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DF Direct: PS5: The full technical specification
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they don't have the same implimentation though...
Not mention =/= not present. Aren't they generic features of RDNA2? As for RT scales with TF...so rogame is wrong.
You just need to hope you have normal ears, or you will need to lend them to Sony to study.
Do we know what receivers will support tempest engine for their 3D sound?
Would they come out with a new codec for receivers to use?
Would they come out with a new codec for receivers to use?
- See my post above. PS5 has VRS.
- XSX doesn't have an ML "chip". It has built-in support for ML operations. Which technically PS5 does too. The special feature that XSX has is the ability to do ML operations at reduced precision - i.e., higher efficiency. It is unknown if PS5 has this support. It's not inconceivable though, given Pro had FP16 support.
- That figure is not at all accurate. XSX should have an RT advantage, but that figure doesn't account for PS5's higher GPU clock.
so are we into " specs don't matter " phase yet or are we still trying to push lower specs as something more? We can't skip secret sauce!! Lol
TFs don't matter ... unless you compare the same architecture which we are.
56 cus is better than 36. You can do more in parallel.
TFs don't matter ... unless you compare the same architecture which we are.
56 cus is better than 36. You can do more in parallel.
If only Sony had a few good studios designing games specifically tailored to the higher clocked 36CUs.
I dont think so, all of their 3D audio on PSVR works on all headphones. I think Cerny mentioned they were focusing on headphones before and now TV speakers with surround setups later, so it might be stereo setups only for now
Seriously. The numbers are what they are. Why people feel the need to make anything more out of it is beyond me. This isn't Nvidia flops vs AMD flops.
The AMD Smart Shift stuff is kinda wild?
Like, if you want to use the CPU to the full capacity you have to downclock your GPU. And if you want to use your GPU to full capacity you have to downclock the CPU.
Like, if you want to use the CPU to the full capacity you have to downclock your GPU. And if you want to use your GPU to full capacity you have to downclock the CPU.
The difference between performance and teraflops between the PS5 and XsX is because of the higher clocks. Basically higher clocks equals better performance per TF just as GCN vs RDNA gains if I understand correctly. What this means in the end for visuals we will probably have to wait and see but perhaps the already "close" gap between 10.2-12.1 is actually even smaller if PS5 can consistently keep the clocks that high.
Now that's amazing. With generic speakers in a headphone they can achieve this. Incredible
So DF says you can get much more out of a GPU with higher clock frequencies than the Tflop count implies and doesn't factor in, primarily because a higher clock frequency means the caches have higher bandwidth, rasterisation rates improve in step with the clock speed etc.
Do we know how much these latter things would improve with a 2.23Ghz GPU (PS5) vs a 1.825GHz GPU (XSX)? In other words a 22.2% clock speed difference. Curious to know what benefits the higher clock speed allows that the Tflop count alone doesn't account for.
DF certainly seems impressed by the approach, and calls it highly innovative.
Do we know how much these latter things would improve with a 2.23Ghz GPU (PS5) vs a 1.825GHz GPU (XSX)? In other words a 22.2% clock speed difference. Curious to know what benefits the higher clock speed allows that the Tflop count alone doesn't account for.
DF certainly seems impressed by the approach, and calls it highly innovative.
They seem pretty excited by it, and it looks like the tech is going to make their job a bit more interesting down the road.
Its amazing isnt it? People still fall for it.
Its blatant marketing by sony. Downplay the negatives, emphasize the positives.
It basically is Matt have been 100% correct on everything regarding these consoles
I think it's more like giving the CPU or GPU more power if you don't need it from the other chip. I could be wrong, but I imagine if you have a cutscene that doesn't require a lot of CPU you can send that power to the GPU. Or if you're in a lower graphic intensive area you could send GPU power to the CPU for physics calculations or something.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that.
So yeah this thing looks actually really unique and exiting. XSX looks like just a pc.
Obviously the xsex is going to be always better in multiplats minus loadings I guess, but PS5 exclusives should be something else.
Obviously the xsex is going to be always better in multiplats minus loadings I guess, but PS5 exclusives should be something else.
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No it can't the Xbox locked clocks will produce far better results than boost clocks that only last a few secs then tank performance even lower than base after because of thermal throttling.
warning pure speculation below:
It's kind of painfully obvious that Sony unlocked the clocks last min to push their 9.2 tf to 10.2 on paper. Now they have to deal with power and thermal balance because of that.
Overall they seem extremely positive about it and sounds like something to be excited for. Will be a real treat to see how SSD and audio tech is leveraged - appears to be a real focus and highlight of the console. Mad that there's still lots more to reveal.
PS5 doesn't appear to be designed around too much other than what developers asked for. No misguided design principles. A well-balanced machine that avoids bottlenecks where it should. Not really the same.
There is nothing to suggest that the Sony box doesn't come in a similar form factor is there?
Can I get a post number? That link does not take me to the post.It has VRS:
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Uh that sounds like the plan? Reads to me like "see you at E3". They specifically saved stuff like the price and release date which they'll announce at E3 obviouslywww.resetera.com
It should make horror games really really creepy, I don't think I can handle it.
It's supposed to go to #11,030. You can go through the chain to see the context is discussing VRS between PS5/XSX.
Yes these DF guys are surely paid shills or don't know what they are talking about...
This is simply not true. There is no thermal throttling on the PS5. I don't know if you guys are just regurgitating this inaccurate stuff in the Xbox Discord or on Twitter or something (hence we keep reading the same misinformation), but that is not how the PS5 determines frequency downclocks. They're not based on thermal conditions but a set power load. If you actually watched the video, DF explained as much, and also why it is unique vs other products and GPU's.
Some posts and responses explaining it after others posted similar notions.
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Matt has already stated the way you and Aegon are assuming things work is inaccurate. The clock speeds and variations aren't tied to heat consumption but a work/power load that has already been designed around max thermal acceptance.
I think this post explains it best.
And another.
It's their way of explaining how their new solution will manage higher clock speeds without the heat issues that typically correlate with such speeds.
Essentially where variable power draw has historically contributed to greater variances in temperatures or performance, and where past boost implementations have tied performance directly to thermal headroom (eg in higher temperature environments, gaming frame-rates can be lower), the PS5 instead opts to work around a specific or set power draw for more consistent thermal management, and only drops in frequency in rare "worst case scenarios" in which the system wants to draw beyond the maximum power draw threshold. At least that's how I understood it.
Also Cerny had this to say about heat and cooling.
"Cerny acknowledges that thermal solutions on prior generation hardware may not have been optimal, but the concept of operating to a set power budget makes the concept of heat dissipation an easier task to handle, despite the impressive clocks coming from the CPU and GPU.
"In some ways, it becomes a simpler problem because there are no more unknowns," Cerny says in his presentation. "There's no need to guess what power consumption the worst case game might have. As for the details of the cooling solution, we're saving them for our teardown - I think you'll be quite happy with what the engineering team came up with."
Both look pretty powerful. I wonder - if I move RDR2 to XSX - would that improve its loading screens?
The chip design sounds really interesting, how it is tailored around the SSD solution. This reminds me of the original PS4 pitch, a collection of well balanced components that are customised to work in harmony.
i wonder if some of this is around being able to do more but with using less? Either to keep cost mass market or to offset that SSD.
i wonder if some of this is around being able to do more but with using less? Either to keep cost mass market or to offset that SSD.
Just finished the SSD expansion part of the video... They did touch on how NVME PCIe 4 SSDs are NOT going to be cheap. I think people are going to be shocked how pricey these things will be when they first come out.
Also still don't know if an external HDD can store PS5 games.
Also still don't know if an external HDD can store PS5 games.
Specs DO matter.
However, a lot of people refuse to understand that the power difference between the two machines is lesser than that of the OG PS4 and the Xbox One.
If some fanboys want to pass up the "12 VS 10.3" difference as something like the difference from the PS4 Pro to the Xbox One X, they are going to be deeply disappointed. These two machines are closer in power than any other consoles before. So what else should DF focus on, if not the BIGGEST difference between them?
And about this "56 cus is better than 36. You can do more in parallel.", you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about. That is not how that works.
Alright I see it now, thanks. It was driving me crazy that I could not see the post whenever you posted in different threads.
Another one that have NO idea what they are talking about I see.
Why don't you go and read about how this boost is not a regular boost and the max is the regular speed and thermals is not an issue before you spread bullshit.
No problem. I don't know why my link doesn't go to that specific post.
Unless Sony get the cooling solution really wrong, it sounds like the clocks will mostly run at the optimal speeds and only drop a small amount, if really needed, to keep the temps under control, according to the DF article anyway.
It doesn't seem like the boost will only last "a few secs" and then throttle right down.