Buy a switch lite or switch whenever you want, a Pro with huge changes isn’t coming soon. You could die tomorrow folks, might as well play these games in their prime rather than waiting imo
 

senj

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So how does Nintendo advertise this?

They can't boost RAM, upgrade CPU, and update storage without informing customers that this Switch product differs from the OG unit
I don't think they do.

Maybe it launches with increased internal storage. Maybe it's a fully stealth revision that just changes the internals; the SNES got like 6 of those in its day. Chips removed, clocks tweaked, but no change to the externals or marketing.
 

KojiKnight

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The 8 gigs is probably for a revised dev kit and the new switch would have 6 gigs which is a fairly common amount for mobile devices. With OS overhead we should be looking at around 5.2 gigs for games. Not bad at all.
This isn't happening. The model being released will not have additional ram. Support for 8GB is almost certainly just for dev kits. "new" switch will contain 4GB just like current switch. You'll have to wait till the next model for anything beyond the slightest boosts.
Thats what i want to know

They will release a small revision then
"New" switch is this updated base model. People are saying this is like Xbox S over OG, I'd say this is even less than that. It sounds more like a typical cost saving revision only with the security flaws mostly worked out.

Like how later PS4 slims are slightly quieter due to having more power efficient parts.
 
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