i thought that cerny mentioned this in the talk? his "time to triangle" prediction was even lower than ps4
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DF: PS5’s Variable Clocks Will Force Devs to Make Choices; Only 1st Party Will Truly Utilize SSD’s Speed (wccftech)
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The PS5's cooling solution is going to have to be some revolutionary shit to keep the GPU cool and just as importantly keep the overall console quiet. I have no idea how are they going to manage both.
4K/60fps games are going to be some rare shit next-gen. And in any case, of the two companies only Microsoft has put an emphasis on it.
FWIW that difference is enough to translate to a locked 60fps versus 50~fps.
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Discrete cards with fixed specifications in PC's reduce their power considerably when not needed. But it doesn't change the clock speeds.
And the reason heat does not matter, as they stated is they are not exceeding the TDP for the chip, as I mentioned. However nothing comes for free, so if one part needs more power than the other will not have access to it (or the chip has to draw more power to compensate which increases thermals). Therefore you have a variable, boost solution. Both parts will never be at the max specification for more than short periods of time.
Again, if they could fix the frequency at the rate stated, they would.
It really depends on the quality of the api that Sony is providing. But yeah, all of this was expected imo.
I bet Sony's SSD is more expensive then their APU. Possibly noticeably more (which we got hints from in that Bloomberg BoM article).
So no, it will not quite a bit cheaper without taking a large loss.
Not sure why you'd bring current consoles since they quite awful specifically when it comes to draw distance because of the CPU.
Regardless, games next generation will be denser than ever and we'll see how it goes. It's not just the change in clock speed, but also that the CPU is inherently slower in the first place than Series X.
There were also more gamers on PS2 than original Xbox and how did that go for PS3 and Xbox 360? Wii U had 13 million gamers and Switch has 50 million+. Making assumptions based on past is nonsense.
Xbox One X and PS4 Pro were mid gen upgrades. You can't compare that situation to a new gen starting. People do care about BC even more nowadays and Xbox has a huge advantage there: https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-care-much-about-backwards-compatibility.175842/
Talking about audio advantages is ridiculous. 90% gamers use cheap headsets or tv speakers and won't notice any differences in audio. New Xbox has 3D audio too and a fast SSD as well.
You don't even know the prices of PS5 and new Xbox and you are preaching these things like it's all settled. What if MS goes super aggressive and both consoles are $399?
No more then 90% won't noticed a slight advantage in resolution. The ps3 was way too expensive and came a year late. Even longer in Europe. That's why the 360 got them. Nothing to do with a slight power advantage.
If you think the next xbox sells anywhere close to the ps5 next gen you're living in cloud cookoo land. Sony don't have any major fuck ups by the look of. The ps5 is a massive upgrade over the ps4 in many ways and they've the games to back it up.
Hey, I definitely agree with this but you probably quoted wrong post from me?
Xbox One was more expensive too and launched later in tier 2 countries.
Again, you have absolutely no idea how these consoles will be priced. You have no idea how PS5 cooling works for that aggressively overclocked GPU and how much the cooling costs and affects the console price. Hell, you don't even know what the PS5 console looks like and you've seen only one game, Godfall.
But hey, it's all landslide for PS5, right?
Both have way lower memory that would be needed for the generation jump and are relying on the ssd to keep it fed.
Ok, thanks for the more detailed explanation.
However the part about boost mode being for short periods of time doesn't fit with what they said in the presentation.
They said they expected the CPU and GPU to be at the capped frequency "most of the time".
It's a custom GPU so I guess we can't really know, but I think it might be different than standard boost solutions ?
I guess we'll find out soon enough how necessary it is. It does seem strange for Cerny to obsess over it if a lesser SD would be good enough for next-gen, considering everything else in the system seems to be conservative.
Why do not DF (Dark1x etc) call out Sony for what variable frequency REALLY is?
It is a shitty solution in EVERY SINGLE WAY for a console. And seems like a panic move from Sony just reach a higher "theoretical" TF
There is no advantage to this at all (we have no battery life to extend for example)
It is a shitty solution in EVERY SINGLE WAY for a console. And seems like a panic move from Sony just reach a higher "theoretical" TF
There is no advantage to this at all (we have no battery life to extend for example)
What else can he stress though? They are behind X Series X in most metrics specs wise. I mean they even spent time talking about an audio chip. I'm sorry but most ppl don't care. I doubt most ppl even know or cared that Xbox One has a dedicated audio chip and PS4 did not. He just needed something to talk about is what it sounds like to me.
I still think most of the money for the PS5 went to the GPU as even Sony know it is the most important piece of your gaming build.
Sony decision to use variable frequency is baffling. I wonder if devs will run into unforseen issues in the long run.
Nah, rasterization is tied to the ROP count and clocks, and we don't know what the ROP count is of either console yet. If they're both at 64 ROPs for example, then the PS5 will have a 20% increase in rasterization performance compared to XSX.
Previous gen Sony went hard on the rops, PS4 had 32 compared to 16 for XB1, PS4Pro had 64 to the 32 of XB1X. So who knows, all depends on the ROP count.
Sounds like speculation to me, not really stating a fact.
Anyway, still think this talk about "insane ssd speed" is really overblown.
Anyway, still think this talk about "insane ssd speed" is really overblown.
I said shaders are also tied to rasterization, I didn't say that they alone are what as responsible for it. What's feeding the ROPs? What do the ROPs do without shaders? Come on now.
more thinking has lead you to the conclusion that increasing the SSD speeds would only influence miles away LOD?
For those saying that load times will be halved due to the SSD in the PS5 being twice faster, I don't think it works that way, at least not yet.
Plenty of comparison videos out there that show the difference in loading time between an SSD that only reads 550MB/s and one that reads 3.5GB/s (over 6 times faster) and the difference is only about 1 second more or less.
Reminds me of how SLI/NVLink doesn't usually translate to double performance.
Again, this is based on the what we currently have available to test.
Plenty of comparison videos out there that show the difference in loading time between an SSD that only reads 550MB/s and one that reads 3.5GB/s (over 6 times faster) and the difference is only about 1 second more or less.
Reminds me of how SLI/NVLink doesn't usually translate to double performance.
Again, this is based on the what we currently have available to test.
I mean given the SSD solution they put in it is obvious this was one of the main design focuses of the system, as much as the GPU itself. Also, the audio tech is actually allows new things. Some percentage of difference in flops is a modest difference in degree rather than kind. I mean res difference all other things being equal would probably something like 1800p+ versus 2160p...
IMO yes. Sony have satisfied us so much on the ps4. It's been a hell of a gen and they ain't finished yet. FF7, Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2 still to come. Icing on the cake. Their first party games have never been bigger. Microsoft are in a big low since their glory days early on the 360. PlayStation is a true global console xbox too reliant on the UK and US markets. I literally give it no chance of outselling ps5 or even coming close.
The good news is launch ain't far away so we don't have to wait long to see if I'm right. Mark my words, ps5 will be a dominant sales leader over xbox next gen.
Loading will be faster mainly because there will be no need to preload all the data for the next 30 seconds of gameplay into RAM. The linear read speed of SSD is much less relevant here.