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When I get to DMC3 I'll probably just stick to Agni & Rudra and Cerberus.
How humiliating is it to fight a boss with his own weapon? For example beat Cerberus with Cerberus when you meet him again later?
but Dante looks older every time, yet Lady and Trish look younger now o.O
I think Trish works, but Lady has ridicilous genes. Dante is fine, but not average. I know a lot of people around 40, he's not especially good looking (just regarding the age.). And that they changed his hair from shiny white to dull grey isn't in his favour and not something his age would explain.
I forgot where I read this, but hybrids supposedly age at the same rate as normal humans. I don't know how solid that info is at this point.
I know that too, but can't recall it either. :/
But obviously the longer life span is inherited recessively. ;D

Edit: It's stated in the novel of DMC4. Slipped my mind while trying to fall asleep yesterday. XD
 
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God, I am waiting with bated breath for a gameplay teaser for V, the stuff that's been alluded to, with him playing keep away using spells and summoning demons INSIDE your enemies, it's got me excited to see how differently he'll feel to Dante and Nero!

And speaking of Nero, I'm actually really appreciative that they are capitalizing on the "Casino" theming they gave Nero's moves in 4 with his Devil Breaker system in 5. His solid and versatile base move set is essentially his "Safe Bet," while the real gamble comes from the Breakers and both how you both have to deal with the hand you're dealt as you have limited control over which breaker you have loaded up, and you can go All-In by spending the whole breaker in a super powerful, but easily interruptable attack.

He has a really good system for risk and situation management that seems like both a great ladder for skill, and an absolute beauty to play and watch in action!
 

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Played the updated Nero demo at a con yesterday. Waited in line for 3 hours to play 10 minutes. I wouldn't do it again because of my scoliosis, but if not for that I'd definitely do it again, lol. Playing with an Xbox controller felt weird as fuck and the shoulder and trigger buttons were wack. Took some time adjusting to them at the start but, but I really enjoyed playing the demo. Punch Line and Gerbera are great, and the mobility the latter gives you feels like a must for fighting Goliath. At least at my low skill level.

I have a small issue with the Blue Rose, though. Charging it fills it up, but then letting go fires off a shot. Is that intentional? I'd like to be able to load up three shots without having to fire one off immediately. It's not much of an issue, just a tiny one since charging is quick and easy, but still.

Split being back + sword attack didn't feel nearly as weird as I expected. If anything, it actually felt pretty natural. Since it and Double Down are downward sword attacks, the imagery kinda matches in my mind too. That helps. I don't think I managed to try the forward sword attack in the air, though... and I'm pretty sure I was doing Calibur with back + forward. Though I suppose that could have registered as forward + sword attack. Ehh.
 
When was it build? Does it have a plaquette "This is Sparda - father of twin sons"? The anime is weird from time to time anyway. It seems to ignore Vergil ever existed e.g. regarding the Tony Redgrave episode. In the Intro of DMC3 Lady states how much of a myth / fairy tale Sparda is. And in 1 Dante says to Trish, she's the first to know abot his revenge. That's what gives me the feeling, it's not easy to know.
Why would the statue need to have a plaque? That has nothing to do with how demons would know of Dante and Vergil. And the Tony Redgrave episode is very weird, but there was nothing ever saying that the woman he lived with during that time was Eva. For all we know, it was actually Nell Goldstein.
Lady's thoughts on Sparda means nothing, because she isn't interested in demons.
And Dante saying Trish is the first to know about his revenge is simply because he never told anybody about Mundus.
Of course that won't work. He's the son, end of story. That are just my ideas, what they could have done instead, but the whole thing is down the river.
Your ideas wouldn't make much sense in my opinion. A son of Spada is hard to kill, if there were others, surely we would have heard of them.
 
And the Tony Redgrave episode is very weird, but there was nothing ever saying that the woman he lived with during that time was Eva. For all we know, it was actually Nell Goldstein.
Nell?! Gosh, my mind is blown, suddenly there seems to be sense there. o.O
So, it was never meant to be the attack on Eva and her sons, it was after that, Dante living alone with Nell with just a veeeery similar attack, huh?
Poor boy to experience the same fate two times in a row.
Can't say I'd applaud that, but at least it explains why Vergil isn't mentioned. But that's a fan theory, right? Or were there hints in the episode about Nell? I've seen the anime more often than it would deserve it and have always trouble remembering its details. Well already had the plan to rewatch it once again, so....
P.S.: Okay, checked a short summary to be sure and I'm starting to like that thought; she didn't die, just moved away with Dante. So that would lead to the Light Novel stuff then. The attack is said to have happened 20 years ago, so it must have been close to the attack on Eva, cause that was 20 years ago already in DMC1 and the anime shouldn't been to far away from that. I was too focused on seeing Eva there.
And Dante saying Trish is the first to know about his revenge is simply because he never told anybody about Mundus.
Funny thing while we're at it: Recently watched the Cutscenes of DMC1 again and actually he doesn't know Mundus's name. He knows they were attacked by demons and that someone must have been behind that, but Trish is the one who tells him the details. And after Dante witnessed how Mundus kills Griffon, he says to be sure that it was Mundus, who killed his mother. Convinced by Mundus's bad actions, it seems
Your ideas wouldn't make much sense in my opinion. A son of Spada is hard to kill, if there were others, surely we would have heard of them.
Awwww. D:
Well it was just Plan C anyway. ^^
 
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Sesha

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If Dante's getting more weapons, say 1-2 more of each, what are people's expectations/hopes/wishes?

I expect at least some sort of mid-to-long range polearm like a spear for melee, and a fire arm that's energy or element-based.
 

Chaos2Frozen

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If Dante's getting more weapons, say 1-2 more of each, what are people's expectations/hopes/wishes?

I expect at least some sort of mid-to-long range polearm like a spear for melee, and a fire arm that's energy or element-based.

An ice weapon definitely, to balance out the current three elements. Cerberus doesn't count because it can have all three elements.

Funny enough, Nero also doesn't have an ice breaker.
 

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Okay wow, Dante immediately feels so much better to play in DMC3 right off the bat. Might have something to do with me still fresh from just completing DMC1 but he feels more... tighter to control?
The Hell Sins also feel more satisfying to beat it, and the style ranking is now how I remembered it to be
I even defeated Cerberus on the second try
 
So... any good theories out there how Agnus got hold of Yamato? Melee island sank, didn't it? And how would he know how to look for it in the first place? I remember hearing somewhere he even experimented with shards of Nelo Angelo, but couldn't find that again in the game or novel summary.
When did Dante find out about Yamato? At first he's just there cause Lady wanted him to. Trish goes ahead, offering Sparda (I like to assume that was really her plan from the beginning, after Lady mentioned the order collects Devil Arms. Just a nice coincidence that they needed it for the savior.) to get into the circle - how long was she there until Dante arrives? Why does he kill Sanctus first and then take a stroll around the city reading books, wouldn't it have been better the other way round? His encounter with Nero in the forest/jungle seems pretty redundant as well. Did he do there something helpful at that point? And suddenly he starts to claim Yamato.
Don't want to put salt into old wounds but I would love to make some sense out of this before 5 and I'm failing again and again. I'm closing one hole, another pops up. After years in my little DMC bubble I hope for some smart input.
 

Samemind

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I embraced DMD last night. Every enemy getting access to DT is scary af. So far I just got past Agnus' dumb chamber fight. I've got a hunch that that fight in particular is outrageously more challenging than any other real boss fight on DMD. It's like every little decision matters if you don't want to get destroyed.

edit: omg, what the hell does this fight even look like on LDK
 

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So... any good theories out there how Agnus got hold of Yamato? Melee island sank, didn't it? And how would he know how to look for it in the first place? I remember hearing somewhere he even experimented with shards of Nelo Angelo, but couldn't find that again in the game or novel summary.
When did Dante find out about Yamato? At first he's just there cause Lady wanted him to. Trish goes ahead, offering Sparda (I like to assume that was really her plan from the beginning, after Lady mentioned the order collects Devil Arms. Just a nice coincidence that they needed it for the savior.) to get into the circle - how long was she there until Dante arrives? Why does he kill Sanctus first and then take a stroll around the city reading books, wouldn't it have been better the other way round? His encounter with Nero in the forest/jungle seems pretty redundant as well. Did he do there something helpful at that point? And suddenly he starts to claim Yamato.
Don't want to put salt into old wounds but I would love to make some sense out of this before 5 and I'm failing again and again. I'm closing one hole, another pops up. After years in my little DMC bubble I hope for some smart input.

The dmc4 novel makes reference to the order scouring mallet island and finding shards of nelos armour
Not only that, but it's stated in the game that the Order has been searching for and collecting Devil Arms. Something I assume Nero didn't know about. I wouldn't be surprised if they found Yamato somewhere. Plus doesn't the game or the art book refer to the Angelos being powered by pieces of Nelo Angelo? Or am I wrong on that?
 

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Which is the best console version of Devil May Cry HD collection to buy? Is the PS3 version better than the PS4/Xbox One versions?
 
Plus doesn't the game or the art book refer to the Angelos being powered by pieces of Nelo Angelo? Or am I wrong on that?
At least not in the game. (Or I am even more dense than I know.)

Well, my point is a bit more that the island crumbled at the end. So to find anything there at all seems pretty unlikely. But you can assume that they did a lot of research and where somehow able to get to know about it and found something there. Though it seems a bit iffy, cause how to know about that little unknown island in some ocean somewhere.
I think it's a bit amusing how uninformed both Dante and Vergil seem compared to everyone around them. So Dante just doesn't give a fuck (although it may could have helped him with his revenge) and Vergil did care but wasn't too good at it, it seems. ^^
And this Gloria/Trish thing is also a bit strange. Sanctus says he checked her backround a while ago already, and later he recognizes her in her true form at once as Gloria. Did he just play dumb or didn't he care or what?

For now I'm going with the order knowing all that and finding those stuff there in the ruins. Trish heads over with Sparda as a gift, cause they collect devil arms, and gets to know things bit by bit. She reports to Dante, who then follows her. (Lets just ignore that they never talk about a plan in the office, when she leaves silently.) He murders Sanctus during the service, cause he can be easily approched there in the open instead of somewhere deep in the order's lair. Then strolls around the city to look for everything and nothing. Because.
Trish is present when Agnus tells Sanctus about Yamato, so off camera she meets Dante and tells him about that. (She changes her costume before so that he can still be surprised to see her as Gloria later.) Maybe he even found Agnus's laboratory, but after Nero already rampaged there and then confronts him about Yamato.
Something like that.

I'm really curious about what DMC5 will pick up from 4. With Nico being Agnus's daughter and Nero showing her old documents of the order. Maybe even the "previous on DMC" feature it will have gives us some new info. Maybe they even try to give us a good explanation on Nero's conception. (But I wouldn't dare to bet money on that.)
 

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Which is the best console version of Devil May Cry HD collection to buy? Is the PS3 version better than the PS4/Xbox One versions?

DMC1 - PS360
DMC2 - PS4/X1
DMC3 - PS4/X1

The current gen versions feature higher resolutions over the last gen ones, and maybe slightly better performance. DMC3 on PS4/X1 fixes glitches that were in the last gen versions. The current gen version of DMC1 has tons of graphical glitches, missing effects, sound glitches and botched sound effects. If you haven't played 1 before, you probably won't notice, although imo it's gonna give you a subtly worse impression than other versions. DMC2 has no major or minor issues in any version.
 
Devil May Cry 4, Lesser Demons File — Bianco Angelo: "A man-made soldier made from the fragment of a demon known as the "dark angel". Filled with either a human or demonic soul, it carries out its master's orders with mechanical precision."
Boing. Owned a second time. Something in me is slowly dying. D:
Why can't Agnus say so in the game? No need to make it more complicated than it already is. .__.
 

Samemind

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Cleared DMD, finally. Biggest roadblock was definitely mission 17. The huge street brawl was just unbelievably brutal, I can't play Dante as near to full potential as Nero. Doing a victory lap on Heaven or Hell with the super characters was real cathartic.
 

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Boing. Owned a second time. Something in me is slowly dying. D:
Why can't Agnus say so in the game? No need to make it more complicated than it already is. .__.
I've always gotten the strong sense that DMC4 had a fair amount of core mythos stuff stripped out of its story (perhaps in an attempt to make it less intimidating to new players), much if it likely related to Vergil; that's why the story it *has* is kind of whatever (like, the threat posed by the Order is so not-actually-a-big-deal that Trish and Dante basically intentionally help them start their apocalypse in order to flush Nero and Yamato out).

DMC5 is probably gonna be the first game in the series since DMC2 that is pretty unabashed about being a sequel and not a reboot in any shape or form.
 
I've always gotten the strong sense that DMC4 had a fair amount of core mythos stuff stripped out of its story
That's actually a fact. "We didn't have the time and the money" as they say. Some of the things were put into the novel. But if one's honest, that's not a good read either. It does close some holes yes, but doesn't improve the story itself.
Other stuff is - apparently - just put into some ingame descriptions. (Dark Souls eat your heart out!)
And one could say, this is a sad tradition in the series.
DMC1 confuses with Dante nearly not reacting to the death of his brother at all, but can't hold his horses regarding Trish. (Sure, it was like losing his mother again n stuff, but the balance is very off.) Again: We didn't have the time etc.
DMC2 has the most lame Dante. Team changed, we didn't have... You name it.
DMC3 is wonderful in many ways, but the story is very confusing if you just start the game. What's wrong between the brothers? What's with this year that has passed between their last meeting? What happend there? You need the manga here, but like the novel of DMC4, the manga's also not very helpful. (To top it off: It was meant to have 3 volumes, but the last one was cancelled.)
I know I'm always sounding like a whiny bitch (there is a reason why I stated grumbler as my occupation) but the thing is, that I'm madly in love with those twins and think the story has so much potential. (That's why I was actually interested in seeing what Ninja Theory can do with it, I even liked Heavenly Sword a lot.)
I am a creative person and love to work with stuff I like and write my own lore. If you start to look deeper into it, you come across even more flaws one would normally just ignore. It just frustrates me.
 
That's actually a fact. "We didn't have the time and the money" as they say. Some of the things were put into the novel. But if one's honest, that's not a good read either. It does close some holes yes, but doesn't improve the story itself.
Other stuff is - apparently - just put into some ingame descriptions. (Dark Souls eat your heart out!)
And one could say, this is a sad tradition in the series.
DMC1 confuses with Dante nearly not reacting to the death of his brother at all, but can't hold his horses regarding Trish. (Sure, it was like losing his mother again n stuff, but the balance is very off.) Again: We didn't have the time etc.
DMC2 has the most lame Dante. Team changed, we didn't have... You name it.
DMC3 is wonderful in many ways, but the story is very confusing if you just start the game. What's wrong between the brothers? What's with this year that has passed between their last meeting? What happend there? You need the manga here, but like the novel of DMC4, the manga's also not very helpful. (To top it off: It was meant to have 3 volumes, but the last one was cancelled.)
I know I'm always sounding like a whiny bitch (there is a reason why I stated grumbler as my occupation) but the thing is, that I'm madly in love with those twins and think the story has so much potential. (That's why I was actually interested in seeing what Ninja Theory can do with it, I even liked Heavenly Sword a lot.)
I am a creative person and love to work with stuff I like and write my own lore. If you start to look deeper into it, you come across even more flaws one would normally just ignore. It just frustrates me.
Well, the thing about DMC is that it doesn't take itself too seriously. So while it does have it's lore, at it's core it's all about being over the top and stylish.

I know how you feel. There's a lot of plot holes and missed opportunities in my favorite franchises.
 

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So I'm playing DMC4SE right now and I have a question



Btw, I also just beat DmC Definitive and I did not like it. I would make an LTTP thread but it's mostly negative so I'd rather not. It's got cool stuff but the problems I had with that game, however minor, kept creeping back up and by the end of the game I just wanted to stop. I hate the weapon switching in it. I'd rather just keep one moveset at one time instead of having to hold L2 or R2. Plus, it's awkward to do with manual lock on. Why they opted to put launcher on Circle is beyond me. I know colored enemies were changed in the Definitive edition but it still sucks. It's not like an enemy with a shield where anything works just as long as you get past the shield. You HAVE to use the Angel/Devil weapons on them. I'm sure it's better than Vanilla but I still don't like it. Also the story is terrible. That game reminds me of Suicide Squad Joker. Instead of being subtle and clever about it's themes, WRITE THE WORDS ON THE WALLS TO TELL YOU WHAT THEY'RE GOING FOR.

I know I don't post here often, but I do love DMC and I'm super hyped for 5.

Edit: I think i got it. I did a trick, rapid slash before the teleport, and then the teleport cancelled it.
 
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I like the deluxe edition boxart for DMC5, but damn they want 20 bucks for nothin.
Its 10 bucks more and it has a bunch of noteworthy stuff. Like soundtracks from previous DMC games, Style announcers, color costumes and special Devil Breakers, couple of which are particularly noteworthy.
 

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I'm going to say one good thing about DmC for the first time- I honestly like the entire scene when Phineas told Donte about Lilith and the child, presenting him with an option that he genuinely looks conflicted on.
 
But how did he know of all people? That always bugged me. He's imprisoned there for years, it's already a huge coincedence, that he meets Donte at all. How did he come to know what seems to be such a big secret?
Phineas somewhat pops out of nowhere dealing high sensitive knowledge. How pretty convenient.

My favourite moment is when Kat gets arrested and Donte tells her how to act. Gave me goosebumps. It lets you imagine what Donte may have experienced himself in the past, how practiced he seems.
 

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But how did he know of all people? That always bugged me. He's imprisoned there for years, it's already a huge coincedence, that he meets Donte at all. How did he come to know what seems to be such a big secret?
Phineas somewhat pops out of nowhere dealing high sensitive knowledge. How pretty convenient.
IIRC, he had seen it in one of his prophetic visions.
 

Kinsei

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Jumping into a fresh save in DMC3 is rough. I keep trying to drive, air trick, sword thrust, dance macabre, and so on.
 

Zimmiwood

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not sure why i didnt do this much sooner but could one get an invite to the discord pls? cheers
 

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Can you get 3 bars with a perfectly timed EX-Act on DMCV, or is it just 1?
I could only manage 1, and I noticed you can only got up to 2 max. I'm guessing the demo has locked out the ability to get 3 EX and instant 3 EX, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, playing DMC4SE again and continuing my Lady/Trish playthrough. Lady is kinda of odd to use because she's more gun combat focused, and I'm either not very good with her or she's just a slow and clunky fighter to use. I'm hoping in DMCV if she is playable, that she has more of a faster melee style.
 

bunkitz

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Anyone else have that issue with the Blue Rose's charged shot where Nero automatically unloads one after you release the button? I had this issue when I played the second (I believe? the one with Punch Line and Buster Arm) demo at a con and now with the Xbox demo too. Is it supposed to do that? Seems like such a waste if it is, but I hope it's just some weird bug I'm experiencing. Kinda strange that I'm experiencing it across two different machines and demos, though.
 
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Anyone else have that issue with the Blue Rose's charged shot where Nero automatically unloads one after you release the button? I had this issue when I played the second (I believe? the one with Punch Line and Buster Arm) demo at a con and now with the Xbox demo too. Is it supposed to do that? Seems like such a waste if it is, but I hope it's just some weird bug I'm experiencing. Kinda strange that I'm experiencing it across two different machines and demos, though.
Not really a bug. You can circumvent this by immediately doing a move that can't be canceled out of like the air taunt, Streak etc.