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Devs react to PS5 specs - Twitter edition
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You're doing impressive work. Daddy TimDog is going to reward you handsomely.
Series X has fixed clocks though, Sony is using variable frequencies. And they didn't even tell us exactly how much it can go down, what the ranges are, and what the average frequency is.
these are ALL major REDFLAGS
well, since you are not saying where and how I'm wrong, I must be right.
If you don't have any arguments, just insult them. Pathetic. Very poor deflect techniques.
It's a shame because there's actually a lot of really neat info mixed in if you can get to it.
How can you say this before either has announced a price and with Lockhart Mia?
Also that ssd is not cheap. Xbox memory setup may also be cheaper than ps5.
huh? What was wrong about that? It's true lol Sony did not confirm VRS. A mod here did. Hence everyone things ps5 supports VRS. Yeah. Seems legit.
But discussing how Xbox audio solution is inferior to Sony is a big no no because all that matters is they both have it.
Is it not tiring trying to keep spinning shit and putting in that fanboy cape everyday?
MS uses litteral patents from Mark Cerny in their VRS parents... Explain that
I don't need to prove you wrong, there are many different sources for you to read or watch that proves you wrong with every argument you're trying to push. :^)
Impressive work soldier, you have my keyboard.
Members with no avatars, low post counts and only peddling console war shit are also ALL major REDFLAGS.
The funniest thing about these guys is that they'll crow about tflops all day long but dont you dare suggest that the PS5 might have advantages in other areas.
My statements were in reference to your "list" of third party reactions and why they"don't" matter.
No comment on you muddying the water on VRS. Keep spinning your yarn man, its clear you're gonna deflect or minimize anything that does not suit your narrative so I am not gonna try and just try to enjoy it at least
Edit: Crap I posted this a few seconds late.
TBF, Project Acoustics it's really amazing. The only "problem" is that MS really haven't talked much about it. I'll leave this here
Project Acoustics: Making Waves with Triton - Microsoft Research
Project Acoustics is now available for all game developers and sound designers to use. It employs the Triton technology developed in Microsoft Research for accurate sound propagation using wave physics. Learn more about the research at aka.ms/Project-Triton Download Project Acoustics at...
www.microsoft.com
PS4 Pro is doing what? since when is variable resolution ranging from 1080p to 1440p called 4K?
Don't worry I still love all the devs! Free hugs for everyone!
Reading these next gen threads is excruciating. It really does show me how people can deny global warming though. You literally have experts in the field telling you something or several things and then you have posters constantly downplaying it, changing goals, and outright denying it.
Based on these posts, you'd think the compute differences from these machines is massive when in reality it is closer than consoles have been for a long time. Like, this is what it seems to me people are suggesting:
XBox1x >>>40%>>> PS4pro
Series X >>>>>>>>>>>20%>>>>>>>>>> PS5.
Going into this thread I was hoping to just get an idea of what the PS5 could be capable of from developers but you have some users constantly just sludging it up. It's incredibly impressive in a way how much time and energy is put forth in doing that.
I'm not a specialist or anything, just a gaming fan but from what I can gather the series x will have a 15-20% advantage in most cases but have a 50% slower ssd, even if the ssd is drastically better than current gen's. On top of this the PS5's ssd and audio chip can help make up grounds in other ways? Freeing up memory, perhaps? I still think the series x will have the performance edge in most cases but the PS5 is no slouch; certainly not the disaster some are making it out to bem Users will be happy with either choice regardless and it will come down to the games, services, etc as it always has and should.
Again, I'm no expert but are we sure the over 2X speed of the PS5 is only going to decrease load times? From what I can tell, more demanding games are constantly loading/streaming information in a way. They are just hidden with tricks like elevators, etc. Seems like devs are happy because they won't need to spend time worrying about these tricks and bottlenecks anymore and can focus their time on the gaming experience rather than trying to mask shortfalls and bottlenecks. Again, the ssd of both machines would help but an ssd that is 2X faster must make a difference in more than just faster load screens, no? Just my two cents which are, like I mentioned, non-expert.
Based on these posts, you'd think the compute differences from these machines is massive when in reality it is closer than consoles have been for a long time. Like, this is what it seems to me people are suggesting:
XBox1x >>>40%>>> PS4pro
Series X >>>>>>>>>>>20%>>>>>>>>>> PS5.
Going into this thread I was hoping to just get an idea of what the PS5 could be capable of from developers but you have some users constantly just sludging it up. It's incredibly impressive in a way how much time and energy is put forth in doing that.
I'm not a specialist or anything, just a gaming fan but from what I can gather the series x will have a 15-20% advantage in most cases but have a 50% slower ssd, even if the ssd is drastically better than current gen's. On top of this the PS5's ssd and audio chip can help make up grounds in other ways? Freeing up memory, perhaps? I still think the series x will have the performance edge in most cases but the PS5 is no slouch; certainly not the disaster some are making it out to bem Users will be happy with either choice regardless and it will come down to the games, services, etc as it always has and should.
Again, I'm no expert but are we sure the over 2X speed of the PS5 is only going to decrease load times? From what I can tell, more demanding games are constantly loading/streaming information in a way. They are just hidden with tricks like elevators, etc. Seems like devs are happy because they won't need to spend time worrying about these tricks and bottlenecks anymore and can focus their time on the gaming experience rather than trying to mask shortfalls and bottlenecks. Again, the ssd of both machines would help but an ssd that is 2X faster must make a difference in more than just faster load screens, no? Just my two cents which are, like I mentioned, non-expert.
TBF, Project Acoustics it's really amazing. The only "problem" is that MS really haven't talked much about it. I'll leave this here
Project Acoustics: Making Waves with Triton - Microsoft Research
Project Acoustics is now available for all game developers and sound designers to use. It employs the Triton technology developed in Microsoft Research for accurate sound propagation using wave physics. Learn more about the research at aka.ms/Project-Triton Download Project Acoustics at...www.microsoft.com
I have no technical know how on the differences between the chips, though I do have a slight bias for sony since I predominantly use Sony for IEMS on public transport.
Either way, I am more excited that both consoles having chips might inspire more devs to put more into the audio, thats a definite win for me
TBF, Project Acoustics it's really amazing. The only "problem" is that MS really haven't talked much about it. I'll leave this here
Project Acoustics: Making Waves with Triton - Microsoft Research
Project Acoustics is now available for all game developers and sound designers to use. It employs the Triton technology developed in Microsoft Research for accurate sound propagation using wave physics. Learn more about the research at aka.ms/Project-Triton Download Project Acoustics at...www.microsoft.com
Isn't this ever so slightly off topic, I accept Microsoft are Devs though.
Most of what makes the PS5 I/O pipeline faster is built into the SOC. The hardware for the drive itself is pretty standard...and there's less capacity/fewer chips, so it could easily be less expensive than XSX's larger drive.
PS5's RAM is also unlikely to be more expensive. The difference between them is that Sony is buying 2 2GB chips, and Microsoft is buying 4 1GB chips.
It was posted somewhere in one of the next gen threads and I am sorry but not looking through several hundred of pages I am afraid.
Thank Talos for that.
I get the concerns and worries, I really do. Sony and Microsoft have worked so hard to get gamers to invest heavily in their ecosystems, that switching is harder to justify for some people, and so they want to know that their ecosystem's next hardware is going to be great. But I really think both next gen consoles are looking to be amazing at this stage. Devs are saying as much too. DF videos at launch will no doubt suggest that one is slightly better than the other for third party, but I think it's fairly clear at this point that both consoles have VASTLY exceeded the 8-9TF, Zen 1, hybrid HDD solutions that used to be the expectation.
Be happy =)
I get the concerns and worries, I really do. Sony and Microsoft have worked so hard to get gamers to invest heavily in their ecosystems, that switching is harder to justify for some people, and so they want to know that their ecosystem's next hardware is going to be great. But I really think both next gen consoles are looking to be amazing at this stage. Devs are saying as much too. DF videos at launch will no doubt suggest that one is slightly better than the other for third party, but I think it's fairly clear at this point that both consoles have VASTLY exceeded the 8-9TF, Zen 1, hybrid HDD solutions that used to be the expectation.
Be happy =)
how much is the additional sillicon for the IO improvement likely to increase the price of the BoM?
Only if you decided to neglect the "conversation" going on for the las 2 pages. There's some good info between the mud, you should read it.
Project Acoustics doesn't really tell us anything about XSX's audio hardware does it? I was under the impression it's more a sound API and not in any way hardware related.TBF, Project Acoustics it's really amazing. The only "problem" is that MS really haven't talked much about it. I'll leave this here
Project Acoustics: Making Waves with Triton - Microsoft Research
Project Acoustics is now available for all game developers and sound designers to use. It employs the Triton technology developed in Microsoft Research for accurate sound propagation using wave physics. Learn more about the research at aka.ms/Project-Triton Download Project Acoustics at...www.microsoft.com
I would really love deep dives into both console's audio hardware, the more different the various hardware solutions between the consoles are the more interesting they are in my opinion.
The fact is, it's way to early to make any definitive statements about "value".
IMO, we need a staff post from a moderator or from an adminstrator with stricter rules. That should get everyone to take this & other threads like it seriously.
Here's the Microsoft patent. Just look through the "References Cited" section for Cerny's patent (which itself references multiple other Sony patents for related tech).
Note that this does not mean that Microsoft used Sony ideas in their implementation. Just the opposite, in fact: the references are there as part of Microsoft's claim that they're not trying to patent existing ideas over again, but that theirs is a unique method. What the presence of the Cerny patent does show--alongside the other referenced works by Nvidia, AMD, etc.--is that variable rate shading is something the whole field of graphical engineers have been working toward for years. That's why it's part of the Turing architecture, part of the RDNA architecture, and why many people expect it to be in PS5.
Thanks for your clarifications on mesh shaders, something that always confused me.
No worries, forums aren't really good at finding old info.
I have no idea. I don't know what size this specialized I/O block will be, so we can't say what sliver of a wafer it'd represent (which would be the cost).
On that more general point I definitely agree. PS5 might end up the same MSRP as XSX.
Actually, you would have to pretty loopy as a dev to even bother saying anything with the customers acting like sharks, I doubt we get much dev talk until after launch anyway.
This is really interesting. Thank you for sharing it. I'm really curious to know if the next xbox is also going to have a separated processor for sound like PS5. As you can see in the video, the treatment needed for that realistic sound approach, really consumes a lot of processing power (they even talk about the power of the cloud, hehe). So I think that this technology won't be used very often if it comes at a cost of a big chunk of your main cpu.TBF, Project Acoustics it's really amazing. The only "problem" is that MS really haven't talked much about it. I'll leave this here
Project Acoustics: Making Waves with Triton - Microsoft Research
Project Acoustics is now available for all game developers and sound designers to use. It employs the Triton technology developed in Microsoft Research for accurate sound propagation using wave physics. Learn more about the research at aka.ms/Project-Triton Download Project Acoustics at...www.microsoft.com
Far too many people waited 7 years--full if bitterness and frustration--to finally be smug and rub it in people's faces that MS has the stronger hardware. To some, this was a long time coming and are reveling that they can finally lord something over a different set of consumers they see as the "competition."
You can have primitives with their own designated attributes but I don't know how flexible, or intelligent, they are. I've only seen rudimentary commands implemented. I planned on pestering folks about a lot of nitty gritty details like that last week but the world had other plans.
Better now than at the launch, nobody is really saying or showing anything ps5 related so it's probably a blessing in disguise.
There's very little dev talk in here anyway.
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Ok, so if you want actual physical evidence that you won't be getting any for a good long time. In fact, even when they start making next-gen only AAA titles you probably won't see much differences. You'll have to wait till Sony makes their first PS5 first party title to see exactly why they would spend so much of their research time and BOM budget on their extremely custom SSD. I mean, surely they wouldn't have done that if they thought there wouldn't be a tangible benefit of going with their custom SSD rather than using a more off-the-shelf solution like MS did. Unless Cerny is lying again.