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Xbox Series X GPU eats monsters for breakfast.
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DF: Microsoft has developed a console GPU that is more performant and more feature-rich than any Navi part AMD has shipped in 2019
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Xbox Series X GPU eats monsters for breakfast.
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This has to be an environmental disaster, right?
Makes sense, they can afford to go all out on the premium Box - when they have a cheaper system on the way as well.
Well...this didnt take long.
Yeah, 9-10 TFLOPs are much more in line with something anyone should realistically expect.
A 12 TFLOP RDNA GPU would be much faster than just 2x XBX
A 12 TFLOP RDNA GPU would be much faster than just 2x XBX
Yep. I have mentioned it previously on this forum but the reason for the size of the console is because some serious power is going to be out in this thing.
It also safe to say that if the PS5 is going to be in the same ball park power wise, it will have to be of a similar size - thermals will dictate it.
I also concur with Richard that it does seem that MS and Sony are once again being pushing the envelope of console performance.
It also safe to say that if the PS5 is going to be in the same ball park power wise, it will have to be of a similar size - thermals will dictate it.
I also concur with Richard that it does seem that MS and Sony are once again being pushing the envelope of console performance.
Why wouldn't he be ok?
Don't expect a big gap in power between the consoles. At this point, I wouldn't even expect a 5% difference.
Truth is the article is correct in the sense it's based on the 2020 Navi with RT. Of course it bests the entry 2019 Navi cards.
It would be faster. But not that much. 12Tflops is 20% more performances than 10Tflops on the same architecture. And even that doesn't scale that much. 10 to 20% isn't going to be much of a change in a game. It's more of a comfort zone. People are debating between 10 to 12Tflops as if it would change things in a meaningful way.
Like most gaming PCs?
The majority of Xbox sales will be Lockhart anyways.
Yes and a little bit further it states:
Panos is a wizard.
That's what I thought of too. Those dickheads with the black smoke bellowing out of their giant automobiles.
In reality though, I think power management is something that's come on a lot. Bet when you're watching Netflix it uses very little juice.
Tbf, I don't expect more than 250W TDP.
50W CPU
150W GPU
50W everything else
APU, lack of PCIE-buses and more compact mobo means that console can get lower TDP than a similarly specced PC on same node with similar tech.
50W CPU
150W GPU
50W everything else
APU, lack of PCIE-buses and more compact mobo means that console can get lower TDP than a similarly specced PC on same node with similar tech.
They absolutely do. They are assuming (correctly i imagine) that they will make that money back and then some on subscriptions, services, software, peripherals, etc. Its a big risk, but they probably assume they won't sell a ton of this presumably premium priced console ($599?), and most of their sales will be the cheaper Series S or whatever they call it which will cost the standard $399 entry price for new consoles.
I think its a pretty smart strategy. They can compete with PS5's $399 price tag or whatever with the Series S, and then blow the PS5 out of the water in terms of performance with the Series X. Having their cake and eating it too :)
I think it's going to be expensive, by that I don't mean 500 bucks. It's going to be more, GDDR6 is still relatively new and expensive type of RAM. 16GB of GDDR6 is no joke. on top of SSD and very large APU, I won't be shocked if it cost 700s buck or similar. If it was going to be 500 they would not consider a cheaper weaker console which is going to be 300 400 buck by itself. That's the only way it makes sense.
People are going to get a sticker shock next year when the prices are revealed. gotta find 3 jobs.
I'd assume 599$ is gonna be the max they're gonna charge (maybe even less) but from what we're hearing the hardware seems to be more expensive when we take similiar PC parts.
I guess you're right and they expect to make the money back via services (which is probably a good bet for the hardcore segment this thing is targeting).
I'm 100% certain they won't sell this thing for more than 599$. Maybe even less.
I'm starting to believe this will be at least $599 maybe $699. I will stomach this just because Gamepass will save me the money. Balances out...
This is where Lockhart comes in. Had Xsx been the only SKU it had to be weaker since losing $200+ per console will be hard to stomach even for MS.
But if the Xsx is only a fraction of the total console sales, the loss per console sold averages out to much less, assuming that Lockhart is more break-even. A 4+TF APU should be less than 200mm in size, should be way cheaper and requires less cooling smaller box, etc.
They get the performance crown narrative with Xsx without paying as much upfront. The trade off is the risk that third party devs don't take full advantage of Xsx.
Consoles are releasing at the end of 2020 so they'll be using the newest AMD tech, not sure why people are assuming current NAVI cards are any indication.
It's not one guy... There are probably dozen of not hundreds of engineers on his team.
That reveal trailer was incredible.
lol.