I believe they will announce Cross-play alongside PS5. Maybe not the most sensical thing, and I hope the crowd doesnt cheer for something that should have happened years earlier, but I do believe it will be a PS5 announcement.
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Dev on Sony’s Crossplay Stance: ‘Families Want to Play Together and Nobody Owns Four PlayStations’
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So, PC, Mac and mobile devices doesn't count for crossplay, only X1 and Switch matters. Gotcha
I just want Borderlands 3 to have PS4 to PC crossplay. Would really suck if not. I may even give the game a pass in that case.
Crossplay has been super convenient, so we're done with Sony until they get it together in that front personally.
I actually have 4 PS4s. Well I have 3 kids (grown ass teenagers now), and they have their own PS4s too. It would be nice if crossplay would work to the point that one of us could get a XB1 (to play their exclusives), and still play with the other 3 online. That said it will not be factor when we pick out next console (if Sony doesn't support it, crossplay is almost useless to us). Exclusives, hardware specs, and price point will be what drives us to a MS or Sony console next time as a group. We switched to the 360 (I think we ended up with 8-10 due to red rings and other issues), and switched to PS4 as a group due to the price, Naughty Dog, and the fact the 360s kept breaking on us. That said I would not surprised if we switched back to MS if the price is right. I have peaked on Naught Dog games (still dying for LOU 2), and that PS download speed is still shit. Still price vs. value will be the main factor.
ok, good job sony for making cross play possible with mobile/pc/mac
now allow it for xbo and switch as well
is that better?
Please see the quote posted below and rethink if your stance is pro-consumer or pro-billionaire company.
We literally have devs on record saying it's more work to actually restrict platforms which only is happening due to Sony. I don't know why you're trying to argue this weird angle.
At best this is a scenario people are apathetic about. There are literally zero reasons to be against it.
Can you back this up with anything that isn't anecdotal evidence
I want crossplay solely to play Apex Legends with a friend that owns an X1. At this point, I just want it to happen.
Same. I want to play with my friends but they are all on PC...
Get off your Sony high horse. First, yes those others count for crossplay. Which begs the question, if Sony can do it for them why not for Switch + Xbox? Second, you talk about a huge majority not wanting crossplay, can I get some receipts for that? Or are you conflating those that don't care with those that don't want it? Even then it makes it sound like you don't want a company to cater for minorities...
Surely millions and millions of people ditched their PS4s and bought Switch or X1 for crossplay
The reason the splitscreen argument doesn't really apply, is because incorporating splitscreen is something that has significant restrictions (and not just graphical). The way games are made both in terms of graphical fidelity, along with streamed assets etc means that rendering out two or more unique points of view (and having one machine handle all interactions of each by itself) would regularly require the game itself to be simpler in scope, even when played solo.
Crossplay on the other hand is effectively a toggle. Nobody's losing anything by its existence, whereas I imagine if many people saw a parallel universe version of some games where the concessions for splitscreen were taken, they'd opt against it in many cases.
no one said anything like that, stop with the bad faith arguments.
They are selectively doing it. So no they are not doing it.
The vast majority have no idea it's possible to play with their friends on other consoles. Unless you're a hardcore console warrior, no reasonable person would say no to wanting that.
You think these conversations haven't happened?
Friend 1: "I just got division 2!!"
Friend 2: "so did I what system you get it on?"
Friend 1: "Xbox"
Friend 2: "oh damn PS4 😞"
You telling me those people wouldn't want cross play. People with friends would want crossplay if they knew it was a possibility. Shit you know what it would do for the life of games?
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Yeah, stop living in ERA bubble and you'll see that vast majority don't care about crossplay. It's so pathetic that some people here accusing others for "corporate defender" just because they said they don't care about crossplay
Again, receipts?
And if many don't care, what's the problem with having it for those that do want it?
this is the biggest thing. a game like division 2 will be fine for years, even if it sucks that you can't play with your friends on other platforms you won't run out of randoms to play with. but for smaller games (indies, smaller fighting games, etc) cross play would be a godsend cuz the online population drops quick but if all platforms are pooled together that can massively increase the life of the game.
that doesn't mean it shouldn't happen. ok the majority doesn't care, so what? enable it for the minority that does care and does want it.
A select few. Even if Sony doesn't want crossplay between consoles, fighting games should still allow crossplay between PC and Consoles.
Netherrelm Studio games run on server that requires a WB account. Nothing really stopping it from having crossplay.
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This Cross Play begging is tiresome. I wish it was a ban-able offense here like port begging. Whats obvious is that consumers want it. Why wouldn't they? But whats not so obvious is that like exclusive games, a walled platform is super effective in selling hardware especially if you are the leading box console. Why do you think PS4 ran away with it??? We all can hate on it, but whoever has the lead has always done it, since the beginning of online games. Microsoft isn't a righteous pro-consumer advocate. They haven't changed. They just don't have the lead so that strategy doesn't work in their favor. They want you to buy an Xbox and still have your friends to play with, which most of them are probably on PS4.
I wish Sony would fully open the cross play gates, but I also understand they are a business and that it would be bad for business for them right now.
I wish Sony would fully open the cross play gates, but I also understand they are a business and that it would be bad for business for them right now.
With Division having a multiple tier end game content with no way to go back and do pre-level 30 missions or garuntee that people struggling to get their footing in the first 10 level have a fun experience..
The user base would be somewhat fragmented. I still think crossplay would help those entry level people.
Like i said, surely millions and millions of people ditched their PS4s and bought Switch or X1 for crossplay or maybe PS4 MAU reduced rapidly. IIRC from last report, MAU on PS4 grew, right.
Good, you want crossplay. That's great. But maybe you should accept that vast majority don't care.
Not really an era bubble. As of now, my son has grown up playing stuff like Minecraft and fortnite between switch, mobile, Xbox etc. You're free to believe whatever you like, but crossplay is handy and is going to eventually become the norm. Didn't get rid of my pro for that reason, but it was a factor in why I chose to go back to a one x instead when I had the option.
If your argument just boils down to generalized statements like Era bubble this or people don't care that, you're not really saying anything of value imo.
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People can care about wanting crossplay without ditching their PS4's... I have a Pro and it would be nice to play with friends who have an X1. There's also the added side-effect of cross-progression which is huge for people like myself who have a Pro and a Switch.
Again you are still not showing receipts and you again are not answering the question I posed after about if the majority do not care then what is the issue of having crossplay for those that do care?
i'm not sure if ubi asked it sony would say no, i don't think they want to say no to the big boys, so the pressure should also be put on big publishers (ea, ubi, activision) to work on it.
This is a stupid argument to make. You could care a LOT about crossplay, and not ditch your PlayStation for say an Xbox simply because crossplay is a two-way street, and so you'd still end up with the same problem on the other side.
You keep going on about how many people "don't care", but those people are irrelevant because they're also fine with crossplay being included. There are however drastically more people that do care and want crossplay than there are people that do care and actively don't want crossplay. So the argument against crossplay actually serves the smallest segment of users.
You couldn't be more wrong, Xbox doesn't care if you buy the Xbox at this point, as long as you use their services. As long as you have a entry point they are happy. The whole next gen is being aimed at "play anywhere" with them.
Fun Fact, out of all my friends I'm the only one with a PS4, everyone else has Xbox, luckily I have one as well. But with what Xbox has planned next gen two of them will just move to PC. The box is just the gateway to the product.
Console Wars will no longer be won by "systems sold"
It will be won by attachment to services and revenue from that.
It's still a thing though, yoshi p has been fighting for both cross play on xbox and switch. Though if the supposed leaked Brazil retail rating of shadowbringers is true we might finally get it.
I think it's quite the opposite in fact, the casual player would absolutely love crossplay, you just don't see them discuss the issue. I lost count of how many times I heard children say "How cool would it be if we could play together?" before Fortnite became full xplay. Even now people would love to see the feature implemented with every game.
It isn't. PS4 sales, MAUs ( or PS+ subs ) should be reduced greatly if Sony crossplay stance has an effect.
i'm done, you're just repeating the same things over and over without reading people's replies and answers to your arguments.
I love that the first page was weirdly disjointed with a bunch of people replying to posts i couldn't see. Then i realised that i have a grand total of one person on my Ignore list, only put there because they were being a massive arsehole in another thread. Judging by the fact he's got a nice little ban it's reassuring to know i wasn't wrong in that judgement.
On topic: The subject has been done to death a bit and Sony isn't budging it seems other than the token "Fuck we can't piss Epic off because we want a cut of that Fortnite money" gesture. Because it seems that the horse has very much bolted from the stable in terms of crossplay on all devices except Playstation i predict one of two things will happen: They might announce full crossplay coming to Playstation 5 as some sort of incredible revolutionary new feature and use it as a marketing ploy which, while annoying, is at least something i can get behind because they'll never be able to go back on that without Microsoft XB1 reveal levels of pushback. It doesn't do much for the unlucky games of this gen that need crossplay but we're on the verge of a console gen transition so it's not a huge blow.
Alternatively Sony double down and stick their head in the sand going "la la la we're doing a beta la la la we have to think of the children" or whatever other bullshit excuse they come out with and they continue their policy of only allowing crossplay on the barest minimum of titles that is feasible for them to get away with. Which won't do much to damage Sony in the short term and i would guess that the PS5 will still sell well because the Playstation is still so powerful in terms of market share but it will be something that gradually chips away at the brand over the entire console generation. They will continue to look foolish and out of touch and the closer we move to a device agnostic and potential streaming future the less relevant they will be until they do a Dreamcast and release a console that despite probably having great games will be of interest to very few people.
On topic: The subject has been done to death a bit and Sony isn't budging it seems other than the token "Fuck we can't piss Epic off because we want a cut of that Fortnite money" gesture. Because it seems that the horse has very much bolted from the stable in terms of crossplay on all devices except Playstation i predict one of two things will happen: They might announce full crossplay coming to Playstation 5 as some sort of incredible revolutionary new feature and use it as a marketing ploy which, while annoying, is at least something i can get behind because they'll never be able to go back on that without Microsoft XB1 reveal levels of pushback. It doesn't do much for the unlucky games of this gen that need crossplay but we're on the verge of a console gen transition so it's not a huge blow.
Alternatively Sony double down and stick their head in the sand going "la la la we're doing a beta la la la we have to think of the children" or whatever other bullshit excuse they come out with and they continue their policy of only allowing crossplay on the barest minimum of titles that is feasible for them to get away with. Which won't do much to damage Sony in the short term and i would guess that the PS5 will still sell well because the Playstation is still so powerful in terms of market share but it will be something that gradually chips away at the brand over the entire console generation. They will continue to look foolish and out of touch and the closer we move to a device agnostic and potential streaming future the less relevant they will be until they do a Dreamcast and release a console that despite probably having great games will be of interest to very few people.
I think to consider whether this guy has a point I'd want to know
1) What percentage of households have 4 devices
2) What percentage of that percentage has screens for each device (as most multiconsole owners surely hook multiple consoles up to one display)
3) what percentage of that percentage (from 2) has 4 gamers in one house.
Of course it would be cool to let more people more easily use these kinds of setups but the idea of having 4 devices each with a display is cost prohibitive regardless of whether every platform allows cross play. Is it a realistic goal worth pursuing for a profit-driven business or is it a tech guy's fantasy?
1) What percentage of households have 4 devices
2) What percentage of that percentage has screens for each device (as most multiconsole owners surely hook multiple consoles up to one display)
3) what percentage of that percentage (from 2) has 4 gamers in one house.
Of course it would be cool to let more people more easily use these kinds of setups but the idea of having 4 devices each with a display is cost prohibitive regardless of whether every platform allows cross play. Is it a realistic goal worth pursuing for a profit-driven business or is it a tech guy's fantasy?
In which world is "I don't care" a compelling argument?
I barely play online games. I still see how cool it would be if crossplay was commonplace.
From what i understand, implementing crossplay has zero implications for devs and Epic has a platform that's free to use for devs even.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/12/12/...e-cross-platform-tools-fortnite-unreal-engine
Split screen on the other hand does cause additional work for devs and has implications on performance.
You can say that about most things. Should we stop giving a shit about God of War because the vast majority didn't play it on PS4?
It's amazing how Microsoft flipped the script on the cross play conversation. I think things will naturally play out and we will have cross play on most if not all games on consoles during some point of the next generation. Especially now with things like Xcloud, Stadia and advancements in PSNow it just makes sense.
There is a difference between not personally caring about crossplay vs actively defending Sony's business interests vs having more options.
Not saying this is you, but there is more to the discussion than you are portraying
So, most people here are for cross play it seems. And Sony aren't making a big effort to allow it, but Xbox and Nintendo are ok with it.
My questions then, are why aren't developers using it? Why do they get a let here when they can quite clearly put it in their games?
My questions then, are why aren't developers using it? Why do they get a let here when they can quite clearly put it in their games?
The reality is, this will happen. At some point we won't even argue this topic as crossplay will just be a normal and expected thing. Kind of like high definition television. It comes in different flavors and some care more than others about what they get.
SD = Old School
HD = 720p
Full HD = 1080p
Ultra HD = 4K
Walled Network: Old School
Crossplay: Single Game Console, PC
Full Crossplay: Single Game Console, PC, iOS and Android
Ultra Crossplay: All Consoles, PC, iOS and Android
SD = Old School
HD = 720p
Full HD = 1080p
Ultra HD = 4K
Walled Network: Old School
Crossplay: Single Game Console, PC
Full Crossplay: Single Game Console, PC, iOS and Android
Ultra Crossplay: All Consoles, PC, iOS and Android