That's the thing though, the Mariko Switch's are only two models within the firmware code, and the Switch Refresh on the FCC refiling with the new SoC IS the other Mariko Model beyond the lite. The only way it makes sense to have the Refresh not part of the Mariko Duo is of in the firmware Nintendo still treats the Refresh as the OG despite having Mariko.
10nm should be considerably more power efficient than an x2, unless I'm missing something.
This quote?In the OP it just says clock speeds are faster giving modest power boost
Yea, of course the new switch would be the only one with higher clock speedsThis quote?
The GPU in the "New" Switch is clocked at higher values than Switch Lite, potentially giving a modest boost
this only refers to switch pro/"new" switch
This quote?
The GPU in the "New" Switch is clocked at higher values than Switch Lite, potentially giving a modest boost
this only refers to switch pro/"new" switch
I don't know if he changed the tweet but this is what I can find now:
While Switch Lite features a smaller display and non-detachable joycons, the "New" model appears to be exactly the same as the current Switch. However, the GM20B_B GPU in the "New" Switch is clocked at higher values, potentially giving a modest performance boost.
So yeah he only mentions the "new" Switch as having those higher clocks but this is actually clearer than the quote in the OP you used, since some people thought the quote in the OP (clocked at higher values than the Switch Lite) just referred to docked clocks. While this tweet clearly indicates he's saying it's clocked at higher values than the "current Switch".
So yeah I don't disagree with your point at all but that quote you used appears to be slightly misleading.
The actual OS doesn't need that much RAM than there is reserved for it. I think it is a design choice by them to have an OS with not many features.
Yea it would already be obvious that docked has higher clock speeds than portable so he's not talking about that, he's talking about higher clocks period in any mode
What's weird about some of this is that the FCC filing doesn't mention anything about a change in battery size. Nor does it mention a change in RAM that the OP is indicating (only a change in flash memory). I'm not sure exactly what needs to be disclosed in those requests but it's odd that we don't see those here.
It makes me wonder if the FCC request is actually only a minor change to the OG Switch and not meant for this new Switch which will be treated as a different product.
Yeah it seems peculiar they wouldn't mention the RAM when they do mention the storage.
Fun fact: the test data for this that Nintendo submitted to the FCC was carried out last August!
Lack of reference to an actual enhanced Switch in the works is a bit of a bummer for me; but at the same time, I'm not going to continue to wait and see if one materializes. I feel I've waited long enough and the reported improvements might just be good enough for me.
All I ask is for this Switch revision to be out by mid-September so I can pick one up as a personal birthday present.
I mean, what do you mean by "actual enhanced Switch"? This is an enhanced Switch, it's what we've been told to expect for like 6 months now.
https://fccid.io/BKEHAC001/Test-Report/03-FCC-Test-Report-NII-4350008Wait what? Where do you see that? The earliest date I can see in this request is 7/3/2019.
What's weird about some of this is that the FCC filing doesn't mention anything about a change in battery size. Nor does it mention a change in RAM that the OP is indicating (only a change in flash memory). I'm not sure exactly what needs to be disclosed in those requests but it's odd that we don't see those here.
It makes me wonder if the FCC request is actually only a minor change to the OG Switch and not meant for this new Switch which will be treated as a different product.
By that I meant the constantly referred-to "Pro" Switch that was being used in rumors. But that was never actually reported to exist in the WSJ report so you can ignore that. Bad terminology on my part.
So I'm assuming since there is less heat in the new models they are able to go at a much higher clock.
https://fccid.io/BKEHAC001/Test-Report/03-FCC-Test-Report-NII-4350008
On the first page it says Date of test:
August 3 to 26, 2018
And once you get to the radiation test pages it has the date for each individual test.
Even while saving power? Or is power savings only come when it's at the same clocks as the old ram?With LPDDR4X, you could actually get higher bandwidth speeds than regul
https://fccid.io/BKEHAC001/Test-Report/03-FCC-Test-Report-NII-4350008
On the first page it says Date of test:
August 3 to 26, 2018
And once you get to the radiation test pages it has the date for each individual test.
The FCC filing says "change in CPU Board"... so motherboard which would include the RAM right?. Could be purposefully vague for the non-confidential parts
Not really, but they tested in a developer version of the dock, whatever that is. This gave me the thought that this change request could actually be used for a test unit and not the mass production one. The Switch Lite doesn't show up on FCC yet so you never know.
A nice 1024x1024 texture is only around 2MB, so I don't think RAM is an issue. Memory bandwidth (for load times) and GPU are bigger issues for textures to take a real step forward on Switch.Would 8gb ram potentially mean higher quality textures? Or would they still be hamstrung by the GPU?
Not really, but they tested in a developer version of the dock, whatever that is. This gave me the thought that this change request could actually be used for a test unit and not the mass production one. The Switch Lite doesn't show up on FCC yet so you never know.
I guess my issue is what is the difference between this "enhanced Switch" and a theoretical "pro" Switch?
They would probably have to specifically indicate they changed the RAM just like they did for the NAND flash memory.
So these are tests for the radiation emitting parts, aka the various Bluetooth and wifi chips and whatnot. But not things like the SoC or RAM. Since they submitted new tests with these parts does that suggest they're using updated parts? Or do they need to include tests like this every time they change any part of the device such as the SoC?
Sorry I mean test unit as in for software developers, QA etc. those units still go through the FCC.For them to even bother to file an FCC request wouldn't this presumably be a product that they plan to sell in the US?
If that's true I can live with it and will buy itThis model is closer to what the new 3DS was to the 3DS and not the PS4 Pro to the PS4. It's a replacement more than an extra 'enthusiast' model.
By Pro I was hypothetically referring to a Switch with either notable performance boost and/or new hardware functionality features that the OG Switch lacks. Not in the sense of PS4 Pro/X1X, comparisons to XBO S/New 3DS are closer to what I was thinking.
Based on the details for this one in the OP, it sounds more like a refresh of the original model that despite the hardware changes is still identical to the original in functionality (the so-called "stealth revision").
Like I said though, I'm getting to the point where I'll likely just pick up whatever standard Switch is available over the next few months. So what the new Switch is at this doesn't really matter much to me as of now.
But if they are changing from LPDDR4 to LPDDR4X isn't their already a confirmed change in RAM?
IDK just throwing things out there
Ah, I think the bolded is the problem, in that this isn't what the OP is indicating. The device in the OP supposedly runs with higher GPU clocks than the current Switch, aka there is a performance upgrade. On top of that it uses more efficient RAM, another performance upgrade. It might have more battery life too. And it probably has more storage (64GB).
Emily said this is going to launch in at least two new colors so it's not going to be a stealth revision. She expects it to be actually announced by early August.
A XBOX 360 with 512MB Memory had Voice Chat. It's not like it is impossible on the Switch.Yea I was sorta guessing they would overhaul it. So the "enhanced features for gamers" would probably include things like voice chat and parties and stuff so you would need more memory
A better comparison is that 360 had like 20mb reserved for os, while switch has 750.A XBOX 360 with 512MB Memory had Voice Chat. It's not like it is impossible on the Switch.
from the twitter thing
- Original T210 hardware line had 2 form factors: nx-abca2 (retail and EDEV) and nx-abcb (SDEV);
- New T214 hardware line has 3 form factors: nx-abca2, nx-abcb and nx-abcc (these 3 forms exist for *both* Lite and "New");
what is the 3rd form factor then if both lite and "new" have
nx-abca2 is retail and edev
nx-abcb is SDEV
nx-abcc is ????
the great mystery
That... actually makes a ton of sense.So, why change the DevKit to 8GB from 6GB?
The current Switch uses 2x 2GB Samsung memory modules. The Dev Kits, obviously, had 3x. So Nintendo was able to just focus on buying 2GB modules and maximized their volume discount.
My bet is they've switched the Lite and the "new" revised Switch to use 1x 4GB module. With density increases etc, the prices on modules drop over time, so it's probably now cheaper than 2 smaller modules. That leaves them with either: continuing to buy a vastly reduced amount of 2GB modules for the additional DevKit RAM, but now they're paying a lot more per 2GB module because they build a lot of DevKits, OR just buy a ton of 4GB modules, maximize their volume discount, put 1 in consumer Switches & 2 in the DevKits. No dev ever complained about more RAM anyways.
You could just buy one and play the games until there's a game that won't play on the console you have, and then upgrade. I sincerely doubt that they'll have any games that won't run on the current Switch for at least a couple more years.So will this be announced or released anytime soon? Will there ever be a safe time to buy this console?
The TX1 only supports a 64bit memory bus. There won't be 3x chips. It will have been 2x3GB.So, why change the DevKit to 8GB from 6GB?
The current Switch uses 2x 2GB Samsung memory modules. The Dev Kits, obviously, had 3x. So Nintendo was able to just focus on buying 2GB modules and maximized their volume discount.
My bet is they've switched the Lite and the "new" revised Switch to use 1x 4GB module. With density increases etc, the prices on modules drop over time, so it's probably now cheaper than 2 smaller modules. That leaves them with either: continuing to buy a vastly reduced amount of 2GB modules for the additional DevKit RAM, but now they're paying a lot more per 2GB module because they build a lot of DevKits, OR just buy a ton of 4GB modules, maximize their volume discount, put 1 in consumer Switches & 2 in the DevKits. No dev ever complained about more RAM anyways.
No one knows apart from NintendoSo will this be announced or released anytime soon? Will there ever be a safe time to buy this console?
So will this be announced or released anytime soon? Will there ever be a safe time to buy this console?
Great avatar, love NOU350 is more than I'd pay to play Switch exclusives, unless they did some magic on the hardware side and at least matched Xbox One graphics. I don't think that's possible right now. I think 200 for the Lite is a great price, and I would've paid 250 if it did TV out.
But... if Switch had a good Stadia client it might push me over the edge.
Devkits?from the twitter thing
- Original T210 hardware line had 2 form factors: nx-abca2 (retail and EDEV) and nx-abcb (SDEV);
- New T214 hardware line has 3 form factors: nx-abca2, nx-abcb and nx-abcc (these 3 forms exist for *both* Lite and "New");
what is the 3rd form factor then if both lite and "new" have
nx-abca2 is retail and edev
nx-abcb is SDEV
nx-abcc is ????
the great mystery
Unless the one 4 gb ddrx they use has twice the bandwidth?The TX1 only supports a 64bit memory bus. There won't be 3x chips. It will have been 2x3GB.
If you cut down to 1x4GB chips, you're only using a 32bit memory bus. You end up cutting your memory bandwidth in half.
I think it's it a little better than the Xbox S comparison, more like in between a S and X when it comes to Nintendo standardsThis new sku is essentially an Xbox One S revision. A modest boost to clock speeds that will replace the standard switch, but not significant enough to require patches of games and having enhanced modes for the games.
The One S needed the extra power to upscale games to 4k and display HDR, the unintentional benefit of that was games with dynamic resolutions and variable framerates dropped less. But no dev configurations were used to take advantage of the S's boosts.
I imagine the New Switch (which I call XL because it follows the DS naming conventions, OG, lite, XL) won't have "XL Enhanced" ports. Just all the games that are dynamic resolution are gonna hit closer to 720p undocked and 900p or 1080p docked. And framerates stay 30fps or 60fps more consistently.
Was there clockspeed leaks and/or CUDA core leaks yet or is this an assumption?I think it's it a little better than the Xbox s comparison, more like in between a S and X when it comes to Nintendo standards
Xbox s gpu was improved by 7% this new switch gpu is closer to 35-50% increase
I don't know why but people just seem to want to downplay it as much as possible. I mean no one knows for sure and maybe people don't want to get their hopes up. I just don't believe especially with this info that they will put in new more efficient chip just for 1-2 hours of improved battery life.I think it's it a little better than the Xbox s comparison, more like in between a S and X when it comes to Nintendo standards
Xbox s gpu was improved by 7% this new switch gpu is closer to 35-50% increase in efficiency or power which ever they choose
This new sku is essentially an Xbox One S revision. A modest boost to clock speeds that will replace the standard switch, but not significant enough to require patches of games and having enhanced modes for the games.
The One S needed the extra power to upscale games to 4k and display HDR, the unintentional benefit of that was games with dynamic resolutions and variable framerates dropped less. But no dev configurations were used to take advantage of the S's boosts.
I imagine the New Switch (which I call XL because it follows the DS naming conventions, OG, lite, XL) won't have "XL Enhanced" ports. Just all the games that are dynamic resolution are gonna hit closer to 720p undocked and 900p or 1080p docked. And framerates stay 30fps or 60fps more consistently.