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DF: Pokémon Sword/Shield - Switch's Next-Gen Pokémon Doesn't Quite Deliver
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The whole 3D model thing was debunked.
"But if you look at the actual interview referenced in the post, that's not what the Pokémon studio said, at least according to the translation highlights floating around on the internet right now. The actual text of these highlights state that "balancing for new Pokémon with new abilities has become very hard" and this specific reason is why Game Freak "have judged that it will be hard for all the Pokémon to appear, even in titles going forward." The original article also states that "hardware changes" impacted the graphics quality of Sword and Shield."
That image of SuMo literally is only uprezzed, everything else is the exact same as the game on the 3DS. This is a thread discussing the graphical performance and appearance of SwSh, yet you're implying that the game should only be compared to SuMo in 240p, not to a game at a similar resolution.
I don't know if SwSh looking, almost literally, like an uprezzed SuMo is more of a fault of SwSh or a testament to the power of releasing two gens on a single system and how it affected SuMo.
The first link in your quote contradicts the quote itself.
The series is not for nothing often colloquially called Nichémon.
In all seriousness, is this supposed to be the new Niche-Man (Spider-Man) meme? XD
In that case it's clear you're not willing to have a genuine discussion about the graphical fidelity of the game, and I think ending this discussion would be more productive for both of us.
Graphical fidelity includes resolution and framerate. An emulated version of a game is a dishonest comparison, but is useful to see what they were doing in terms of assets and lighting shorthand and the difference in materials. Its not a huge step up, but someone claiming 3DS looked better is um...what? I think its also important to note that the 3DS could barely run what it was attempting.
it's not how i played the game
I like how the discourse has gone from "it looks absolutely nothing like the 3DS game upscaled, you're crazy and blind" to "well yeah kinda but it's unfair to use an emulator it should be compared to original hardware only"
Thing is, I would believe most people would totally be willing to give GF a pass if they didn't drop the ball hard in several other aspects of those games, but from what we've seen, the price increase and the sacrifices haven't been worth it, nor have GF made up for those, evidently. It really is a shame, hopefully 9th gen will be much better because I don't have much faith in them doing Sinnoh justice.
LMAO. Wow. How these games reviewed as well as they did is completely beyond me. They look straight up terrible.
I think the games look and perform reasonably for an indie developer working on a niche franchise.
Pretty solid debut for their second on a HD console, especially given only a small amount of content was cut.
Not to mention Dynamaxing is easily the best gimmick in the series since mega evolutions.
Pretty solid debut for their second on a HD console, especially given only a small amount of content was cut.
Not to mention Dynamaxing is easily the best gimmick in the series since mega evolutions.
I don't remember you saying so, but I have seen that line HUNDREDS of times in the past.
This is kind of what's so mindblowing about it. This is such a huge series but it's clearly had a mid-tier budget attached. I understand that on a micro level they worked within various development constraints, and I'm not going to hold this against any particular developer, but GF as a company needs to either go big on this series or constrain their ambition. Let's Go Evee/ Pikachu looked a little underwhelming sure, but the use of a top-down camera hid most of the blemishes in a way that this game just doesn't. Nobody would have been made if Sword/Shield looked like a gorgeous HD version of a traditional pokemon game - but their desire to widen the scope continuously is simply not matched with the technical capabilities and budget allocated to the task.
Even mid-budget games can look pretty amazing these days thanks to 3rd party engines and middleware. That's a direction I'd strongly recommend - most Japanese devs are jumping onboard this generation.
ok... well that was awkward then. The DF video compares resolution and framerate at their native resolutions because its an honest comparison between existing Pokemon games and other Switch games on their hardware.
Wow.
I don't have any expectations for Pokémon to suddenly become a graphical powerhouse nor is it what I desire. I still love the look of the sprite based games and most of my favourite games are average looking graphically. This game just doesn't look good even ignoring the technical aspects IMO.
Also yes I could probably deal with this game looking ugly if they actually delivered in other ways.
eh, the textures aren't the biggest difference I see. Proper dynamic shadow casting is the biggest difference I notice.
I think he's being sarcastic. They make all the money in the world, but are content to stick with small team productions.
This cannot be a real quote. My dude I IMPLORE you to branch out and play literally any other JRPG on the Switch. How are are you going to argue this when Xenoblade 2, and Octopath exist on the console? Thats not even getting into literally everything else on there.
Blatantly untrue, and we have pages of people SHOWING you otherwise.
It barely does that well. This game is consistently in slapfight battles with Fire Emblem:Three Houses- a game that also looks like runny dogshit in the visualization department. The only difference here is that fans of the games arent deluding themselves over the games presentations. Both of them look like internal beta presentations.
Litetally going neck and neck with bottom of the barrell visuals.
Its really sad for the franchise that it must always be compared to itself in an utter vaacuum to stand even a modicum of a chance, and it fails to even do that when the fucking Battle Sims from almost 17 years ago decimates them in the field of animations and attention to detail and the game they literally released LAST YEAR Lets Go:Pikachu/Eevee blows fat chunks out of SwSh in the visuals department.
Besides the fact that number includes non game development people such as marketing, many of them were contractors and they clearly werent utilized. Once again its a shame Pokemon doesnt get a free pass to only exist in a void because we consistently see 1k team game outputs from all fucking major studios and the results arent fucking SwSh.
SwSh probably isn't even in the top 10 JRPGs in terms of content and scale.
GF used to be one of the best 2D games developers out there, Gen 3 looked soo good on the GBA and was really impressive, when they switched to 3d nothing was impressive except maybe the 3D models of pokemons when Gen 6 came out but that's about it.
SwSh probably isn't even in the top 10 JRPGs in terms of content and scale.
Yep. It's time people stop giving the series a pass on production values and visuals. Should be far better considering the franchise.
In retrospect, the main issue with Gamefreak developing Sword and Shield definitely looks to be the exact same one the Square Enix encountered developing Final Fantasy 13 - that they severely underestimated how difficult and time-consuming HD development is - and as such, in order to ship the game, massive compromises had to be made to the game's quality.
It feels like the series, after Sword and Shield, is at breaking point - that if Gamefreak and TPCI decide to continue with yearly releases now that all of their games must be developed for a HD console, then it's just a matter of time before we get a Sonic 06-level disaster.
It feels like the series, after Sword and Shield, is at breaking point - that if Gamefreak and TPCI decide to continue with yearly releases now that all of their games must be developed for a HD console, then it's just a matter of time before we get a Sonic 06-level disaster.
So...what's up with the development of these games?
It can't just be incompetence. They have the resources to hire the best and brightest to work on this game. Is it greed? Nepotism? Is this a Telltale situation, or have they gotten complacent?
Whatever it is, it's clear that someone on top isn't reinvesting the billions made off this IP back into what made them popular in the first place.
It can't just be incompetence. They have the resources to hire the best and brightest to work on this game. Is it greed? Nepotism? Is this a Telltale situation, or have they gotten complacent?
Whatever it is, it's clear that someone on top isn't reinvesting the billions made off this IP back into what made them popular in the first place.
-Yearly releases meaning unrealistic schedules for development (SWSH was in concept stage for 1 year and production for 2)
-GameFreak historically has struggled to adapt to new hardware, even back on the original Game Boy
-GameFreak is fairly conservative about not expanding their staff and they hold 1/3 of the shares in Pokemon
-Masuda and the other top brass of GameFreak have probably gotten complacent
When your game is destined to sell 15 million no matter what, why delay it a year and hire more staff?
this basically. If you've been in many Pokemon threads you see that a ton. same with the "upscaled PS2" debate.
Truly boggles the mind.
But seems it sells and rakes that money in for the pokemon company, nothing will change.
Is that an older video? A lot of those moves definitely don't look like that. It seems like an older build.
Is there anyone else who doesn't seem to have the FPS drops at all? I keep hearing about them, but so far I have not experienced any, and I am 6 gyms in. Are they extremely noticeable even to someone who is not too observant of these things. My wild area has been just like anywhere else in the game. Genuinely curious.
I'm not obsessed with graphics or anything, but some of the excuses in this thread are just a little mind boggling. The game looks worse than the latest entries in the Sen no Kiseki series, which is more or less a PS3 game on PS4, made by a team of less than one hundred people targeting maybe 200k sales at most.
Game Freak should be able to do better. The should have the resources to do better, the man power to do better, and the talent to do better. Surely many talented people would love to put Pokemon on their resume. How exactly does a Sword Shield situation happen?
Is it though? The 3DS games might technically have less polygons, etc etc, but they make better use of the 3D hardware, environments, etc. than this game does. It's on more powerful hardware, and there are polishes that come with that, but it isn't able to realize its art direction.
This is relevant to discussing the power of the 3DS, not what's on the cart for S/M and S/S.
Game Freak should be able to do better. The should have the resources to do better, the man power to do better, and the talent to do better. Surely many talented people would love to put Pokemon on their resume. How exactly does a Sword Shield situation happen?
Is it though? The 3DS games might technically have less polygons, etc etc, but they make better use of the 3D hardware, environments, etc. than this game does. It's on more powerful hardware, and there are polishes that come with that, but it isn't able to realize its art direction.
This is relevant to discussing the power of the 3DS, not what's on the cart for S/M and S/S.
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Ohmori and masuda should stay out , ohmori is masuda 2.0, huge disappointment. Bring Morimoto back as director
Uh... Morimoto or whoever you choose as director won't change the amount of dev time they have. That's something The Pokémon Company controls.
You should read morimoto's interviews for the gen 4 games. He has a completely opposite mindset than masuda and ohmori, I bet that's the reason he is not given the director position for 3 gen straight. He will definitely bring improvement.
First one I noticed was the hard cutoff of the focus blur on the route sides. And of course the complete lack of anti-aliasing. And the frame rate seems to fluctuate sometimes.
The problem goes beyond giving a pass.
The problem is when people are actually praising the game for its visuals when it's basically a glorified hi res 3DS games, with slightly better textures and effects.
Now of course, it doesn't mean one cant enjoy the games. It doesn't mean it ruins them either. And I still think that people who still want a Pokemon with decent production values should just give up and deal with the fact that it's not a game for them. But on the other hand... Sorry, it looks bad. When I say bad, I mean to say it's not even in the standards of PS360 titles. We're in the league of a 3DS/Wii title in HD. And I think it's also fair to criticize the serie for that.
I agree. Does it make the game bad and un-fun, no, but we should hold them to a much higher standard. If this were some small series I'd cut them more slack, but it's Pokemon!
Yeah I think so. My Switch automatically connects to it for most games like Splatoon/Smash, etc, so I assume that's the case here too.
Poke'mon fans are the solution to which they are the problem. People still will buy the games and have their fun, even if the games are not revolutionary. They're basically junk food. And shit, I'm stuck in the same boat. I usually buy them too. And am never satisfied at the end. Just like with junk food.
The problem is when most reviews falls into the same trap.
The problem with the Pokémon serie isn't only about visuals. It also comes down to content.