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Devs react to the Xbox Series S specs

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Lant_War

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Following the thread we had for the PS5 spec reveal, I'm making this to compile the reactions from developers across Twitter and other social media. For "Official" reactions, Both Xbox's own YT channel as well as Digital Foundry have uploaded videos on the system:




As for some of the dev reactions:

Developers talked to Patrick Klepek:


Id Software Programmer:


Remedy Technical Producer:
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IdSoftware Lead Engine Programmer:
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Infinity Ward Multiplayer Designer:
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Game Director (ex EA, Infinity Ward and other studios):
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Remedy Communications Director:
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Flavorworks Creative Director:
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Squanch Games Gameplay Programmer (full thread here):
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IdSoftware Engine Programmer:
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DICE QA:
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LilScooby77

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So it seems those devs are not happy about the S at all.

Edit: more positive quotes have been added.
 
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MS really like their split memory banks

Although a 4TFLOP system of that size makes me wonder what a Switch 2 will be 2-3 years down the line from now
 
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I hope this RAM issue doesn't have an impact for third-party Series X and PS5 games, as Series S is now the baseline for next-gen games.
 
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Yeah I thought this to be pretty obvious.

If Series S specs were sufficient for what developers wanted out of this generation, that would be the baseline.

Instead of getting a pro model, we got the opposite with the S.
 
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I'm wondering how this console will handle games 3 years from now when most games will be much more demanding.
 
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I think how the Series S performs once next gen third party games start relying heavily on the GPU will be interesting.

I want the new consoles to take advantage of all the features and potential of the platform.

How many years into the cycle will Series S not be worthy of recommendation? It's also why I don't really like how the iterative consoles worked this gen. This seems like it will be worse.
 
Chettlar

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Not hearing it's definitively more powerful than the one x is disappointing. I would have at least have hoped for a side grade, and it seems they were almost there too :/ Apparently the goal of ensuring next gen could all do X enhanced at least I just figured was a given.
 
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I think it will be fine its basically what devs have to account for on pc
 
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RAM allocation looks to be the major concern as to why this console will bottleneck the platform development
 
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Chettlar said:
Not hearing it's definitively more powerful than the one x is disappointing. I would have at least have hoped for a side grade, and it seems they were almost there too :/ Apparently the goal of ensuring next gen could all do X enhanced at lost I just figured was a given.
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But it is definitely more powerful
 
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CerealBro1 said:
Here's Robert Bowling responding to someone asking about two of those negative dev responses


Also, I think the Remedy one is more about needing to target another platform (since someone asked if it was about optimization and he said it was) rather than needing to "scale down" the game in a substantial way

Time will tell I guess
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ok so hes just proving the point that if Series S didnt exist and the target was just consoles (series X and ps5) then the game could be designed for the higher spec hardware.
 
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CerealBro1 said:
Here's Robert Bowling responding to someone asking about two of those negative dev responses


Also, I think the Remedy one is more about needing to target another platform (since someone asked if it was about optimization and he said it was) rather than needing to "scale down" the game in a substantial way

Time will tell I guess
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The slower part of ram is for OS, ganes uses the 8Gb of faster ram.
 
Yuntu

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I think in like 2-3 years this will play out similiar to base console versions vs. Pro console versions of games as it is right now towards the end of the gen.
 
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I wished for more insight than that, of course this could be due NDA or some shit like that, but this is what people are discussing for months but being ''confirmed''.
Well, time will tell.
 
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Chettlar said:
Not hearing it's definitively more powerful than the one x is disappointing. I would have at least have hoped for a side grade, and it seems they were almost there too :/ Apparently the goal of ensuring next gen could all do X enhanced at least I just figured was a given.
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...it is more powerful.
 

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JABEE said:
I think how the Series S performs once next gen third party games start relying heavily on the GPU will be interesting.

I want the new consoles to take advantage of all the features and potential of the platform.

How many years into the cycle will Series S not be worthy of recommendation?
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The GPU is not the issue. It's the much lower RAM and bandwidth.
 
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CerealBro1 said:
Here's Robert Bowling responding to someone asking about two of those negative dev responses


Also, I think the Remedy one is more about needing to target another platform (since someone asked if it was about optimization and he said it was) rather than needing to "scale down" the game in a substantial way

Time will tell I guess
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If he's referring to the PS4 to PS4 Pro and Xbox One to Xbox One X situation, it's not really the same.

The vast majority of console owners are playing roughly at 1.3-1.8tf. The games are largely made to be surely playable on those machines. Nothing too intensive for those machines. Then the Pro and X basically up the rendering resolution and some added graphical bells and whistles.

More than 50% of next gen gamers will be playing on a 10 TF machine or above. First are foremost the PS5 and SX versions will be taken care of. Especially as games get more technically demanding.
 

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Chettlar said:
Not hearing it's definitively more powerful than the one x is disappointing. I would have at least have hoped for a side grade, and it seems they were almost there too :/ Apparently the goal of ensuring next gen could all do X enhanced at least I just figured was a given.
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It's definitively more powerful than Xbox one x.

Modern, faster CPU. SSD. Modern GPU.
 
NinjaScooter

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As a consumer, it seems fine for me as a complimentary console for people who are primarily on PS (or even Switch) as a way to catch up on Gamepass, backlog BC, or MS first party stuff. I definitely think there could be some concerns as to where it is 2-3 years down the line, specifically for those first party MS games, and whether the S impacts them (especially if the S ends up outselling the X).
 
YozoraXV

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I don't see the XSS being an issue just push the resolution to 1080p if you are struggling to optimize it.

PC devs have been doing this kind of scaling for years and it wasn't a problem.
 
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From the initial announcements, I thought GPU and SSD space were the only things that were reduced (losing 8 TF is still a lot though), but yea - if they had to reduce RAM greatly, I definitely feel like it's going to require some ingenuity to build a game around 2 vastly different RAM speeds/capacities that won't seem "compromised".
 
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I find it amusing that posters were dogpiled for being "concerned" about the Series S. I really wonder if it will see the same (or similar) fate as the Kinect before long (i.e. mandatory support being dropped 2-3 years into the generation).
 
vivftp

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Can't wait to finally get more candid dev reactions and opinions about all the next gen machines.
 
scottbeowulf

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I honestly expected a better reception. Not that it's all bad. But right out of the gate there's more negativity than I thought there would be. It'll be very interesting to get comparisons between games/platforms but we won't get any of that until launch or very close to it.
 
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Like some of the devs in the OP, I also believe that it will lead to issues in optimization and that Series S will hold back next gen in the long run.

I really hoped that Microsoft would drop Lockhart. But it is what it is.
 
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