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DF: Fallout 76: PS4/PS4 Pro vs Xbox One/Xbox One X - Every Console Tested!
- Thread starter chandoog
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I am going to have to go with Jason on this one.......it's not the engine....for one releasing this game in this state points to management imo,. Maybe they don't have the programmer chops to even do a new engine justice. Which really comes down to management also. Maybe they need new talent.
Got deja vu and remembered my time with Skyrim. This is typical Bethesda, they haven't changed. Ever since Skyrim dropped to 0FPS on PS3, I've stayed away from their trash. Stop giving them money.
Digital Foundry's analysis of Skyrim's PS3 performance said:
The Kotaku article didnt say that the current state of the engine isnt at fault for some stuff, it said that assuming future games will have the same problems because "the engine is the same" isnt accurate. It very likely will have the same problems though.
The thing is,their parent company Zenimax is not public-it's privately held,they don't have to worry about stock price,investors etc...
It makes this whole thing look even worse.
Well at least I find Skyrim's world is better than Witcher 3. I actually do like how Bethesda designs their open worlds and the micro detail, there's not much negative space within their games everything feels visceral in a way that Witcher or Assassin's Creed doesn't. Those games do larger scale cities better and I hope Bethesda improves next gen in that regard. Still if the physics induced objects are causing the problem I hope they can fix how taxing it is while retaining their distinct style.
I don't think some of the people at Bethesda are cut out for making the types of games they make and haven't been for a while.
Standards have changed, Bethesda haven't.
Standards have changed, Bethesda haven't.
Native 4k at 10-15 fps. I don't understand that. Why not just lower the resolution? It's like they just picked a resolution and completely ignored whether the console could actually run it at that resolution.
This performance doesn't really have anything to do with the engine though. They chose this performance. It seems they thought it was a worthy trade off for the higher resolution. It could easily run at 30 fps, just not at the resolutions they chose.
I loved the witcher, but..I did not find the world that well done...but the Cities were awesome, Bethesda's cities were always very weak.
It's better than nothing.
Yea this is what happens when resolution gets chosen over framerate no matter what. If it was for me I would not allow 4k resolution for any game until it runs at locked 60fps.
Empirical evidence suggests otherwise. There is data to support such presumption.
Like any assumption, it is true until it isn't. Doesn't mean it is unjustified.
No, ignore this dumb thread and just watch the video
Mods really need to enforce new rules for DF threads.
What a fucking joke of a Company. I wasn't really interested due to lack of apparent effort which is now confirmed.
https://fallout.bethesda.net/articl...-76-upcoming-features-and-fixes-november-2018
Patch in a few days that's meant to focus on performance. FOV slider and push to talk 'in a few weeks'. How does it take a few weeks to put a FOV slider and push to talk in your game.
Patch in a few days that's meant to focus on performance. FOV slider and push to talk 'in a few weeks'. How does it take a few weeks to put a FOV slider and push to talk in your game.
No there isn't. It isn't wrong to assume the next Bethesda release is going to be a stable mess again. It is wrong to allege that an engine change would fix that and staying with the "same" engine wouldn't. That's people pretending they know exactly what's wrong for their games to turn out this way without basis. This is the same line of thought the "Unity games are shit" comments come from.
I don't understand how Bethesda executives like Todd Howard aren't embarrassed by this. Their games are a laughingstock for being a bug ridden mess. I guess they still make a lot of money from it, but even so there are other developers who make just as much money yet they seem to put more care into their game's performance.
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This like saying, we shouldn't assume the sun won't come up tomorrow. It probably will, but it might not.
As I said there is a long pattern here, we can assume based on past data that using the same engine will bring similar problems, because those problems have existed for many releases since oblivion. Many of the bugs here are positively ancient, if they could fix those then they would have already.
We cannot say that a new engine will be perfect, but we can reliably presume, given how engineers work, that built from the ground up they will attempt to correct for the flaws of the current engine. It may be buggy too, but at least it will have different bugs.
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That's a bullshit comparison. It's like you didnt even read the post. For the third damn time, you're well in your right to assume that the next game is gonna be bug ridden again. The problem the article adressed is that people pretend they know an easy fix and talk about an engine like something it isnt.
They still sell a metric shit ton every time and that's what really matters at the end of the day. I mean I bought Fallout 4 so I'm part of the problem, but there is zero chance I'm touching this.
I agree with Muffin here.....it is probably a case of a lack of talent (Hate saying that but.....)at this point to make the games they want to make,...maybe they need fresh talent. A new engine might not fix anything at all if the issue is with the in house talent and management. Maybe they are not competent enough to even make a good engine....
Does Todd Howard have no shame? I couldn't sleep at night delivering such faulty products again and again and AGAIN.
Seriously, can anyone at BGS feel pride in what they are doing?
Seriously, can anyone at BGS feel pride in what they are doing?
Rightly or wrongly, What people find fun many times extends beyond what performance is or isn't doing. Game design is a thing. Writing, humor, gameplay loop, etc.
Look at the reasons why a number of people dislike Red Dead Redemption 2.
It's not easy to quantify what about a game resonates to any one person much less a large group of them
This is reductive reasoning. You're pretending "the engine" (TM) is the only factor here that results in if the game is buggy or isnt. I could say that the next game is gonna be bad because Todd Howard has been a consistent part of Bethesda and it would make just as much sense. Or that factor Y has stayed the same so if its there again in the next game its gonna be buggy again. It's almost as if you have to actually identify the underlying problems and you're pretending it's this one single thing. And if you'd have read the article, you'd know even starting from the point "the engine is the same again" is a flawed assumption.
Edit: I see you already conceded that simply changing the engine isnt a universal fix. Never mind then.
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Yeah, it might not. But unless they're complete amateurs, they'll have a look at the current flaws and will have the ability, without legacy constraints, to design around them.
They may not be entirely successful, but they will have tried. It might exhibit issues, but they will be different. I very much see Bethesda as the "Enterprise software" developer. It isn't the ability of the engineers, but rather management afraid of the risks and downtime involved in making a proper product. Unfortunately, they could have done it from the beginning and every time they bolt on new features on top they're compounding risks that their hand is going to be forced.
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In their defence: the cpu in these console are still jaguar. Years are passed. Their engine is not cpu friendly. Is not like the X or the Pro have improved it.
They really shouldn't have shipped this game. First the beta problem, then 60GB day 1 patch and now this. I wonder what will it take to make them realize their engine is shit.
Other developers are became quite smart to avoid the problem. But Bethesda isn't it surely the more efficient and we know from a while.
And people will still buy the game by the boat loads and excuse Bethesda for their shoddy work citing nostalgia and idiosyncrasies of their tech.
Last I checked, all their games were not being sold to as of yet to be discovered hardware besides PC and consoles. This means even after years with the "Jaguar" CPU they still have not been able to optimize their game for it.
Last I checked, all their games were not being sold to as of yet to be discovered hardware besides PC and consoles. This means even after years with the "Jaguar" CPU they still have not been able to optimize their game for it.
I don't understand what you said in the last sentence. But again, I just said it was full predictable knowing the limit of the console hardware and their engine.
Seen Horizon, Witcher 3, or Red Dead 2? Large open world's that look great, run great, and aren't buggy as shit are definitely possible with these CPUs.
