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Devilman Crybaby |OT| Netflix finally stopped playing Mind Games and Ping Pong with anime fans
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This was a good video. I'm trying to find some other good analysis videos as well. I'm thirsty lol
Unfortunately, I have unsuccessfully convinced my friends to watch this show in a timely fashion, so I watched the first five episodes again this evening. I am watching the English dub this time. I might have to watch it a third time with the Japanese VO again when I'm done.
I think its just you. The lgbt themes are one of the reasons the show is popular with women and lgbt people, from what I've seen.
Do people think Miko
was gay? I think someone here said she was. I didn't think so. Her telling Miki she loved her felt more like a friend thing. I feel like only Koda or however you spell it was the only gay character. And maybe Ryo but apparently that's a lot more obvious in the manga.
Even with some light knowledge of events I still wasn't ready for this emotional burden on my soul. Anything that explores what it means to be human tends to have profound impact on me.
I feel the same way. I think people are overselling that aspect of the show, not that I blame them (although some of the twitter/tumblr crowd are really taking it to that level of uncomfortable shipping that's seen in other anime/game levels). But that whole thing felt a typical Japanese "friend" thing. I mean, I just heard the same thing in Xenoblade 2 :P (and it was said with so much emotion too)
Plus when it came to "Miko" at least she seemed to have
Affection and attraction towards glasses rapper dude first
watches straight porno and was driven to lust rage by imagining Miki naked. But I get where the whole "Ship" comes from with Ryo. Even though that's another can of worms given Ryo's dual sex nature. But there's definitely zero romantic or especially sexual feelings from Akira to him, especially by the end
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Never heard anyone say that.
The lgbt themes are mostly regarding Akira/Ryo. Though I'm guessing the posters criticism includes the athlete at well. I think its a real stretch to suggest the depiction of lgbt people are bad here.
So I watched like 10 minutes of the first episode. Is this like the Aqua Teen Hunger Force of animes? Nothing makes sense. Nothing the characters say to each other seems to follow anything. This is just completely bizarre.
Should I keep going?
Should I keep going?
Miko definitely wasn't gay. The love she confessed for Miki, and why Miki went along with it firmly, is a very common cultural thing between female students in Japan/Anime. It's just a general affection expressed to an "extreme", not a romantic sense. More like "you're my beloved rival!" "you're super important to me!" etc.
I'm currently up to episode 5 and while I like the series up until now I don't know if I should continue watching it now since I got spoiled by some asshat on YouTube who decided to post the finale of Crybaby onto YouTube WHILE PUTTING THE EVENTS OF SAID FINALE INTO THE VIDEO TITLE. Why is that a problem? Because fucking YouTube put the video into the god-damn sidebar recommedations while I had a video of the Crybaby OST opened up. I went into the comments section of that video and told him to change the title of the fucking video (which he did later on) because everything he had achieved with the clickbait title was spoiling some people who really didn't want to get spoiled.
Asshole.
Other than that, the soundtrack is GOAT tier with the 80s synthwave beats and it's kinda refreshing to see those levels of sex (oooooh boy, episode 5 was crazy in that regard) and violence in an anime. This would never be this insane had this aired as a normal TV production.
Asshole.
Other than that, the soundtrack is GOAT tier with the 80s synthwave beats and it's kinda refreshing to see those levels of sex (oooooh boy, episode 5 was crazy in that regard) and violence in an anime. This would never be this insane had this aired as a normal TV production.
I still say Guts/Griffith is FAR different from Akira/Ryo. They're not even similar in archetype. It's more of a classical Cain and Abel trope.
Thanks for your thoughts. That part confused me and it was explained much cleaner in the manga when the reveal happened.
Yeah Ryo's realization about him being the same as god was a great part of the manga. And I guess I would've liked it a bit too if Satan was a part of the narrative or was at least mentioned in earlier episodes. His reason for rebelling against god was kind of glossed over in Crybaby.
The Final 3 episodes really reminded me of the eclipse. Ryo heel turn. Ryo gets everyone who Akira cared for are killed. Akiras bae is dramatically killed, Ryo transforms into a Godhand.
With the difference being...
There's no transformation, Ryo has always been Satan. He also played Akira from the beginning, and had no hand in Akira's family being murdered. Ryo simply gave in to his nature. Griffith is a lot more complex than Satan, he truely loved the Taka no Dan, and sacrificed these people in order to achieve his dream of Falconia, even the Godhand were just a tool he used to get closer to that. Griffith also didn't play Guts, they had a genuine friendship that fell apart because Guts *felt* used and wanted to be his own man. Both Guts and Griffith have a LOT more agency than either Akira/Ryo, who are stuck in a vicious cycle of fate. Comparing Akira/Ryo to Guts/Griffith completely downplays the latter.
TBF the manga version of Ryo is different to the anime version so comparing inspiration to the anime version doesn't make sense. That's not the version that may or may not have influenced Miura.
I thought it was representative of humanity if anything. Koda was a dick, but the death of his lover was the only thing that really humanized him. Ditto with Miko and Miki, if we want to read them as queer (I do). And Ryo, too, for that matter.
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Have heard of Devilman before but never actually watched or knew anything about it, so pretty much went in blind into the new show.
And damn, that was one heck of a watch. Way more brutal and gutsy than I expected, felt like they went all out. Stuff like this usually has various obvious story and character arcs and it felt like this show had them too but nope, it really doesn't hold back when all is said and done.
Are the old anime worth watching? As in are they actually good without being clouded with nostalgia? If not then I'd rather not pursue them and end it here, with the new show, on a high note.
And damn, that was one heck of a watch. Way more brutal and gutsy than I expected, felt like they went all out. Stuff like this usually has various obvious story and character arcs and it felt like this show had them too but nope, it really doesn't hold back when all is said and done.
Are the old anime worth watching? As in are they actually good without being clouded with nostalgia? If not then I'd rather not pursue them and end it here, with the new show, on a high note.
Yeah. As a sloppy queer person myself, this show was one of the most brazenly LGBT positive pieces of media I've seen in a long time, with both explicitly and "subtle" queer coded characters. It's a self selected echo chamber and all, but my twitter timeline of fellow LGBT people are in almost unanimous agreement, regardless if they ultimately enjoyed the show or not.
Watch the OVA's. Not Amon OVA though as its pretty bad. Also I am watching Devil Lady which is very different from the manga and its pretty good though its not for everyone.
What I love most about the characters is not just how it shows queer people as regular people, but how sexual agency the characters have. It just makes all their emotions feel so much more real.
Is it fair to say that it's brazenly LGBT positive when all the queer character in the show are said to be deviant or turn into literal devils? There's a huge chance that I'm forgetting things though. Just in my mind the main queer representation was in the club scene which you could say was down to hedonism, but then the only other explicitly gay character in the show also turns into a devil? I mean the show featuring explicitly gay scenes is cool, just the context of them isn't great?
Does anyone know where this is from. Don't remember seeing it
That was from post credits to Episode 9.
They don't turn into devils. They are DEVILMAN. They have the HEART OF A HUMAN.
I think that a lack of queerness in a story concerned with appetites (demonic or otherwise) would be really conspicuous.
For a lot of characters, like Koda or Ryo, the queer text or subtext is practically the only thing noble in them. And in the case of someone like Miko, her character arc finds its resolution in the redemptive power of love, which is a theme that Yuasa is no stranger to.
Honestly, as a gay dude, I think it's saying that love (queer or otherwise) is salvific, if anything.
I'm on episode 8.
I really wish the show let a particular scene breath a bit. The pacing of the show is too quick at times.
I really wish the show let a particular scene breath a bit. The pacing of the show is too quick at times.
I understand that Koda's a devilman, but of the mainline devilmen/women he's the only one that has a trail of innocent corpses behind him and his first action was to kill his lover. I'd also argue that Ryo's in no way a queer element of the story given the true ending goes out of it's way to show them as a gender-less fallen angel. Even if you want to say he's meant to be gay, he's also fucking Satan. I just think there's literally no positive LGBT representation in the show when it's clearly not afraid to have LGBT characters.
With that said I think you're right in that in that love's meant to be seen as salvific umop. I'd really have liked to see the series go deeper into the Ryo/Akira relationship pre-nightclub massacre to see what it took for Satan to fall in love with a human.
With that said I think you're right in that in that love's meant to be seen as salvific umop. I'd really have liked to see the series go deeper into the Ryo/Akira relationship pre-nightclub massacre to see what it took for Satan to fall in love with a human.
Yeah, that is exactly my takeaway of things. It's so bizarre how people are jumping all over that when that brief few seconds of time is the only "affection" between them in the whole series. But yeah, Miki/Miko are just friends.
Anyway, saw this on twitter. Supposedly Devilman picture drawn by Yoshitaka Amano:
I have to say that I REALLY love his design/take on the character! :O
Yeah I think it's from this book? (warning: NSFW pics) https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Illust...-Tadanori-Yokoo-Yoshitaka-Amano-/201492633244
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I'm talking about the manga version, though?
Manga Ryo is a manipulative jackass from the absolute beginning
Characters like Silene, Koda, and Miko, show that demonkind and humanity aren't exactly dichotomous. Silene, and that other demon that she fuses with, seem capable of something like love. Koda at first seems to have his humanity in flux, and to barely if at all know what he's doing, then to later side with the demons for human reasons. And Miko, at first, seems to totally lose herself, but then her humanity reasserts itself organically. What's common in all of these cases is that they're indeterminate, and we have no way to decide, in advance, what they really are. Ryo counts for this, too. Ryo leaves behind a lot of damage, and we can ask why Akira is even friends with him, but then apparently even angels can have a change of heart, eventually, but we would never know that until it actually happens.
Akira is really the only devilman where there seems to be a smooth transition, and he along with Miki are really the only moral paragons in the show, so that's probably why. Yeah Koda isn't a good person, but moral character and sexual orientation don't have any substantial connection, and I think the show itself is very clear on this. Gay people can be dicks, too, but when Koda becomes a monster, that's due to a choice, not due to what he is. And if we want to empathize with him, the show gives us means to do that essentially through his queerness. Particularly, that Koda seems unable to properly grieve, and this is apparently in part due to external social factors, like being closeted. Between that, and some surprisingly matter-of-fact homoeroticism, I'm pretty confident that this is just a statement of fact: that gay people exist and are people, rather than the kind of prudish moral judgement that would make gay people villains because gayness is strange or whatever. For Koda, his gayness isn't presented as strange at all, but instead presents probably our only meaningful point of contact (or familiarity) with him!
And I think the themes of the show are broadly available to a queer reading, it's not that they literally have to be LGBTQIA. Queerness is, broadly, a state of being that society takes to be 'mismatched'. That Ryo would love a human, or that Miko would profess her love for Miki, or that humanity would fuse with demonkind and become something new, are all fundamentally transgressive notions.
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Damn, that is an awesome artbook. They got a bunch of guest artists do draw Devilman and that is awesome. It looks like it is a very rare book so I'm guessing only e-bay is the way to snag a copy.
Would be nice if maybe this revitalization of the IP would maybe spur another kind of similar art collaboration work.
I didn't find Koda that bad. He clearly wasn't killing the people in the places on purpose and seemed to be struggling with the process like Miki's brother (though not THAT bad). His reasons for joining the demons was also understandable considering he had no reason to think humanity would accept him and other Devilmen.
Soon the boobs will be replaced by feels. Serious feels, man.